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For stopping a man taking his daughter in swimming pool changing room?

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Anotsolittlemermaid · 06/02/2025 23:58

I am a regular user but changed name for this as I’ve spoken to a few people about it so it could be outing. I apologise it’s quite a long post but couldn’t cut it much shorter as context is needed.

I have a monthly subscription to a gym with a swimming pool that’s part of a hotel, on a Wednesday there is women’s aqua aerobics from 7-8 then adult only time from 8pm till 10pm.

Yesterday evening I got to the pool at about 8.15 after aqua aerobics and there was a man who was just arriving at the pool with his young daughter who was about 4/5.

He was being quite annoying letting her disrupt people by jumping in where people were swimming, getting in the path of other swimmers, throwing floats used for aqua across the pool and he was picking her up and throwing her.
The little girl was shrieking and screaming and a few people gave annoyed looks over at him but he carried on getting in everyone’s way.

In the end after about 20 minutes a member of staff came over and asked the man to leave the pool as children’s hours had finished, he argued a bit saying he was trying to tire his daughter out so she would sleep but the staff member was firm and said there had been two sessions of children’s hours for 2 hours at a time earlier in the day that he had been welcome to use but people who wanted to swim properly deliberately avoided them and came later.

The women’s changing room was still busy after aqua and it was mostly women swimming in the pool who had stayed after aqua to continue swimming. The changing rooms are right next to the pool so you can hear when people are in them. The men’s seemed empty but the man and his daughter were also hotel guests so he could have wrapped a towel around her and gone back to the room. He had towels and a hotel robe for himself with him.

When he got out of the pool he put the robe on but took his daughter by the hand and walked towards the women’s changing room obviously intending to go in.

The changing room is open plan with only one cubicle, it had 8 showers, 4 are in cubicles but the other 4 are open, when I had undressed before swimming the changing room had been busy with lots of women using the showers and changing after aqua, there were obviously a few women still in there as I could hear chatting and the hairdryer going.

I had been swimming lengths at the edge of the pool opposite the changing room entrance so when I saw him heading to the women’s I called out to him “sorry but that’s the ladies and it’s busy, you can take your daughter to the men’s I’m sure it’s empty or can you not just put your towel around her and go to your room?”

The man glared at me and said he wasn’t taking his daughter into a room where men might be undressing and he had taken her into changing rooms before where no one had ever had a problem.

I said it was more likely they did have a problem but didn’t feel comfortable saying so, I was getting angry at this point so I said I’d go and get the member of staff to see what he said.

The man obviously knew the staff member wasn’t going to approve this and started ranting about how awful it was that first his daughter had been asked to leave the pool and now he couldn’t even get her dry and dressed again because of busy bodies sticking their oar in. Another women who was swimming and had overheard backed me up that it was completely inappropriate and no one over 8 is allowed in the opposite sex changing room. The man wasn’t happy but wrapped his daughter in the towel and took her his hotel room as I’d suggested. As he was wearing the robe I have no idea if he had planned to use the women’s changing room to shower and get changed himself or not.

I hate confrontation but the other women thanked me for saying something, I spoke to the staff member when I’d finished my swim and he agreed that the man should have used the men’s changing room where there was a free cubicle. He said he’d been cheeky enough bringing his daughter during adult hours when he’d been told earlier he wouldn’t be allowed when he’d asked about it.

I assumed most people would agree with me but my friend said I was completely out of order, she said the little girl was the one who was important and it was much safer and more appropriate for her to get changed in the ladies, she said most mums would be understanding about a father bringing his daughter in and could have got changed under a towel, when I mentioned he had also been in the pool and was possibly planning on getting undressed himself she said “well no one has to look if they don’t want to”
I didn’t want to keep discussing it with her as we had argued before years ago about her bringing her 11 year old son and nephews into ladies changing rooms and I realised she was the wrong person to mention it to.

