Page 2 | What if Sandie Peggie......... identifies as a Muslim Woman?

eulittleb831 · 2025-02-07T09:21:25+00:00

I openly want to push why a male Doctor believes it to be acceptable to use an exclusively female changing room, intimidating and provoking an experienced nurse who was heavily menstruating, not that her cycle defines whether a male should be in a female changing room or not in my view. Surely the legal track of the employment tribunal would be entirely different, and his conduct would be impacting on her religious beliefs and privacy? Sandie Peggie is a white woman, is presumably not protected by any religious beliefs, but why? The Muslim community would not stand for his conduct and rightly so. Will any decision not in Ms Peggies favour be subsequently upended by Beth/Brian/Frank imposing himself on the women's changing room when a woman of colour or Muslim woman is enjoying the privacy of that space?

Original poster

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 20:07

username299 · 07/02/2025 20:04

This has been going on for a very long time and I've heard a lot about it. No, when I say trans, I'm talking about transgender. That could be transmen or transwomen. When I say male/female that's what I mean.

Show quote history

So when you wrote "The person who raped her was trans" were you referring to a male or female?

OP posts:

username299 · 07/02/2025 20:04

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 19:59

Do you listen to TRA's? Or feel that the imperatives of their ideology have worth? Whenever you write "trans" do you really mean male?

Show quote history

This has been going on for a very long time and I've heard a lot about it. No, when I say trans, I'm talking about transgender. That could be transmen or transwomen. When I say male/female that's what I mean.

Original poster

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 19:59

username299 · 07/02/2025 16:47

I don't smoke. From what I understand from TRAs, trans women are women. A woman was raped in a hospital ward and was informed that there were only women on the ward. The person who raped her was trans.

So according to the NHS for a start.

Show quote history

Do you listen to TRA's? Or feel that the imperatives of their ideology have worth? Whenever you write "trans" do you really mean male?

OP posts:

Original poster

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 17:48

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 07/02/2025 17:28

No one said the hospital shouldn’t employ a trans person. The nurse doesn’t have to believe a man is a man woman though.

Under the Equality Act the hospital has a duty
to provide single sex changing room facilities. Shout ‘well if it’s policy it’s policy’. No, that hospital has a duty of care towards a female and that includes having the space to change that’s not in front of a biological man, whether there’s one cubicle (or cupboard in this case) or 100 cubicles. Any arguments against rhos
is just dick pandering to abusive males, as that’s what he is. Policy or not.

Has it been proved she didn’t speak to him? And that is was for ideological reasons? Or was it because she felt unsafe in his presence being a male who was clearly making her uncomfortable? Like I said, nothing screams male entitlement more than this man.

Show quote history

I agree. For me if a man wants to dress up as a woman then that is his prerogative, save for very few exceptions it is fairly obvious a bloke is dressing up as a woman - what is absurd and offensive to me is when the same bloke starts thinking he is a woman and can become a woman by taking drugs and having surgery, when it is patently obvious that it is impossible and beyond the bounds of medical intervention.

OP posts:

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 07/02/2025 17:28

TreeSquirrel · 07/02/2025 17:11

Nope- that’s impossible. I’m sure “many women” see the ideology of the SNP government as harmful. That doesn’t mean that hospitals shouldn’t employ staff who support the SNP.

It’s not for the nurse to decide who gets to be in a specific space. The hospital had a process and rightly or wrongly, it was determined that the doctor was to change in the female changing room (which has cubicles available).

It cannot be for any individual staff member to unilaterally decide that they won’t communicate with a colleague for ideological reasons.

Show quote history

No one said the hospital shouldn’t employ a trans person. The nurse doesn’t have to believe a man is a man woman though.

Under the Equality Act the hospital has a duty
to provide single sex changing room facilities. Shout ‘well if it’s policy it’s policy’. No, that hospital has a duty of care towards a female and that includes having the space to change that’s not in front of a biological man, whether there’s one cubicle (or cupboard in this case) or 100 cubicles. Any arguments against rhos
is just dick pandering to abusive males, as that’s what he is. Policy or not.

Has it been proved she didn’t speak to him? And that is was for ideological reasons? Or was it because she felt unsafe in his presence being a male who was clearly making her uncomfortable? Like I said, nothing screams male entitlement more than this man.

