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Difficulties with colleagues

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Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 09:41

To feel like a complete outsider at work. Smallish team all women of late 40s/50s. I'm slightly younger. I accept that I don't have much in common with them but I am really ostracised by them and the manager who is also female and similar age to others and good friends with 2 of them. When I first started one of the original ogs accused me of something I didn't do and even though witnesses came forward to put her right, she kept escalating abd escalating the situation until mediators had to be involved and she was given a warning by hr.

Manager took her side and made me feel like I was cracking up, accusing me of causing trouble and trying to force me to apologise to my accuser which I refused to do as i hadnt done anything wrong. Looking back I think this was a mistake as I was seen as a problem and a trouble maker as the manager wouldn't acknowledge that I was falsely accused.
Now the women including manager go out for lunch without me, are going on holiday together (I overheard them talking about it) and generally making me feel like shit. I've tried to build bridges by being friendly etc but it seems that one after the other, they seem to have a problem with me until im at the point when I feel sick at the thought of going into work. My confidence has gone and although on the surface they are mostly polite to me, I see them giving me the side eye and smirking at each other. For various reasons, I can't leave the job at the moment but I do need some tips or suggestions on how to not let this get to me.

OP posts:
heyhopotato · 08/02/2025 12:34

thepariscrimefiles · 08/02/2025 12:25

OP doesn't want to be friends with these awful people. She just wants them to be polite and professional, particularly the manager.

and a grievance will just mean they resent her and talk about about her more and make her life more difficult.

RosesAndHellebores · 08/02/2025 12:28

You are in a toxic team and it's wrong and it's vile. However you won't change it so sharpen up your CV and move on. They exist and too often comprise all women teams.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/02/2025 12:25

heyhopotato · 08/02/2025 12:08

it will just get recorded somewhere and ignored, and it will get the backs of the colleagues up, the OP isn't going to magically be invited on the next holiday and swan off into the sunset with them.

OP doesn't want to be friends with these awful people. She just wants them to be polite and professional, particularly the manager.

GCAcademic · 08/02/2025 12:24

This isn't going to get better and your mental health is only going to get worse. Forget a grievance. Look for another job, and then you can think about a constructive dismissal case once you're on the outside.

Nomorecoconutboosts · 08/02/2025 12:24

There are ways of addressing gossip etc and ime ‘challenging’ or calling people out isn’t that effective and just plays into the drama.
If you really feel you have no option but to highlight it, then raise it to your manager or their manager as part of a one to one.
However I’d suggest rising above it as best you can. Do your work, smile pleasantly , have a selection of small talk that if necessary you can use if the conversation is bitching about someone else. Calmly wander off if you think you might get drawn into it. If A asks or comments directly about her so called friends B or C, and it’s unpleasant then again have some useful phrases to hand, ‘oh really, that’s sad to hear, I’ve always found her to be very professional’.
Be bland, calm, professional.
be self aware

heyhopotato · 08/02/2025 12:08

thepariscrimefiles · 08/02/2025 12:03

Well it might do if it is resolved in favour of OP who is clearly being excluded by all her colleagues. Toxic workplace behaviour should be challenged.

it will just get recorded somewhere and ignored, and it will get the backs of the colleagues up, the OP isn't going to magically be invited on the next holiday and swan off into the sunset with them.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/02/2025 12:03

Finella12 · 08/02/2025 10:45

Yeah a grievance. that’ll fix it….😕

Edited

Well it might do if it is resolved in favour of OP who is clearly being excluded by all her colleagues. Toxic workplace behaviour should be challenged.

MyDeftDuck · 08/02/2025 12:03

I learned a very long time ago that work colleagues are NOT friends. We had a new female on our team during the time that I was having a very bad time at home. I always kept my home life and work separate but the situation was really upsetting me to the point that I actually looked ill. One particular day, the new person noticed and taking me aside she said she could tell something was wrong and I could trust her if she wanted to talk. BIG MISTAKE! I confided in her and found out three days later that she had shared my problems with other employees, one of which was so appalled he rang me and told me what she had done.

All hell broke loose but I was labelled the 'bad person' because I spoke out about her breach in confidence and made her cry! I wanted to fg kill her to be honest! I never trusted anyone again after that.

Start looking for a new job - these people aren't your friends and those that do associate together outside work only do so as they have a fear of missing out and think that others will be talking about them.

sandrapinchedmysandwich · 08/02/2025 12:03

MrsMoastyToasty · 08/02/2025 10:15

They must be a sad case if they go on holiday with colleagues. (Basically people they're paid to be with). Don't they have any friends?
I started looking for a new job when a manager clearly had favourites. Life is too short.

Don't be ridiculous. Although the behaviour in this situation is clearly not ok, it is not 'sad' to develop good friendships at work, as indeed the op has in a past job. We often make friends initially based on some shared circumstances whether that's school, work, a hobby or having children of the same age. Some of my best friends I met at work. Yes we do sometimes holiday together and no that is not sad.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/02/2025 12:00

Finella12 · 08/02/2025 10:38

Yeah ok that’s all very admirable but it’s not up to you to police what they talk about. I’d be irritated with you too.

Someone really close to me has issues with everyone they work with. There is a common denominator. But she can’t see it.

A mediator was involved and OP's colleague was given a warning by HR so the colleague's behaviour obviously violated the company's code of conduct.

heyhopotato · 08/02/2025 11:59

Why is it you say you can't get another job? I wouldn't stay in a place like that personally.