I also mentioned it to DP and he said that I was right to stop the man going in the ladies but he equally feels uncomfortable when men bring their daughters in, he also swims and said the previous week a little girl had been running naked round the changing room whilst her dad was looking at his phone and he would never allow his daughter to do that as you just don’t know what other men are thinking.

There are no family changing rooms as it’s not really a kids pool with it being attached to a gym and it’s mainly set up for members comfort. The majority of people who bring kids are hotel guests who have rooms.

I don’t feel IABU really but after hearing my friend and DP’s opinion I just wondered what others thought about it. Was I wrong to suggest the man takes his daughter into the men’s changing room? On this occasion a cubicle was free but if it hadn’t been then do some people really think that women should be expected to get showered and undressed in front of a man when he could take her into the mens changing room?
I’m just interested in others thoughts.

There is also a disabled changing room but only one and in my opinion it’s wrong to take that over if you don’t have a disability.

OP posts:
Toddlerteaplease · 09/02/2025 04:05

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:05

Where is he supposed to get his daughter changed then?

In the men's. That's what my dad used to do with us when we were little.

LittleBigHead · 09/02/2025 04:02

so although not ideal I'd rather a dad rush his small child into a woman's cubicle rather then live in a world where children are put at risk.

How would a child be at risk in the men's changing room with her father?

bournevilleismyfavourite · 09/02/2025 00:45

@NoGwenItsABoxingDayTrifle genuinely, - how is a little girl “at risk” in the men’s changing rooms with her dad right next to her? I don’t get it!

NoGwenItsABoxingDayTrifle · 09/02/2025 00:40

I don't know what your weird agenda is but it sounds pretty perverted to not respect this.

@Hillcrest2022
Ignoring the fact you've called me a pervert 😂 I don't have an agenda!!
Just a different opinion to you.
As a woman that has personally dealt with sexual violence I completely understand and agree that women should have spaces that remain a men free zone.
BUT children safety trumps every one else's, so although not ideal I'd rather a dad rush his small child into a woman's cubicle rather then live in a world where children are put at risk. As I've said several times now there clearly needs to be a third space (family changing rooms)
I'm not going to comment further because we are not going to see each other's point of view on this one, that doesn't make me a pervert though.

latetothefisting · 09/02/2025 00:33

NoGwenItsABoxingDayTrifle · 08/02/2025 22:25

The whole anyone over age 8 needs to be in a changing room for their own sex is completely stupid. So pedophiles are a risk to seven year old boys but an eight year old just has to deal with this potential danger. As a single mum to a now adult boy this was always a concern to me. (I mentioned up post that a boy was SA in a McDonald's toilet within two minutes from where I was living) I know hope that sort of terrible situation is rare but why risk it.
Thankfully the swimming in my area has open plan unisex changing room and everyone uses a cubicle.
I am all for women having their own space but if the choice is me or a little girl/boy then I choose the safety of children every single time.
What should really happen is that every establishment that has changing rooms and toilets should legally provide a space for a single dad to take his little girl and a single mum to take her little boy.
I have a new nephew and in no world in eight years times if he is alone with me and nature calls will I be sending him into a man's cubicle block on his own.

You do understand that swimming isn't mandatory, right? A lot of people on here are acting as if their older child not being able to go swimming is a breach of their their human rights.

If you don't want to send an 8 year old boy into the men's changing rooms alone, that's fine and a decision you, and any other parent or guardian is entitled to make.

What you are NOT entitled to do is disobey the rules of the swimming pool and ride roughshod over everyone else's preferences and dignity by inappropriately using the women's changing room, whether men with daughters or mothers with older boys.

Luckily there are lots of other options.
You can go swimming with a member of the same sex as the child - another family member, or a friend, or arrange a motherland-style group outing

You can research the pool beforehand to find one that does have family changing facilities

You can hide the child behind a towel and change them poolside/in the car

Or you can just not change them at all, stick a big hoodie over the top and wash/change them once they're home

Or worst comes to the worst and youre a single parent withiut any family or friends living in the middle of nowhere with just one old style gender-divided changing rooms swimming pool in a thirty mile radius, you can just not take your child to swimming pools for the comparatively short period until they are old enough to change alone. Of course you can still take them to the beach or splash pools or whatever in-between. They probably won't grow up scarred for life.

