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To liquidate everything when I get to 60 and live in luxury hotels until the cash runs out

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Everythingisnumbersnow · 08/02/2025 10:09

Just thinking who wants to be old anyway plus I really resent the idea of all my money going to dodgy offshore small business owners (aka care home owners).

We'll see how it goes but I'm pretty excited about this.

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Everythingisnumbersnow · 08/02/2025 13:32

rainingsnoring · 08/02/2025 13:31

Those things are to benefit you rather than other people.
If you have the sort of money you appear to be describing, you can pay for private care or choose an early way out as mentioned. You may find that you have a very unpleasant old age otherwise, especially as you have no children.

The tax I pay doesn't benefit me primarily.

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Everythingisnumbersnow · 08/02/2025 13:31

latetothefisting · 08/02/2025 11:45

they've also studiously ignored any questions about the actual costs of their 'assets' and how they translate into 'luxury hotel for 20 plus years' amounts

because the only amount they've actually given, of their projected £30k pension, very much....doesn't

I think I explicitly said 15? I don't intend to exist beyond 75.

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rainingsnoring · 08/02/2025 13:31

Everythingisnumbersnow · 08/02/2025 13:27

I pay thousands for private health and dental. Thousands more in tax. I don't really feel bad.

Those things are to benefit you rather than other people.
If you have the sort of money you appear to be describing, you can pay for private care or choose an early way out as mentioned. You may find that you have a very unpleasant old age otherwise, especially as you have no children.

AquaPeer · 08/02/2025 13:29

westisbest1982 · 08/02/2025 13:26

That’s because you don’t know the details about the deprivation of assets guidelines and I do.

Maybe try chipping away at that rock on your shoulder.

I’m confident you don’t.

Everythingisnumbersnow · 08/02/2025 13:27

CountryCob · 08/02/2025 12:11

I think the issue is as many have said running out of money, especially starting at 60. Seems extremely unrealistic given the figures. Although children don't always help being childless might mean there is no one to assist you so ignoring the inheritance angle - many won't get this anyway - who is helping you arrange the euthunasia? It would only be legal here possibly with a terminal diagnosis. State care is not as nice as private care. Seems a bit irresponsible and entitled not to exect provide for your future care needs.

I pay thousands for private health and dental. Thousands more in tax. I don't really feel bad.

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westisbest1982 · 08/02/2025 13:26

AquaPeer · 08/02/2025 12:53

@westisbest1982 It’s really weird that you are talking to me as though I don’t understand your posts, which are very simplistic therefore unchallenging for the majority.

to boot- I am not conversing with you. All you’ve done is post a link you didn’t read properly

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That’s because you don’t know the details about the deprivation of assets guidelines and I do.

Maybe try chipping away at that rock on your shoulder.

rainingsnoring · 08/02/2025 13:25

Everythingisnumbersnow · 08/02/2025 13:20

There really are not.

Then you can always go to Dignitas. If you want to live like this, that's fine, just don't expect others to pick up the bill for you later.

rainingsnoring · 08/02/2025 13:24

Hwi · 08/02/2025 13:11

It should be shocking/unlawful/unsafe not to have a staff doctor in a facility where so many people are infirm. Yes, I know they die, but presumably some of them might survive beyond 3 months despite the best efforts of personnel?

No care homes have a permanent, resident doctor! It's not shocking or unlawful or unsafe. These people are usually very elderly and frail. They are visited by doctors as necessary. Many residents survive beyond 3 months. You sound extremely uninformed on this topic.

Everythingisnumbersnow · 08/02/2025 13:20

Dotto · 08/02/2025 11:11

There are safe, free pharmacological ways anyone can unalive themselves, if they choose, when the time comes.

There really are not.

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AquaPeer · 08/02/2025 13:16

Hwi · 08/02/2025 13:11

It should be shocking/unlawful/unsafe not to have a staff doctor in a facility where so many people are infirm. Yes, I know they die, but presumably some of them might survive beyond 3 months despite the best efforts of personnel?

There is no need for a staff doctor onsite in a care home and it isn’t unlawful or unsafe not to have one- to the contrary, it’s standard not to.

Where did you get the information that there was a law that a doctor had to be onsite?

they’re care homes, not hospitals. They are set up to care for the infirm. That doesn’t mean they need a doctor available 24/7, it means they (may) need carer support and specialist equipment.

I don’t know what the surviving 3 months things means, sorry. I feel like you are thinking of some other facility rather than care homes.

