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billysboy · 2025-02-09T12:18:15+00:00

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ? you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes Every month that goes by the shortage compounds I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 17:15

nearlylovemyusername · 10/02/2025 17:10

The gov are learning on the job what not to do. Otherwise you get recession

This is the essence of it - Labour aren't learning. They "are prepared to be unpopular". So we will get recession.

I think that's a deflection from don't notice we're failing

@bemoresloth the gov publish numbers weekly, it's as easy for you to google as anyone else

Numbers crossing is all recorded, by week or month

bemoresloth · 10/02/2025 17:10

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 17:06

The numbers are accessible now. Including how many since the GE. They are not hidden.

As much as people are loyal to Labour failure on 'smashing gangs' will see Reform votes go up.

Starmer will struggle on that one.

He'll do mad stuff like film people being deported but it won't help

Why ask if they are accessible now and you have seen them

Do you have link?

nearlylovemyusername · 10/02/2025 17:10

The gov are learning on the job what not to do. Otherwise you get recession

This is the essence of it - Labour aren't learning. They "are prepared to be unpopular". So we will get recession.

nearlylovemyusername · 10/02/2025 17:08

@Catsandcheese

You also need to give the incoming government a bit of time - so far they have increased the minimum wage, looked elsewhere from the ordinary tax payer to find money for necessary spending.

To give them a bit of time to do exactly what? to concrete our green belt? To push AZN to open new manufacturing site in US? To push everyone like Charlie Mullins abroad? to push our young high fliers away? To push unemployment up hence welfare bill up, inflation up, then increase public sector wages again and so raise taxes again? Rinse and repeat?

As to looked elsewhere from the ordinary tax payers - how much was your weekly food shop in October-November last year? How much was it last week? 10% up? my one was about that. I'm an ordinary tax payer and I'm paying for this Labour stupidity already. This 10% increase is precisely because of October budget.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 17:06

The numbers are accessible now. Including how many since the GE. They are not hidden.

As much as people are loyal to Labour failure on 'smashing gangs' will see Reform votes go up.

Starmer will struggle on that one.

He'll do mad stuff like film people being deported but it won't help

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 17:03

So today (so far) in Labour land, they have filmed raids on migrants parading them for tv and click bait. Remind anyone of May's 'hostile environment'? Also another MP has now been suspended for comments on the antisemitic, racist, sexist what's app group.

Meanwhile 'nasty nigel' is at the farmers protest, showing his support and reminding them to protest peacefully.

bemoresloth · 10/02/2025 17:00

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 16:46

All of it yes absolutely

Bumped up 'elite border security', hotels, enforced return rather than voluntary return flights

Many left for ROI voluntarily that will have slowed down

Yes for those who cite Rwanda costs I'd like to see what Labour are spending now

As numbers go up

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You will have to wait for the 24/25 numbers for comparison

https://www.ein.org.uk/news/new-nao-overview-shows-home-office-total-spending-asylum-and-migration-2023-24

New NAO overview shows Home Office total spending on asylum and migration for 2023-24

£4.7 billion spent on asylum support in 2023-24, representing less than 0.5% of all government spending

https://www.ein.org.uk/news/new-nao-overview-shows-home-office-total-spending-asylum-and-migration-2023-24

Parsley1234 · 10/02/2025 16:53

@EasternStandard learning on the job ain’t that the truth 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 16:53

Catsandcheese · 10/02/2025 16:25

Public services need to be paid for, and minimum wage needed increasing after the ridiculous inflation we had been suffering.
Would you rather that our infrastructure collapsed entirely, and that people at the poorer end got no help?
Growth is absolutely needed but there are other things which are also priorities.

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Your first line says it all. Where does the money for public services come from?
They needed to go for growth, then look at higher taxes, not the other way around.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 16:48

Parsley1234 · 10/02/2025 16:27

@Catsandcheese if the wealthy leave as is what’s happening right now noone will be there to provide for the poorer. Even Blair understood that you start fucking about with pensioners private school inheritance farmers the whole picture starts changing really fast

Yep Blair didn't do this. It's been a long time since we've had this kind of rhetoric and policy

The gov are learning on the job what not to do. Otherwise you get recession

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 16:46

bemoresloth · 10/02/2025 16:25

I thought you might be interested @EasternStandard , my mistake

You really think it would cost more than sending zero people to Rwanda (excluding MP's)?

All of it yes absolutely

Bumped up 'elite border security', hotels, enforced return rather than voluntary return flights

Many left for ROI voluntarily that will have slowed down

Yes for those who cite Rwanda costs I'd like to see what Labour are spending now

As numbers go up

crockofshite · 10/02/2025 16:39

Dappy777 · 09/02/2025 14:08

Development has already ruined my village, but I’m sure we can cram a few more disgusting rabbit hutches in. My local woods have been hacked down to make way for a new estate, and a second massive estate has been built at the other end of the village. Now we’ve been told the fields in the centre of the village are going to be built on as well. And will that be enough?! Haha…no, silly, of course it won’t. The main road into town going to have 500 new homes built along it. That road is choked with traffic NOW, so god knows what will happen when an extra 500 cars are added.