Porcuporpoise · 09/02/2025 00:24

@Needspaceforlego as the mother of 4 sons I think you vastly overestimate the difference a couple of years will make in protecting a child from a predator. What protects boys in a changing room are the other men - luckily most men are not predators (at least not of boys).

Hillcrest2022 · 09/02/2025 00:24

@NoGwenItsABoxingDayTrifle

I'll day it again.

It is not appropriate for grown men to be in spaces where women and female children are vulnerable and naked. I don't need to be 'in charge of the world' to state this. Thankfully we have laws to protect this and some of us will continue to fight for them.

I don't know what your weird agenda is but it sounds pretty perverted to not respect this.

bythere · 09/02/2025 00:20

fratellia · 08/02/2025 22:09

No not directed at you. 🙂
I’m just curious whether those arguing that the girl should be taken into the ladies to ‘safeguard her from pedophiles’ would feel the same if the man in question was with a little boy rather than girl. I think that argument could be equally applied!

I completely agree that any child will be fine going into a changing room with their dad.

That's a good point. If the men's room is supposedly full of so many shady people and such a den of depravity as some seem to make it out to be then a child of either sex(even if accompanied by a parent) shouldn't go in.

Needspaceforlego · 09/02/2025 00:14

@Porcuporpoise nobody is saying into teens.

I personally think 10 would be a more reasonable cut off, 8 just seems very young.
It's crazy on another thread it's 66% think it's unreasonable to leave a 7yo outside a school for a few minutes incase she doesn't make it into school. Yet 8yo boys are expected to look after themselves in a Male changing room.

A 10yo is more able to under walk away, run, shout if you feel threatened a 8 yo isn't. They are also more able to understand risks.

MyPearlCrow · 09/02/2025 00:04

Notaflippinclue · 08/02/2025 23:53

It's wrong for some naked bodies to be seen by youngsters - I'm thinking strange man in supermarket toilet - yes some bodies kids should be very fearful of

But that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about naked bodies in a swimming pool changing room. A perfectly normal, indeed essential, part of going swimming.

Is everyone on glue today?

Porcuporpoise · 09/02/2025 00:02

NoGwenItsABoxingDayTrifle · 08/02/2025 22:25

The whole anyone over age 8 needs to be in a changing room for their own sex is completely stupid. So pedophiles are a risk to seven year old boys but an eight year old just has to deal with this potential danger. As a single mum to a now adult boy this was always a concern to me. (I mentioned up post that a boy was SA in a McDonald's toilet within two minutes from where I was living) I know hope that sort of terrible situation is rare but why risk it.
Thankfully the swimming in my area has open plan unisex changing room and everyone uses a cubicle.
I am all for women having their own space but if the choice is me or a little girl/boy then I choose the safety of children every single time.
What should really happen is that every establishment that has changing rooms and toilets should legally provide a space for a single dad to take his little girl and a single mum to take her little boy.
I have a new nephew and in no world in eight years times if he is alone with me and nature calls will I be sending him into a man's cubicle block on his own.

Boys are at risk from men ie unable to fight them off physically til at least the age of 15/16. Should they be in the women's too "just in case"?

Notaflippinclue · 08/02/2025 23:53

It's wrong for some naked bodies to be seen by youngsters - I'm thinking strange man in supermarket toilet - yes some bodies kids should be very fearful of

MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 23:34

NoGwenItsABoxingDayTrifle · 08/02/2025 23:19

Except it's not, because believe or not you are not in charge of the world.

And, thank goodness, neither are you.

MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 23:33

ruethewhirl · 08/02/2025 22:10

It's different, and I wouldn't have thought that needed spelling out. But if you really can't see/don't want to accept that seeing naked strangers could be upsetting for a small child, we're just going to have to agree to differ.