CountryCob · 08/02/2025 13:14

So many posts keep coming back to the fact that 60-80 if you are lucky will be ok. After that and possibly before it you will most likely not be able to pack up and move around anymore physically. Inflation and spending will dwindle all assets. It is your life so no need for permission but elderly and poor does not sound fun. You can have no idea what the care or social provision will be in a few decades time. Guessing choices will be more limited as that is certainly the trajectory.

Hwi · 08/02/2025 13:11

AquaPeer · 08/02/2025 13:08

I’m confused by your post. It’s completely normal and expected that the vast majority of care homes do not need an onsite doctor- what on earth would you need that level of medical expertise for onsite!?

it’s also perfectly normal for elderly people at the end of their life to die peacefully at home without an ambulance being called (to do what?).
Dying peacefully at home is a common desire, and many hospices offer staff visits to facilitate exactly this. This would be a very common way for care home residents to pass away.

It should be shocking/unlawful/unsafe not to have a staff doctor in a facility where so many people are infirm. Yes, I know they die, but presumably some of them might survive beyond 3 months despite the best efforts of personnel?

CapThem · 08/02/2025 13:09

If your budget is more Margaret Thatcher than Alan Partridge, go for it!

VickyEadieofThigh · 08/02/2025 13:09

Zippea · 08/02/2025 12:26

Some people live on cruise ships, they’ve got food, housing and an element of healthcare on board.

The "element of healthcare" is a doctor and nurse for whom a person has to pay. You'd need a significant travel insurance policy to pay for this and any additional costs (which, if you needed more than perfunctory treatment and perhaps hospital care, transfers, etc might be mind-blowingly expensive).

Fetchthevet · 08/02/2025 13:08

PurpleFlower1983 · 08/02/2025 13:05

Actually most people don’t end up in care homes, they die before they get there.

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Yes - I shouldn't have said most people.

AquaPeer · 08/02/2025 13:08

Hwi · 08/02/2025 12:57

Care homes are a horrendous notion, I can't get my head round the fact that they are run as businesses,. i.e. take, take, take and give you as little as possible in return. I don't know about other countries, but here they do not even have a staff doctor. About 30 years ago I was a student in London and rented privately from a lady, who owned a newsagent's and a few care homes up North. She was thinking of them in 'business terms', saying it was a great 'business', citing examples like 'old people can't even manage a whole sandwich for lunch, costs are minimal'. But one thing I shall never forget, she told me one day she was 'exhausted because she has held an old lady's hand all night because the old dear was on the way 'out'. When I asked why she did not phone the ambulance, she said 'she was on the way out anyway'. I was young and stupid but even then I realised it was not normal for a barely literate lady to decide whether to call the ambulance.
I think that care homes run as a business are more immoral than health service run as a business. These people are beyond vulnerable and they are treated as a means of making money, not dignified human beings.

So I totally agree with you - do whatever, but don't give a penny to a care home in your old age. Surely you don't expect minimum wage staff to give a shit about the people they are supposed to look after?

I’m confused by your post. It’s completely normal and expected that the vast majority of care homes do not need an onsite doctor- what on earth would you need that level of medical expertise for onsite!?

it’s also perfectly normal for elderly people at the end of their life to die peacefully at home without an ambulance being called (to do what?).
Dying peacefully at home is a common desire, and many hospices offer staff visits to facilitate exactly this. This would be a very common way for care home residents to pass away.

Hwi · 08/02/2025 13:08

bignosebignose · 08/02/2025 11:36

Free to read online, just ten pages....

https://fullreads.com/literature/the-lotus-eater/

Disgusting man he was, SM, but what a writer! Thank you so much for the reminder! Have not read him in ages!

PurpleFlower1983 · 08/02/2025 13:05

Fetchthevet · 08/02/2025 11:52

You will eventually get to a stage where you need personal care. Hotel staff will not change you when you are unable to walk to the toilet, obviously. So you will end up in a care home like most of us.

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Actually most people don’t end up in care homes, they die before they get there.

rainingsnoring · 08/02/2025 13:03

Hwi · 08/02/2025 12:57

Care homes are a horrendous notion, I can't get my head round the fact that they are run as businesses,. i.e. take, take, take and give you as little as possible in return. I don't know about other countries, but here they do not even have a staff doctor. About 30 years ago I was a student in London and rented privately from a lady, who owned a newsagent's and a few care homes up North. She was thinking of them in 'business terms', saying it was a great 'business', citing examples like 'old people can't even manage a whole sandwich for lunch, costs are minimal'. But one thing I shall never forget, she told me one day she was 'exhausted because she has held an old lady's hand all night because the old dear was on the way 'out'. When I asked why she did not phone the ambulance, she said 'she was on the way out anyway'. I was young and stupid but even then I realised it was not normal for a barely literate lady to decide whether to call the ambulance.
I think that care homes run as a business are more immoral than health service run as a business. These people are beyond vulnerable and they are treated as a means of making money, not dignified human beings.

