What if Sandie Peggie......... identifies as a Muslim Woman?

@Ponoka7

‘The tribunal was told Ms Peggie refused to acknowledge or look at Dr Upton when discussing the patient."

Told by whom ? The complainant? If it wasn’t captured on cctv or instantly noted by unbiased witnesses, it is just hearsay, and so not admissible as evidence.

It’s the HEIGHT of male entitlement in plain sight.

Any staff member who imposes an ideology that many women see as harmful - onto another staff member who doesn’t have to believe in or adhere to said ideology if they don’t want to, is unprofessional and shouldn’t be working in a hospital.

Like this man did to this nurse by going into a space he wasn’t entitled to be in (being a man) and making her uncomfortable and shitting over her boundaries.

Honestly there are some women who will
defend and prioritise men, especially the ones with special identities, over women no matter what.

Sounds like male entitlement to me. A doctor who would not accept being asked to do anything by a mere nurse. In a nutshell.

In English?

And do you think there are no female muslim nurses?

I am trying to understand this word salad?

By "private cubicles" do you mean the lavatories?

She did raise her concerns through the appropriate channels & was told to discuss it with the male Doctor (according to both parties)

There are lavatory cubicles in the changing rooms, is that what you mean?

‘Serious’ trans? Rather than those who ‘want to identify as female’ ? What the heck is the difference?

I did not assume, don't put words in my mouth. I was pointing out that is how transitioning happenns for those who are serious trans rather than those who want to identify as female yet aren't prepared to lose their bits

Those who are interested can follow the tribunal threads in the Naughty Corner.

Of course the reaction would have been different if a female Muslim colleague had asked for the women's changing rooms to be single sex.

But women shouldn't have to justify their need for single sex facilities due to religion, or have to describe heavy periods to the world via a court. In a civilised society single sex spaces should be a given (they benefit men and boys too). Decent men know this. Dr Upton is not a decent man.

You can but
1- why does that make a difference? If I’m struggling with flooding menstruation I don’t want to be trying to manage it in front of a man with or without his cock and balls.
2- why assume he has? Most don’t.

GCAcademic

If I worked with a man who consistently eroded boundaries and insisted on getting changed in front of me, or being there while I was getting changed, I would struggle to maintain a professional composure when working with them too. That is what happens when men set out to intimidate women.

She told him that she felt uncomfortable with his presence more than once and then complained to management and was brushed off. He complained and they rushed to discipline and suspend her.

With all that went on, notwithstanding the fact that he's male and generally unsettling to women in a female only space, he was looking for a fight and manufactured one.

Transitioning indeed, he's still a man.

Head to Tribunal Tweets for info
or FWR- 5 pages
don’t trust the media will report accurately
Transitioning ‘properly’ - what is that?
Sounds a little bit transphobic

But you can have your knob and balls removed and a vagina fashioned surgically. And those transitioning (properly) have testosterone reducing drugs.

Presumption and assumption. Ah yes, the basis for a rational argument.
Bugger the facts.

I think you’ll find it was the other way around. When he became aware the nurse was avoiding changing with him, he started making notes about everything she did and got her suspended.

Many of us are following the tribunal at the moment, there is no evidence that the nurse refused to communicate with him. She was asked by another staff member about a patient (presumably one allocated to Dr Upton), she replied to the staff member who asked the question, and Dr Upton has framed that as refusing to communicate and being unprofessional.

Honestly, if you were following it, you,'d see how incredibly thin the case is, plus it now appears that NHS Fife may have failed to disclose a lot of relevant documents that could potentially undermine their case.

I agree it isn’t possible. However, in this instance, there were private cubicles available. The nurse seems to have refused to have a professional relationship with the doctor for ideological reasons, which no hospital can tolerate.

Playing 'dress up' is exactly what he's doing. You can't transition to the opposite sex. It's just not possible.

Any staff member who refuses to communicate professionally with a colleague for ideological reasons cannot and should not be in a hospital setting.

We all know that in these enlightened days of EDI, equity and respecting everybody, that these words still ring true:
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Dr Beth is perfectly free to continue with his career. He just needs to fuck off to the male changing facilities, where he belongs.

Women tend not to look abusive males in the eye. It often angers them & makes the abuse worse.

The alleged 'hate incidents':

(1) The nurse saw that the trans Dr was in the changing room so decided to wait outside. The trans Dr took notes of this incident.

(2) Number 1 happened again where the nurse saw that the Dr was in the changing room and decided to wait outside. Again notes taken by the Dr and discussed with their supervisor.

Nurse escalated her discomfort to the managers, they said speak to the Dr directly.

(3) The nurse was changing out of her blood stained clothes (perimenopausal period overflow) when the trans Dr came in. She said you shouldn't be in here. The Dr said they were allowed to be in here and said I'm sorry you feel uncomfortable. Dr then submitted a complaint saying it was a 'hate incident'. Nurse gets suspended.

This nurse had been working in A&E for 30 years without any complaints.