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ASD child - “he looks through me when speaking to me” ???

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Ricecakesaremyjam · 06/02/2025 21:06

My son is 5yrs old, diagnosed ASD. His teacher has told me “he looks through me when he talks to me and he has a blank expression when he is stimming”.
I could be wrong but I thought it was common for autistic children to have occasionally blank facial expressions/stare? What is she getting at here?
Thanks for any replies xx

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BusMumsHoliday · 07/02/2025 19:47

Ricecakesaremyjam · 06/02/2025 21:20

His behaviour has been challenging in school recently and the teacher was listing concerns, with the “looking through me when speaking to me and blank expression when stimming” being on the concerns list ☹️

If his behaviour is challenging, she may be listing something she feels has changed - maybe he seems less engaged, less inclined to share his inner world. I agree her phrasing isn't great and it's not clear this behaviour is actually causing problems?

Top of the list of traits/tips I give all my DS's teachers is something like "DS doesn't display typical listening behaviours even when he is listening very carefully, so you need to confirm verbally that he's heard and understood." We also got "whole body listening" taken off his targets because as long as he's retaining information as best he can and not disturbing others, it's not a problem. We can work on appearing to listen if he wants to when he's older, and when it's less important that he actually takes the teacher's words in rather than worrying about if his eyes are looking in the right place.

Crazycatlady79 · 07/02/2025 19:36

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 06/02/2025 21:09

It’s ASC now.

Autism Spectrum Condition.

And yes, zoning out while stimming is a thing.

As for the ‘looking through me’ thing is just silly. A teacher should know better.

It's not ASC now; that is just the preference for some. Personally, I prefer Autism being used.

Bayonetlightbulb · 07/02/2025 19:34

Catza · 07/02/2025 09:40

Potato - potato...
I only heard about it the other day. Makes zero difference to me but there is a whole movement of autism activism of which I am decisively not a member so I guess it matters to some people.

I was more just challenging that poster's assertion that using ASD is now ring, it certainty isn't wrong to use it in any way whatsoever

Catza · 07/02/2025 09:40

Bayonetlightbulb · 06/02/2025 21:16

Is it? I have ASD, nobody has told me it has changed. It seems nobody has told the nhs either...

Potato - potato...
I only heard about it the other day. Makes zero difference to me but there is a whole movement of autism activism of which I am decisively not a member so I guess it matters to some people.

barstar · 06/02/2025 22:14

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 06/02/2025 21:09

It’s ASC now.

Autism Spectrum Condition.

And yes, zoning out while stimming is a thing.

As for the ‘looking through me’ thing is just silly. A teacher should know better.

You don't get to decide that.

ShakeUpYourTiredEyes · 06/02/2025 21:56

I'd be upset.

All my eldests assessors reported that "he had a blank expression" "he appeared to be looking at me but not engaging, as if he couldn't see me and his mind was somewhere else" this was mentioned in every report.
To say he looks straight through me by a teacher I'd instantly react like I feel like she's saying he's rude/bad mannered or ignorant. I'd be asking her to explain herself better and be complaining about her lack of understanding tbh

Oodlesandoodlesofnoodles · 06/02/2025 21:46

Ricecakesaremyjam · 06/02/2025 21:20

His behaviour has been challenging in school recently and the teacher was listing concerns, with the “looking through me when speaking to me and blank expression when stimming” being on the concerns list ☹️

I’d be concerned that she’s his teacher with that lack of awareness. Sounds like she needs to do some more training.

FumingTRex · 06/02/2025 21:44

Maybe the teacher is concerned because she thinks he is unhappy? She may not be saying his behaviour is “wrong”. I would just explain what is normal for him.

Genevie82 · 06/02/2025 21:42

WaitingForMojo · 06/02/2025 21:27

I’m autistic. I dislike ‘condition’ as much as ‘disorder’ - autism will do nicely.

Spare a thought for those of us who also have ADHD, and get the double whammy of deficit and disorder within the same diagnosis.

This 100% thank you @WaitingForMojo

Itisbetter · 06/02/2025 21:41

I had a teacher complain how upsetting and frustrating she found it that my seriously ill selectively mute child never spoke. Well fuck me that must have been absolutely awful for her. Fucker. Teachers are not saints and some of them are not empathetic or nice at all. @Ricecakesaremyjam your son’s autistic (asd for me) nothing she described is unusual for people with ASD, and I can’t see that his facial expressions need to be policed, critiqued or “fixed”.

ICanTellYouMissMe · 06/02/2025 21:40

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 06/02/2025 21:09

It’s ASC now.

Autism Spectrum Condition.

And yes, zoning out while stimming is a thing.