Original poster

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 17:27

TreeSquirrel · 07/02/2025 17:11

Nope- that’s impossible. I’m sure “many women” see the ideology of the SNP government as harmful. That doesn’t mean that hospitals shouldn’t employ staff who support the SNP.

It’s not for the nurse to decide who gets to be in a specific space. The hospital had a process and rightly or wrongly, it was determined that the doctor was to change in the female changing room (which has cubicles available).

It cannot be for any individual staff member to unilaterally decide that they won’t communicate with a colleague for ideological reasons.

Show quote history

It is for the nurse to decide who is in what should be an intimate and private space for females only when she observes a man in there surely?

My understanding is that a fundamental premise to the ET pleadings is alleged breaches of the Equality Act by the NHS, selling women down the river and breaching their rights by fawning to the trans activists and allowing males into females changing rooms on the basis they say they are women.

OP posts:

Original poster

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 17:20

NewHeaven · 07/02/2025 17:15

A white person can be Muslim you know, being a personof colour isnt 'a prerequisite to being a Mislim. So YABU to think that brown/black skin = Muslim, that's a very narrow minded view.

Show quote history

I thought the lack of reference to Sandie being a Muslim, absence of Hijab/Niqab/Burkah was a dead giveaway - I grew up in Iran and Malaysia which formed my narrow minded view ;)

OP posts:

saveforthat · 07/02/2025 17:17

TreeSquirrel · 07/02/2025 17:11

Nope- that’s impossible. I’m sure “many women” see the ideology of the SNP government as harmful. That doesn’t mean that hospitals shouldn’t employ staff who support the SNP.

It’s not for the nurse to decide who gets to be in a specific space. The hospital had a process and rightly or wrongly, it was determined that the doctor was to change in the female changing room (which has cubicles available).

It cannot be for any individual staff member to unilaterally decide that they won’t communicate with a colleague for ideological reasons.

Show quote history

There were no cubicles available.

NewHeaven · 07/02/2025 17:15

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 09:43

Presumably and assumedly Christian - if she was or is a Muslim the narrative would be completely different - why? is the question I am asking

Show quote history

A white person can be Muslim you know, being a personof colour isnt 'a prerequisite to being a Mislim. So YABU to think that brown/black skin = Muslim, that's a very narrow minded view.

TreeSquirrel · 07/02/2025 17:11

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 07/02/2025 15:49

Any staff member who imposes an ideology that many women see as harmful - onto another staff member who doesn’t have to believe in or adhere to said ideology if they don’t want to, is unprofessional and shouldn’t be working in a hospital.

Like this man did to this nurse by going into a space he wasn’t entitled to be in (being a man) and making her uncomfortable and shitting over her boundaries.

Honestly there are some women who will
defend and prioritise men, especially the ones with special identities, over women no matter what.

Show quote history

Nope- that’s impossible. I’m sure “many women” see the ideology of the SNP government as harmful. That doesn’t mean that hospitals shouldn’t employ staff who support the SNP.

It’s not for the nurse to decide who gets to be in a specific space. The hospital had a process and rightly or wrongly, it was determined that the doctor was to change in the female changing room (which has cubicles available).

It cannot be for any individual staff member to unilaterally decide that they won’t communicate with a colleague for ideological reasons.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 07/02/2025 17:01

TreeSquirrel · 07/02/2025 11:23

The nurse seems to have behaved unprofessionally here. Regardless of her views on trans issues, she needs to treat colleagues respectfully in a work setting.

It is not sustainable to have a situation where she refuses to communicate with the doctor about patient care.

She may think the transitioning doctor shouldn’t be using the female changing room, but she should have raised her concerns through the appropriate channels rather than being rude.

In any event, there are cubicles in the changing room so this seems to be more a case of ideological and dogmatic views being put before what is best for staff and patients.

Did he treat her professionally by inserting himself into a woman only space?

ThatsNotMyTeen · 07/02/2025 16:58

Ponoka7 · 07/02/2025 09:50

I've changed my vote to YABU. The doctor is transitioning (not just playing dress up) and there are cubicles within the changing room. I think that this should have been better managed. However the Nurse doesn't accept them as a woman, so the doctor would have to be given seperate changing facilities. I'd be more interested to know if the doctor is now allowed to carry out intimate examinations without a female chaperone. If it was in a warehouse my answer would be different. I'd say that the trans person should use the seperate facilities.

