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To give consequences to daughter for waking the baby

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sleptlikeababydidnt · 08/02/2025 08:49

I'm probably just tired but dd is 7 and is constantly waking 4 month baby up either by bursting in our room to ask something when we've just put him down despite being told not to come in our room while we settle him or by raising her voice and waking him when he's napping, it's getting beyond a joke.
We have a 5 year old who manages to keep her voice down and not wake the baby who also doesn't come in our room when asked not to.

Aibu to give consequences for waking the baby or is that a step too far and I just need sleep?

OP posts:
Oioisavaloy27 · 09/02/2025 19:29

A family member has 3 children, an older boy completely ignored him then the six year old mother absolutely cherished her then the baby came along mother dropped the 6 year old like a hot potato and absolutely cherished the baby now all three children have mental health issues would you believe?

Taigabread · 09/02/2025 19:17

IroningBoardAgainstTheWall · 08/02/2025 14:09

She is telling them that.

Because the 7 yo needs the mums attention
The baby needs the mums attention.

And she is being told very clearly that the baby's needs are more important. This isn't happening in isolation. This is the symptom of a child that feels like she isn't getting enough attention, all because if the baby, which is being reinforced by the mum going "baby needs me more than you"

Edited

But if you swap things over and give in to her then you are saying baby's needs (sleep) come second to her want for attention from mummy. That's equally unfair? Why does the new baby come second to their sibling?
OP cannot be in two places at once.

Recognising that a very new baby is more vulnerable than a 7 year old is not 'putting the baby first' it is recognising that a 7 year old is more able to wait to have their needs met, than a new baby can wait. If baby has to wait to be settled to sleep they will rapidly become overtired and harder to settle. A 7 year old should be perfectly capable of waiting 5 minutes for her mum to be available.

I'd also argue that the 7 year olds 'need' for her mums attention is not, in that moment, a need, but a want. She needs her mums attention but she does not actually need it right that moment!!

Lulu49 · 09/02/2025 18:45

Why are you both settling the baby down to sleep?

Sennelier1 · 09/02/2025 18:42

I think a 7 year old is easily old enough to understand you need like 15 minutes alone with the baby with no noise or other distraction. Right, she needs you too, but at her age she can manage a few minutes without you - unless the house is on fire - and especially if you explained why. I suspect your oldest isn't too happy about the new baby and now tries and make you feel guilty. Has she trouble sharing you with the 5-year old as well? Don't let her do that, and don't give in. Just continue settling baby as you do now, and if she bursts into the room gently tell her to go downstairs. Then when baby is asleep go ask her what was so urgent, make her see she's in the wrong. I wouldn't punish her, but let her feel you feel very unhappy about her not doing as asked.

IroningBoardAgainstTheWall · 09/02/2025 18:35

BettyBardMacDonald · 09/02/2025 18:12

A newborn and an infant aren't quite the same thing.

Does the 7 year old defy instructions, loudly interrupt others and clamor for attention at school? I doubt it. She is choosing to be disruptive at home, and this behaviour should be curbed.

Oh sort your self out.

Loads of kids are perfect at school and let it all out at home.
You're saying that small children aren't allowed to express negative emotions and not giving them the tools to deal with it, not acknowledging that perhaps they are allowed to feel this way.

She's 7 so is getting her mums attention away from baby back to her, and its working. Which suggests she's not feeling quite as wanted as before, and all because the mum and dad are prioritising the baby over her, probably in all parts if her life.

IroningBoardAgainstTheWall · 09/02/2025 18:31

BettyBardMacDonald · 09/02/2025 18:15

The baby's needs ARE more important, at least at this stage. A 7-year-old should understand this, even if she doesn't like it. Billions of children have had to realize that infants take up their parents' time and attention. That's life.

It so interesting there's people that want their direct needs are more immediate and need dealing with "right now".

But an older child's need to feel included and equal are just as important, even if not in that exact moment of feeding baby.