I don’t know why we don’t just concrete over the whole of central and southern England and be done with it. I was a fool for working all my life. I thought if I worked hard and saved my money I could have a little house with a scrap of garden and some peace and quiet. I don’t ask for much, just some peace and space and natural beauty. But my reward for working hard and obeying the law is to watch the countryside around me disappear. Sooner or later the field next to me will be built on as well. Looking back, I wish I’d gone into social housing and played the benefit system. I know people like Rayner hate my guts. She hates peoples like me, and so do most lefties. Deep down, it delights them to imagine all us horrible middle-class NIMBYs having our lives ruined.

Left leaning middle classes are quite the thing.

Parsley1234 · 10/02/2025 16:27

@Catsandcheese if the wealthy leave as is what’s happening right now noone will be there to provide for the poorer. Even Blair understood that you start fucking about with pensioners private school inheritance farmers the whole picture starts changing really fast

bemoresloth · 10/02/2025 16:25

I thought you might be interested @EasternStandard , my mistake

You really think it would cost more than sending zero people to Rwanda (excluding MP's)?

Catsandcheese · 10/02/2025 16:25

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 15:06

so far they have increased the minimum wage, looked elsewhere from the ordinary tax payer to find money for necessary spending

But this is causing job losses because they've gone after the very people they need to create wealth and growth. Businesses will not invest or grow in this climate.

Public services need to be paid for, and minimum wage needed increasing after the ridiculous inflation we had been suffering.
Would you rather that our infrastructure collapsed entirely, and that people at the poorer end got no help?
Growth is absolutely needed but there are other things which are also priorities.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 16:18

@bemoresloth that's not a figure on cost

It must be a fortune. Even more than that failing on 'stopping gangs' as pledged will help Reform

bemoresloth · 10/02/2025 16:08

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 15:41

How much is it all costing now?

Labour will lose voters on the 'smash the gangs' policy as it'll fail

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The government’s Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill is being debated in Parliament today,

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 15:52

bemoresloth · 10/02/2025 15:37

He managed to lose the UK £11BILLION by failing to insure huge debt stocks against interest rate hikes'

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Ah well. Thats £11bn less for Ed Miliband to spaff. Have you heard his wind turbine song where he plays his ukulele? Always cheers me up when I need a boost.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 15:41

bemoresloth · 10/02/2025 15:39

The Conservative legacy of the Rwanda plan cost the UK at least £318 million

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How much is it all costing now?

Labour will lose voters on the 'smash the gangs' policy as it'll fail

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 15:40

bemoresloth · 10/02/2025 15:39

The Conservative legacy of the Rwanda plan cost the UK at least £318 million

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Maybe labour should have given it a go, seeing as so much money had already been spent!

bemoresloth · 10/02/2025 15:39

The Conservative legacy of the Rwanda plan cost the UK at least £318 million

bemoresloth · 10/02/2025 15:37

Parsley1234 · 10/02/2025 14:29

@Catsandcheese at least with Sunak you felt he had a grasp on economics

He managed to lose the UK £11BILLION by failing to insure huge debt stocks against interest rate hikes'

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 15:37

Voting intention is a better indicator out of polls. Because it's the vote that counts in the end

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 15:34

Sherbs12 · 10/02/2025 12:26

An interesting poll, for those who are interested, issued today by YouGov.

That's weird isn't it, scratches head.

So Reform are in front of the yougov polls for voting intention, yet those polled prefer Starmer to Farage. How does that work!

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 15:26

taxguru · 10/02/2025 15:15

It;'s that he put in stupidly restrictive rules for genuinely self employed and freelancers with no obvious logic nor reason, but allowed grants and loans to fraudsters without any checks and balances at all. Then more of a travesty was not acknowledging his mistakes, lying in Parliament about it, and not changing his stupidly onerous rules when it was clear that they were unfair and damaging. There were people buying "off the shelf" and second hand limited companies from Ebay, claiming they were genuine businesses with no evidence at all, getting grants and loans which they never had any intention of paying back. Whereas a genuine business that fell foul of one of the many stupid exclusions got bugger all for no fault of their own and those genuine ones who took loans but unable to repay them due to their business collapsing due to covid, are now being hounded and some forced into bankruptcy to repay them.

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Fair enough, and thanks, you make a good argument. I agree that there should have been better checks and balances at the time, but I can also appreciate the unprecedented nature of the situation, and why there wasn't. Sunak's policies were a life safer for us so I suppose i view it through a different lense. I don't think we would have seen any lockdowns at all if Sunak had had his way.