The doctor is a male with (I suppose we have to accept) the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. He had no business being in a female changing room

FranticFrankie · 07/02/2025 16:58

Transwomen are men- otherwise there’d be no transition

Freysimo · 07/02/2025 16:55

Motomum23 · 07/02/2025 12:07

Any man pretending to be a woman is playing dress up. Their needs do not trump the needs of any other woman.

Show quote history

I totally agree. "Transitioning" my arse.

username299 · 07/02/2025 16:47

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 16:42

Trans Women are Women? Says who? What are you smokin’ and where can I get some?

Show quote history

I don't smoke. From what I understand from TRAs, trans women are women. A woman was raped in a hospital ward and was informed that there were only women on the ward. The person who raped her was trans.

So according to the NHS for a start.

scorpiogirly · 07/02/2025 16:45

TemporaryPosition · 07/02/2025 09:31

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd64p0dd034o

Show quote history

Blimey. Bathroom issue aside which i wholeheartedly agree with you on by the way, imagine being treated by him!

Original poster

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 16:43

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 07/02/2025 15:57

You cannot properly ‘identify ‘ as a Muslim woman. You can convert to Islam and obey its precepts. That would make you a Muslim. ( or so I believe).

You can’t properly identify as a woman either but there is a new world order out there have you heard?

OP posts:

Original poster

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 16:42

username299 · 07/02/2025 11:39

I'm not sure how it would work if the woman was from a religion where she couldn't share a space with men because surely the mantra is he's a woman - trans women are women. They would tell the woman that she's not sharing a space with a man.

Trans Women are Women? Says who? What are you smokin’ and where can I get some?

OP posts:

Original poster

eulittleb831 · 07/02/2025 16:36

TheyAreNotAngelsTheyDontCareAtAll · 07/02/2025 14:46

Presumption and assumption. Ah yes, the basis for a rational argument.
Bugger the facts.

Show quote history

Not really with you on this one. Beth/Brian/Frank will undoubtedly seek to impose himself on the women’s changing room when other females are there, and it is a statement of fact that in the short to medium term one of those parties will be a Muslim woman. Sandie is standing for herself and all women, should she be a Muslim the legal track and narrative would be entirely different and it may well be in the future as well if the ET doesn’t properly direct itself.

OP posts:

NImumconfused · 07/02/2025 16:19

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 07/02/2025 15:50

@Ponoka7

‘The tribunal was told Ms Peggie refused to acknowledge or look at Dr Upton when discussing the patient."

Told by whom ? The complainant? If it wasn’t captured on cctv or instantly noted by unbiased witnesses, it is just hearsay, and so not admissible as evidence.

It's important to note that she was actually discussing the patient with another staff member who had asked her about the patient, not Dr Upton.

SinnerBoy · 07/02/2025 16:17

The claim that SP didn't gaze worshipfully into Upton's eyes as he expounded is a red herring, in any case. You don't need to look at someone in order to hear them.

MissyB1 · 07/02/2025 16:05

Well some posters have clearly never been in a hospital changing room! It's not like a gym or swimming pool! Cubicles?? I've never seen any, someone implied she could change in a locker, errmm the lockers are small metal boxes for your clothes and handbag, you can't climb into them 😂
Look, it's usually a small room, if youre lucky there might be a bench, but they are mostly glorified cupboards with one toilet cubicle. The toilet cubicle isn't really big enough to get changed in, and why would a man get to hog the female changing room with the woman being forced into the toilet?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 07/02/2025 15:57

You cannot properly ‘identify ‘ as a Muslim woman. You can convert to Islam and obey its precepts. That would make you a Muslim. ( or so I believe).

maddening · 07/02/2025 15:54

TheyAreNotAngelsTheyDontCareAtAll · 07/02/2025 15:17

I did not assume, don't put words in my mouth. I was pointing out that is how transitioning happenns for those who are serious trans rather than those who want to identify as female yet aren't prepared to lose their bits

Show quote history

Being true trans is transphobic!

maddening · 07/02/2025 15:53

TemporaryPosition · 07/02/2025 09:51

This is so disingenuous and it does the cause no favours.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-64835023

An autistic kid accidently dropped a Quran in Wakfield and was recorded as having committed a hate incident, the mother was left petrified after meeting with a group of 'community leaders' who issued death threats to her son.

This would never ever happen between white Christians in the UK today over a bible. And you know it. Pretending not to makes people look like liars which is very dangerous.

Show quote history

A man has been charged due to burning a book he owned as it was the qoran