It’s only upsetting if the child has been taught that bodies are somehow wrong. Which is wrong.

NoGwenItsABoxingDayTrifle · 08/02/2025 23:19

Hillcrest2022 · 08/02/2025 23:07

It's pretty simple.

Grown men should not be in changing rooms where there are women and girls in vulnerable naked states. THATS IT.

Except it's not, because believe or not you are not in charge of the world.

Hillcrest2022 · 08/02/2025 23:08

Needspaceforlego · 08/02/2025 22:11

@fratellia thanks 😊

I would have no issue at all with an 8 year old boy being brought in to women's bathrooms or changing rooms if there was no other option. He's a child and should be protected.

Hillcrest2022 · 08/02/2025 23:07

It's pretty simple.

Grown men should not be in changing rooms where there are women and girls in vulnerable naked states. THATS IT.

NoGwenItsABoxingDayTrifle · 08/02/2025 22:25

The whole anyone over age 8 needs to be in a changing room for their own sex is completely stupid. So pedophiles are a risk to seven year old boys but an eight year old just has to deal with this potential danger. As a single mum to a now adult boy this was always a concern to me. (I mentioned up post that a boy was SA in a McDonald's toilet within two minutes from where I was living) I know hope that sort of terrible situation is rare but why risk it.
Thankfully the swimming in my area has open plan unisex changing room and everyone uses a cubicle.
I am all for women having their own space but if the choice is me or a little girl/boy then I choose the safety of children every single time.
What should really happen is that every establishment that has changing rooms and toilets should legally provide a space for a single dad to take his little girl and a single mum to take her little boy.
I have a new nephew and in no world in eight years times if he is alone with me and nature calls will I be sending him into a man's cubicle block on his own.

Needspaceforlego · 08/02/2025 22:11

@fratellia thanks 😊

ruethewhirl · 08/02/2025 22:10

MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 18:29

But then you’d have been the same in a new supermarket, shopping centre or cinema then - so not really to do with all those swinging penises?

It's different, and I wouldn't have thought that needed spelling out. But if you really can't see/don't want to accept that seeing naked strangers could be upsetting for a small child, we're just going to have to agree to differ.

fratellia · 08/02/2025 22:09

Needspaceforlego · 08/02/2025 22:04

@fratellia if that was directed at me, nobody is going to harm a child of any sex while they are with their Dad.

No not directed at you. 🙂
I’m just curious whether those arguing that the girl should be taken into the ladies to ‘safeguard her from pedophiles’ would feel the same if the man in question was with a little boy rather than girl. I think that argument could be equally applied!

I completely agree that any child will be fine going into a changing room with their dad.

Twaddlepip · 08/02/2025 22:05

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding with some posters about the threat men potentially pose to women, compared with the threat women could potentially pose to women. I’m not sure if it’s wilful or… either way, it’s depressing.

Needspaceforlego · 08/02/2025 22:04

@fratellia if that was directed at me, nobody is going to harm a child of any sex while they are with their Dad.

fratellia · 08/02/2025 22:00

What if it was the same scenario but a dad with a little boy rather than girl? You could equally use the argument about ‘safeguarding from pedophiles’ for the man to take the little boy with him into the women’s changing area. But obviously that would be silly.

if it’s okay for a dad to take a little boy and get him changed/dressed in the men’s then I don’t see why he can’t do the same with a girl. As long as he protects dignity when getting changed etc but you would expect that with children of each gender.

Needspaceforlego · 08/02/2025 21:57

Tapofthemorning · 08/02/2025 21:12

Yes, of course safeguarding is important. But I don't understand why people think men's changing rooms are hotbeds of paedophilia. I understand from a practical point of view why little kids need assistance but an eight-year-old can cope. I think we'll have to leave this because it's just not a mindset I have.

Boys have been sexually assaulted in mens toilets before.
So it's hardly a stretch to imagine the risk in communal changing rooms.