This won't be the only behaviour the child is displaying in regards to this issue., it's just the one OP notices most.

lou123456789 · 09/02/2025 18:28

Your poor 7 year old. Just because you have a new baby doesn’t mean you aren’t her parent anymore, she probably wants you more than ever right now and you’re considering punishing her for it.

H0210zero · 09/02/2025 18:23

Sorry but baby Needs to get used to having 2 older siblings. Kids won't pussy foot around a baby all the time. I grew up with 4 older siblings and two younger. The house was always noisy sometimes babies got woken but they soon adjusted. Giving her consequences will just make her feel isolated and she will see baby as a rival for your affection and may not accept them easily leading to bullying etc. Remember your DF was there before either of her siblings and suddenly she is having not just 1 but 2 others to share her affection with.

PeloMom · 09/02/2025 18:18

Step wayyy too far. One way or another baby will get their sleep and won’t remember any of it. On the other hand your daughter will always remember how you pushed her aside.

BettyBardMacDonald · 09/02/2025 18:15

The baby's needs ARE more important, at least at this stage. A 7-year-old should understand this, even if she doesn't like it. Billions of children have had to realize that infants take up their parents' time and attention. That's life.

starsinthedarksky · 09/02/2025 18:14

BettyBardMacDonald · 09/02/2025 18:12

A newborn and an infant aren't quite the same thing.

Does the 7 year old defy instructions, loudly interrupt others and clamor for attention at school? I doubt it. She is choosing to be disruptive at home, and this behaviour should be curbed.

She’s a child with a new sibling who obviously needs more attention than they’re getting. Why are they leaving a child downstairs alone to put the baby to bed? Of course the child is going to follow you up and use any excuse they can? That’s on the parent, not the child.

BettyBardMacDonald · 09/02/2025 18:12

starsinthedarksky · 09/02/2025 17:42

Would you punish the baby for waking up the 7 year old?

A newborn and an infant aren't quite the same thing.

Does the 7 year old defy instructions, loudly interrupt others and clamor for attention at school? I doubt it. She is choosing to be disruptive at home, and this behaviour should be curbed.

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 09/02/2025 18:07

IroningBoardAgainstTheWall · 08/02/2025 14:09

She is telling them that.

Because the 7 yo needs the mums attention
The baby needs the mums attention.

And she is being told very clearly that the baby's needs are more important. This isn't happening in isolation. This is the symptom of a child that feels like she isn't getting enough attention, all because if the baby, which is being reinforced by the mum going "baby needs me more than you"

Edited

She's trying to get the baby to sleep.
It's hardly showing that the baby is more important than the 7yr old. It's getting the baby into a sleep schedule which is important.

@sleptlikeababydidnt
I agree with others that maybe DC1 could get involved with babies bedtime. Encouraging the quietness in a positive light and then you two can have a little time for something afterwards. Like a mum and (name) reading time before she goes to bed.

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 09/02/2025 17:59

sleptlikeababydidnt · 08/02/2025 09:01

It's mainly that she is asked not to come in our room where baby sleeps and yet still finds an excuse to or she'll knock loudly and won't stop until she's answered even after we tell her to go downstairs for a minute.

It's jealousy, plain and simple.
She wants attention.
She's already had to share you once with DC2 and now there's a new little person who needs more attention and she's struggling to adjust.
I'm going on how my firstborn was, it may not be the same but I've a gut feeling that it's what it is

starsinthedarksky · 09/02/2025 17:42

Would you punish the baby for waking up the 7 year old?

Mere1 · 09/02/2025 07:26

Moonnstars · 08/02/2025 20:14

'Generally' and 'both do bedtime but not necessarily together' suggests there are times when you are both involved with the baby as otherwise you would be saying one of us always watches the other children while one parent puts the baby down. As you are both involved in babies bedtime at some point this could seem like you are prioritising the baby. The 5 year old is perhaps not seeing themselves as being pushed out as much as the 7 year old who is older and has already gone through this once before. Your tolerance of the 7 year old being older might also be different as you think they should be able to behave better.
You need to get them involved. Rather than pushing them out of the bedroom get them to help put the baby down and settle them. They might soon get bored of this but will see that they are still important. At the moment being told to go away is rejecting them and if you punish them for interrupting the babies bedtime this will just confirm their thoughts.