So I totally agree with you - do whatever, but don't give a penny to a care home in your old age. Surely you don't expect minimum wage staff to give a shit about the people they are supposed to look after?

I understand what you are saying and the woman's comments sound very distasteful. However, it would be totally inappropriate to call an ambulance for an elderly person who was expected to die. Paramedics and doctors can't stop people dying, death is a normal part of life. It sounds as if this woman did care about her resident, enough to be up with her the whole night holding her hand.
I'm not sure if you have ever spent time in care homes because you are wrong to suppose that none of the staff 'give a shit'. That's a horrible assumption to make and incorrect.

UseOfWeapons · 08/02/2025 13:02

SerendipityJane · 08/02/2025 10:26

You may want to read "The Lotus Eater" by Somerset Maugham ....

Fabulous story! Love Somerset Maugham! Sorry, OP, didn’t mean to derail!

Strawberriesandpears · 08/02/2025 13:02

Bubblyb00b · 08/02/2025 12:23

What I meant is "no children or family around".

This is sadly what some of us face and through no real fault of our own. I am an only child, no children (not by choice) and no wider family (nieces, nephews etc). It's a terrifying situation to be in.

PurpleFlower1983 · 08/02/2025 13:01

VickyEadieofThigh · 08/02/2025 11:49

But the point is that people only go into a care home when they have care needs that cannot be met in their homes. I've been on a lot of cruises and can assure everyone that whilst they provide your food and service your room for you, they do not provide the sort of support you go into a care home for.

No of course not, in this case the wife has care needs, the husband currently is ok. He cares for her, and they do receive a little special treatment because they are known to the crew. All their family live around Southampton so they meet at a local pub for the afternoon when the ship docks.

One day this won’t be sustainable but for now it is and I think it’s great way to spend retirement!

Needhelp101 · 08/02/2025 12:59

bignosebignose · 08/02/2025 11:36

Free to read online, just ten pages....

https://fullreads.com/literature/the-lotus-eater/

Just derailing to say thank you @bignosebignose for introducing me to a new author. Reminded me of Daphne du Maurice who I love.
As you were...

rainingsnoring · 08/02/2025 12:59

Everythingisnumbersnow · 08/02/2025 11:07

I would be very happy to take euthanasia instead but society doesn't want me to have access to it so... Guess I don't feel too bad either way.

As above, if my money was going to a good system where profits were reinvested I would support that. But I have done accountancy for care homes and imo they're disgusting bandits and I don't want to pay for their swimming pools.

You do know that 'the state' means other, younger, poorer tax payers who haven't the money to spend 20 years living in luxury hotels right? I dare say these people would object to funding yourself on a moral basis, just as you object to funding care home companies.

You can spend your money on whatever you like but don't expect others to pick up for the tab for your old age care. If you have issues with care homes, pay for someone to care for you at home privately or arrange to go to Switzerland. Take some responsibility for yourself. There should be no care available from the state, and may well not be in the future, for people who deliberately deprive themselves of assets.

Hwi · 08/02/2025 12:57

Care homes are a horrendous notion, I can't get my head round the fact that they are run as businesses,. i.e. take, take, take and give you as little as possible in return. I don't know about other countries, but here they do not even have a staff doctor. About 30 years ago I was a student in London and rented privately from a lady, who owned a newsagent's and a few care homes up North. She was thinking of them in 'business terms', saying it was a great 'business', citing examples like 'old people can't even manage a whole sandwich for lunch, costs are minimal'. But one thing I shall never forget, she told me one day she was 'exhausted because she has held an old lady's hand all night because the old dear was on the way 'out'. When I asked why she did not phone the ambulance, she said 'she was on the way out anyway'. I was young and stupid but even then I realised it was not normal for a barely literate lady to decide whether to call the ambulance.
I think that care homes run as a business are more immoral than health service run as a business. These people are beyond vulnerable and they are treated as a means of making money, not dignified human beings.

So I totally agree with you - do whatever, but don't give a penny to a care home in your old age. Surely you don't expect minimum wage staff to give a shit about the people they are supposed to look after?