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Difficulties with colleagues

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Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 09:41

To feel like a complete outsider at work. Smallish team all women of late 40s/50s. I'm slightly younger. I accept that I don't have much in common with them but I am really ostracised by them and the manager who is also female and similar age to others and good friends with 2 of them. When I first started one of the original ogs accused me of something I didn't do and even though witnesses came forward to put her right, she kept escalating abd escalating the situation until mediators had to be involved and she was given a warning by hr.

Manager took her side and made me feel like I was cracking up, accusing me of causing trouble and trying to force me to apologise to my accuser which I refused to do as i hadnt done anything wrong. Looking back I think this was a mistake as I was seen as a problem and a trouble maker as the manager wouldn't acknowledge that I was falsely accused.
Now the women including manager go out for lunch without me, are going on holiday together (I overheard them talking about it) and generally making me feel like shit. I've tried to build bridges by being friendly etc but it seems that one after the other, they seem to have a problem with me until im at the point when I feel sick at the thought of going into work. My confidence has gone and although on the surface they are mostly polite to me, I see them giving me the side eye and smirking at each other. For various reasons, I can't leave the job at the moment but I do need some tips or suggestions on how to not let this get to me.

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Christmassoxs · 08/02/2025 11:15

The colleague who was bitching and when you pulled them up about it started screaming and crying, I must admit made me laugh. She for one sounds a bit of a fruit loop As for the rest bitching about each other then going on holiday together...well words fail me.
I left this weird toxic bunch yesterday.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 08/02/2025 11:10

Hi OP

There isn't an easy way to not let bullying affect you. Because they are bullying you. It's awful that they have ostracised someone for asking someone to stop them slagging off a colleague. Its good you've upset the team dynamics of bitching and backstabbing, those dynamics need changing!

I agree don't engage, don't get drawn in to any arguments or give opinions, stay non committal and try and leave if it doesn't get better.

Cattery · 08/02/2025 11:04

Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 10:15

Yes

Sorry to hear what you’re dealing with. I have years of experience working in the public sector; central government and police. Managers manage no one because they don’t know how to. Nothing is done about bullying as long as it’s not them being bullied. They’ll throw anyone to the wolves including each other. No complaint will progress because they’ll sweep it under the carpet. They make up their own rules. Last place I worked they cracked on like the pandemic wasn’t even a thing and anyone who made a fuss about safety protocol was forced to resign. Toxic

Busywithsomething · 08/02/2025 11:00

@Ereerenownow I hope you don't get your hopes up by the thought of the elderly one retiring . I know sometimes a change in staff brings a new dynamic but the others could still be set in their original unkind ways. All the best 🙂

lemongrizzly · 08/02/2025 10:58

For example, if you don’t want people to gossip to you then just be a really unsatisfying audience. Say you need to get on and turn back to your work.

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lemongrizzly · 08/02/2025 10:58

Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 10:43

Well she was slagging this lady off to me..not sure what else I should have done

There are more neutral ways to shut people down, though. Just to be clear: this situation sucks and I’m sorry you’re in it. But you really do need to pick your battles to get through it.

SlapTheMelon · 08/02/2025 10:57

Women can be cliquey compared to men and you're definitely on the outside now. Put emotion aside, get on with your work, AND do not try to befriend that group. And job hunt!

ilovesooty · 08/02/2025 10:56

Finella12 · 08/02/2025 10:45

Yeah a grievance. that’ll fix it….😕

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If she's being bullied at work it's an option open to her.

And unlike so many others I wouldn't have just ignored the conversations I heard either.

Nanny0gg · 08/02/2025 10:53

Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 10:03

I'm so sorry this happened to you. I've considered counselling as I'm so floored by it all.
I keep receiving emails from manager about how I'm upsetting team dynamics but I honestly don't believe I'm doing anything wrong other than refusing to join in with the drama. Maybe I am the problem, I don't know, I think I need to talk to a counsellor. I hope you are well x

Surely that needs to be taken to HR?

You're clearly being bullied

No union, I suppose?

Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 10:52

Redburnett · 08/02/2025 10:46

Try and have something outside work to look forward to at the end of each day, something that will keep you busy and distract you from thinking about work too much. eg meet friend for coffee, go swimming, gym, country walk, join evening class etc etc. When in work can you escape the office from time to time (long toilet break - do a few exercises while you're in there (perhaps develop IBS to justify the time), idle at the printer/photocopier if in another room. Are you allowed to wear earphones and listen to music? But the bottom line is you do need to find another workplace.

Yes I can get away for a break every hour and we are allowed to wear headphones so I will start listening to podcasts etc.