As for the ‘looking through me’ thing is just silly. A teacher should know better.

Nobody told our consultant 🤷‍♀️

Phase2 · 06/02/2025 21:36

https://dy55nndrxke1w.cloudfront.net/file/24/xT2FqUxTh55_JA5xTMYZxb.dfV0x/NAS_How%20to%20talk%20and%20write%20about%20autism.pdf

NAS guide ASD still in diagnostic manuals, condition is more of a social movement although not loved by all.

FumingTRex · 06/02/2025 21:35

@Babanafroufrou I’m glad to hear it but Im told there’s next to nothing in PGCE and i frequently have to explain the basics to teachers.

WaitingForMojo · 06/02/2025 21:31

Babanafroufrou · 06/02/2025 21:28

'Teachers have very little training in autism'
Seriously? Definitely not my experience working in primary schools.

My experience is that teachers get little training.

Babanafroufrou · 06/02/2025 21:28

FumingTRex · 06/02/2025 21:09

Autistic people sometimes are uncomfortable making eye contact which would explain the looking through. Its worth explaining this to the teacher so he doesnt get told “look at me when im speaking to you”

Unfortunately teachers have very little training in autism.

'Teachers have very little training in autism'
Seriously? Definitely not my experience working in primary schools.

WaitingForMojo · 06/02/2025 21:27

I’m autistic. I dislike ‘condition’ as much as ‘disorder’ - autism will do nicely.

Spare a thought for those of us who also have ADHD, and get the double whammy of deficit and disorder within the same diagnosis.

DancingHippos · 06/02/2025 21:26

I'm assuming it's a mainstream school? Teachers generally, while training to be teachers get very little input on SEN. Definitely ask the SENCo to either do an Inset session on it for teachers or get some external input. It sounds like the teacher doesn't know enough about Autism.

Grapesandcheseseplease · 06/02/2025 21:25

Ricecakesaremyjam · 06/02/2025 21:20

His behaviour has been challenging in school recently and the teacher was listing concerns, with the “looking through me when speaking to me and blank expression when stimming” being on the concerns list ☹️

This teacher needs to educate herself then! Is she new to the profession? When she comes to you with “concerns” turn it back on her and ask what she’s putting in place to support him. It’s her job to learn about the condition and try different things until she finds what works with your child.

OnlyWhenILaugh · 06/02/2025 21:25

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 06/02/2025 21:19

I also have ASC and work with children with ASC.

Definitely changed. For the better, I feel.

’Disorder’ is an ugly word.

It's a personal thing though. My autistic dd really dislikes "condition" . She says a condition is something like atheletes foot 🤣

Theunamedcat · 06/02/2025 21:22

Also ds2 tries so hard to make eye contact (because people tell him he should) he ends up staring into your soul like a psychopath in a bad movie he tries bless him

Grapesandcheseseplease · 06/02/2025 21:22

MargaretThursday · 06/02/2025 21:14

Is she complaining or commenting?

If she's complaining then I'd respond by saying that is one fairly normal observation for children with ASD.
If she's commenting, then agree that he does.

This.
It’s very typical for children with ASD so it may just be confirming what you already know. Eye contact was on my son’s Learning Support Plan and I really fought to get it taken off; there are a million other ways to check if a child is listening without forcing them to do something that makes them uncomfortable.
Also to the poster that said it’s ASC, since when? Could you provide a plausible link that says this because I’ve worked across the NHS and in Education and we still use ASD in both.

Theunamedcat · 06/02/2025 21:20

It's quite normal behavior ds2 switches off its completely blank and can be a bit disconcerting he literally looks like he has disconnected from the mainframe then he sparks back up again

We say he is "buffering"

Lougle · 06/02/2025 21:20

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 06/02/2025 21:19

I also have ASC and work with children with ASC.

Definitely changed. For the better, I feel.

’Disorder’ is an ugly word.

I have ASD, diagnosed this month. DD3 has ASD, diagnosed this month. DD3's diagnostic report says that some people refer to it as ASC so we may see it written as either but it means the same thing.

Ricecakesaremyjam · 06/02/2025 21:20

His behaviour has been challenging in school recently and the teacher was listing concerns, with the “looking through me when speaking to me and blank expression when stimming” being on the concerns list ☹️

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Lyn348 · 06/02/2025 21:19

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 06/02/2025 21:09

It’s ASC now.

Autism Spectrum Condition.

And yes, zoning out while stimming is a thing.

As for the ‘looking through me’ thing is just silly. A teacher should know better.

Stop policing language, you don't get to decide when things change.

That doesn't sound unusual for a child with ASD OP, I agree with others that she probably has very little knowledge of it and is telling you things that would be unusual in an NT child.