Spend far too many hours of our lives working to be in a workplace that's not nice.

godmum56 · 08/02/2025 11:52

saraclara · 08/02/2025 10:17

Then you really need to tune out of the office gossip. It's not down to you to police it, however much you might want to, and feel it right to do so.

Your mistake was in challenging this person when you were a newbie. If you're going to step in in that way, it's only possible and productive if you are very well established, well liked, and preferably a layer above in the hierarchy.

Seriously, just put your head down and work, and tune out of any conversation that isn't directly to do with the task that you're doing.

This. Go to work, do your job and go home again.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 08/02/2025 11:52

Look for another job. in the meantime buy some ear defenders to wear or listen to classical music and pretend they’re not there.

Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 11:50

Thank you everyone for your responses. Perhaps I did over step when I challenged but the manager was part of the conversation and said nothing to stop it. I wasn't trying to be an arse or a hero I just genuinely thought it wasn't a good thing for someone to be slating another person like that. Totally get what people are saying about keeping my head down but if we all did that then what would the workplace be like? I know I'll never be part of their clique and I think I'm making peace with that. I kinda just want a quiet life and enjoy my work, my hobbies (im part of an arts group) and my hubby.

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anonymoususer9876 · 08/02/2025 11:50

Some on here saying it's none of your business @Ereerenownow when you see this happening and calling it out; honestly we should all aspire to be better and call out nastiness, not keep our heads down and just be bystanders.

Bullying is never OK, no matter who is doing it or how old you are. Bullying affects people so deeply it leaves them traumatised and in some cases suicidal.

dottydodah · 08/02/2025 11:46

They sound deadful! I am so pleased I am no longer working.(late 50s) Workplace bullying is the worst.I really would look elsewhere ,Bosses are supposed to be calm and impartial they sound horrendous.Sounds like they are very similar.

OverthinkingOlive · 08/02/2025 11:40

Pack mentality, some people never grow up it really is pathetic and it's women like this who give us all a bad name.

Agree how sad to have to go on holiday with a bunch of work colleagues. Be glad you're not like them and try to get out ASAP. Sorry you're going through this OP.

suburburban · 08/02/2025 11:36

I just did some training at work online and they encouraged staff to call out behaviour like OP described.

OOH it's better just to keep your head down, I have a colleague who is difficult and unkind.

Sorry you are going through this OP

SpringBunnyHopHop · 08/02/2025 11:35

I would be looking to leave asap and then on my last day I would be laughing while giving them a few home truths about all the bitching they do behind each others backs.

willowbrookmanor · 08/02/2025 11:31

You don’t deserve this treatment in the work place.

However, you have overstepped.

They are established colleagues and friends.

Therefore, they know what each other is like and although it’s not ok to be unkind about colleagues, it’s outside of remit to try and manage this.

TheAmusedQuail · 08/02/2025 11:30

Just adding to say, the last time I went through this, I also had a male boss who sort of vaguely oversaw my direct line manager and all of our work, and HE knew I was a good worker, so my manager's influence wasn't unlimited.

TheAmusedQuail · 08/02/2025 11:29

I've worked in environments like this. You have to keep your head down and focus on doing a brilliant job, in your work. It is shite, I admit, but we all have to cope in work situations at times where there is bullying (I'm not saying it's right, BUT if the manager is on their side, you're limited in what you can do).

Good work will always eventually over ride being in the in crowd. BUT it's a nightmare living through it.

Ereerenownow · 08/02/2025 11:22

CorsicaDreaming · 08/02/2025 11:20

@Ereerenownow

"Well she was slagging this lady off to me..not sure what else I should have done."

For what it's worth, I think you did the right thing – although a very brave thing given how much grief these others are giving you.

I'm also the type of person who just cannot stand by and see injustice done / good people bad mouthed and will stand up for what I think is right, even if it means ending up the odd one out.

So I just want to say well done for what you did And good luck for the future. I hope this newer nice male boss takes over and the dynamic may change completely if this other woman retires. It does sound a really difficult environment at the moment. If you think there's a very real prospective that within a timeframe you can manage, it will change, might be worth sticking it out.

Also, would it be worth going to talk to that potential new male boss now and explain the problems in confidence and see what he can do behind the scenes? But you probably don't want to raise your head above the parapet any more than you have already so ask him for a confidential meeting

That's a nice idea, I've known this man distantly for years and he really does seem like a nice chap. I think the boss will leave soon so a chat with him could be a good idea but I will ve careful about what I say xx

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LBFseBrom · 08/02/2025 11:22

Unless there is more to it than we read here, I have to say they sound very cliquey and unprofessional.

I would not stay in that working environment and suggest you look for another job.

CorsicaDreaming · 08/02/2025 11:20

@Ereerenownow

"Well she was slagging this lady off to me..not sure what else I should have done."

For what it's worth, I think you did the right thing – although a very brave thing given how much grief these others are giving you.

I'm also the type of person who just cannot stand by and see injustice done / good people bad mouthed and will stand up for what I think is right, even if it means ending up the odd one out.

So I just want to say well done for what you did And good luck for the future. I hope this newer nice male boss takes over and the dynamic may change completely if this other woman retires. It does sound a really difficult environment at the moment. If you think there's a very real prospective that within a timeframe you can manage, it will change, might be worth sticking it out.

Also, would it be worth going to talk to that potential new male boss now and explain the problems in confidence and see what he can do behind the scenes? But you probably don't want to raise your head above the parapet any more than you have already so ask him for a confidential meeting