This is excellent advice.

littlekipling · 08/02/2025 21:40

Could you find a way to give her an important role in settling him? Make her feel part of it. Ask her to read him a short story then kiss him goodnight and she can either sit quietly whilst you finish off getting him asleep and you both walk out together or she agrees to meet you back downstairs when you're done. She might not burst in if she's given permission to be there and part of it?

berksandbeyond · 08/02/2025 21:11

@Sunholidays children who are suddenly expected to no longer behave like children because they've been replaced with another smaller one

Sunholidays · 08/02/2025 21:06

berksandbeyond · 08/02/2025 19:23

It's not your 7 years fault that you've had so many children and she's now expected to be so grown up.

I've seen kids like this, it rarely ends well. They usually grow up far too fast

Eh? "Children like this"? you mean with younger siblings?

Vettrianofan · 08/02/2025 21:02

I've got 4. Get your 7yo to read a story to the baby. Get her involved. Make her feel included.

BettyBardMacDonald · 08/02/2025 20:27

pictoosh · 08/02/2025 08:52

Your baby isn't your 7 year old's responsibility. I understand how frustrating this must be...but you're asking her to quell her natural childish personality and impulses. Your 5 year old is better at it but they are different children.
Remind her by all means but don't punish her...she won't be doing it deliberately.

My thoughts.

Nonsense. Everyone in the family is responsible for being courteous and considerate of others. The child is well old enough to control herself.

Moonnstars · 08/02/2025 20:14

sleptlikeababydidnt · 08/02/2025 09:20

When I say "we" I generally mean one of us, either myself or Dh. We both do bedtime but not necessarily together.
There's not always another adult around as sometimes Dh is at work.

'Generally' and 'both do bedtime but not necessarily together' suggests there are times when you are both involved with the baby as otherwise you would be saying one of us always watches the other children while one parent puts the baby down. As you are both involved in babies bedtime at some point this could seem like you are prioritising the baby. The 5 year old is perhaps not seeing themselves as being pushed out as much as the 7 year old who is older and has already gone through this once before. Your tolerance of the 7 year old being older might also be different as you think they should be able to behave better.
You need to get them involved. Rather than pushing them out of the bedroom get them to help put the baby down and settle them. They might soon get bored of this but will see that they are still important. At the moment being told to go away is rejecting them and if you punish them for interrupting the babies bedtime this will just confirm their thoughts.

Eenameenadeeka · 08/02/2025 19:59

I've been in this exact situation and I definitely wouldn't punish. I know it's so frustrating when they wake the baby but I agree with the others that you need to make sure they don't feel pushed out. I'd try and make sure you get lots of quality time together when you aren't trying to get baby down, like if baby is laying on the floor do something with the other children and then when it is sleep time, tell them once you have put baby down you will play together - maybe she can set something up while you're getting baby down? I understand how frustrating it is but punishment will only make her feel worse and make this situation worse.

berksandbeyond · 08/02/2025 19:23

It's not your 7 years fault that you've had so many children and she's now expected to be so grown up.

I've seen kids like this, it rarely ends well. They usually grow up far too fast

Quercus3 · 08/02/2025 17:12

Simonjt · 08/02/2025 08:55

Surely the person parenting the seven year old should be the one stopping her going inti the bedroom? We didn’t expect our son to be quieter when his sister was a baby, not only is that not realistic, but it would have also taught him that he came second to his sister if we had gone down that route, which is a guaranteed way to make a child feel isolated, worthless and no longer a full member of the family.

Depends how you frame it I guess, I taught my daughter to be quiet whilst I put the baby down because then we'd be able to have uninterrupted play time for a bit. She was 2 when he was born, she got it!

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