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Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 10:51

MissDeborah · 08/02/2025 10:48

By stepping in you are entering the "game"
Look up Transactional analysis persecutor, victim, rescuer

You don't need to rescue others
Just say something neutral to close down the conversation-done
Them slagging off-you rescue and report- high drama-they thrive on drama, it's like oxygen to these people

Them- blah blah colleague blah
You- I've got to get on now
End conversation

Fair enough, I see where you are coming from

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Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 10:34

I never thought that people can do as they wish...not when it badly affects others. The person they were slagging off is an amazing woman who works hard and is always a positive influence in the department. Just didn't seem right and she would gave been devastated knowing she was being talked about like that

By stepping in you are entering the "game"
Look up Transactional analysis persecutor, victim, rescuer

You don't need to rescue others
Just say something neutral to close down the conversation-done
Them slagging off-you rescue and report- high drama-they thrive on drama, it's like oxygen to these people

Them- blah blah colleague blah
You- I've got to get on now
End conversation

Runoutofmilk · 08/02/2025 10:47

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Redburnett · 08/02/2025 10:46

Try and have something outside work to look forward to at the end of each day, something that will keep you busy and distract you from thinking about work too much. eg meet friend for coffee, go swimming, gym, country walk, join evening class etc etc. When in work can you escape the office from time to time (long toilet break - do a few exercises while you're in there (perhaps develop IBS to justify the time), idle at the printer/photocopier if in another room. Are you allowed to wear earphones and listen to music? But the bottom line is you do need to find another workplace.

Finella12 · 08/02/2025 10:45

ilovesooty · 08/02/2025 10:19

I think in view of the fact that there's already been mediation in your favour I'd consider a formal grievance. This sounds like workplace bullying. Are you in a union? Does your company have access to counselling through occupational health or a self referral facility?

I'd be looking for another job. Also, if you intend to pursue this, forward emails you've received to your personal email, or print them out and keep them.

Yeah a grievance. that’ll fix it….😕

Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 10:43

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Well she was slagging this lady off to me..not sure what else I should have done

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lemongrizzly · 08/02/2025 10:37

I think you need to job hunt and also pick your battles. You’re not unreasonable to want them not to talk about others etc but you’re not going to get anywhere by calling them out.

Think this is true. We're in the office all day every day together so I do need to zone it all out. I'm not fussed on music but I might start listening to talking books while I work so I can't hear them

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booft · 08/02/2025 10:39

This is called mobbing. Mobbing is a specific type of bullying.

Are you in a union? Even if you don't I think you still have access to Employee Assistance Service and can have legal advice (but not representation) and counselling.

www.setfords.co.uk/2022/01/14/mobbing-in-the-workplace-your-questions-answered/#:~:text=Mobbing%20involves%20a%20group%20of,to%20bully%20a%20co%2Dworker.

Finella12 · 08/02/2025 10:38

Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 10:34

I never thought that people can do as they wish...not when it badly affects others. The person they were slagging off is an amazing woman who works hard and is always a positive influence in the department. Just didn't seem right and she would gave been devastated knowing she was being talked about like that

Yeah ok that’s all very admirable but it’s not up to you to police what they talk about. I’d be irritated with you too.

Someone really close to me has issues with everyone they work with. There is a common denominator. But she can’t see it.

Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 10:37

Busywithsomething · 08/02/2025 10:35

Sorry to read this OP. Sadly some women are just awful to other women .
If you've been there a year now I can understand you looking for another job. . that is probably for the best. Meanwhile I think you have to brazen it out. In public you try to kill them with kindness. Be polite, considerate and respectful. When they go low, you go high. All the while you keep your head down and concentrate on getting away from the crazy meanie -pants women you're currently stuck with. Good luck.

Thank you. It seems sad, as there aren't tons of women in this sector so not sure why we can't support each other. The oldest one is nearing 60 and said she might retire this year. This could bring in a fresh face which could be good.

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lemongrizzly · 08/02/2025 10:37

I think you need to job hunt and also pick your battles. You’re not unreasonable to want them not to talk about others etc but you’re not going to get anywhere by calling them out.

Busywithsomething · 08/02/2025 10:35

Sorry to read this OP. Sadly some women are just awful to other women .
If you've been there a year now I can understand you looking for another job. . that is probably for the best. Meanwhile I think you have to brazen it out. In public you try to kill them with kindness. Be polite, considerate and respectful. When they go low, you go high. All the while you keep your head down and concentrate on getting away from the crazy meanie -pants women you're currently stuck with. Good luck.

Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 10:34

MissDeborah · 08/02/2025 10:32

Tbf she has a point
They can do as they wish and you can't control others behaviour.
Keep out of things that don't involve you

I never thought that people can do as they wish...not when it badly affects others. The person they were slagging off is an amazing woman who works hard and is always a positive influence in the department. Just didn't seem right and she would gave been devastated knowing she was being talked about like that

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