To wonder what would happen if LL were ever released?

It was talked about in the trial. The guardian mentions it here https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/24/lucy-letby-inquiry-character-missed-opportunities-staff-shortages

Right ok, I thought the previous poster was saying it was the hospital management who were trying to scapegoat her.

I don't think the other nurses (who worked with her closely) did suspect anything did they?

Also someone said that the consultants only did two ward rounds a week which seems absolutely mad with such fragile and sick infants (no wonder they kept being surprised that allegedly stable infants died). But can I ask for a source for this as I don't remember hearing it at the press conference or elsewhere?

I don’t think you’re premise is right. For me the system did partly work, they was evidence to suggest she may have been responsible however the main issue is her defence team didn’t challenge this evidence.
If I were on a jury and was given all that circumstantial evidence, along with an “expert” presenting it and the defence team produce nothing to challenge it, then I’d assume they couldn’t challenge it and most likely think she was guilty.

She was scape goated by the consultants who fought to report her. The consultants were the ones responsible for the medical care and for botching procedures on the infants, not prescribing the correct medicines etc. They were the ones whose reputations stood to suffer as the unit was being investigated for its excess deaths.

If you listen to the worldwide experts at their press conference it sounds like they made a lot of mistakes.

The entire "justice system" would collapse overnight.

It wouldn't just be the greatest miscarriage of justice in British history, it would utterly destroy the reputation of the CPS, the police and the jury system.

Lucy Letby would most likely be given anonymity and possibly her parents too.

She wouldn't be entitled to any compensation as the appeal would be seen as the "system" working as it should, therefore no negligence on the part of the courts or prison system. There is precedent for this with numerous cases.

The fallout if her conviction were to be quashed would fundamentally change how the Criminal Justice System works.

@SabandBraddy I do remember that yes, thanks for the response.

When people say she was scapegoated due to the terrible conditions at the hospital, iirc all the bosses bent over backwards to support her. It was the other nurses and Drs who complained about her and one Dr was actually told to apologies to her for accusing her.
if the bosses wanted to scapegoat her, surely they would have been very happy to accuse her.

Do you remember when you were a kid and you had the local perv who everyone know was a perv and just sort of avoided/didn’t talk to? It’s a bit like that

She must be working because she’s at the same bus stop same time everyday. Nobody is throwing bricks or getting pitch forks out no

No they didn’t. Or is so this wasn’t mentioned in court which seems very, very odd.

one of the doctors who some time after the incident stated he walked into a room where an alarm was going off and she wasn’t doing anything. That is not “killing a baby”. He even said in court that it’s not unusual for nurses/doctors to adopt an initial wait and see approach at those times. As a midwife who has briefly worked in a NICU I’ve done that. If he really thought he’d walked into on her killing a baby then he’d have said something at the time and never did.

This is how I feel. I completely do not condone what she did at all but I feel there's a disproportionate amount of hate towards her versus Huntley. I suppose it's easier to hate her as she's free but she didn't commit the murders. She was stupidly naive and trusting.

I think if she is ever released (and on balance I think she should and will be) she will never have anything resembling a normal life. She will effectively live under permanent and repeated Osman warnings and have to watch her back for life. It's very sad and I feel for her. In reality, she will almost certainly have to be given a new identity and likely live abroad.

The Thirlwall enquiry will need to be switched to be an investigation into how the woefully substandard and neglectful care was allowed to continue in that hospital for as long as it did and why an apparently innocent nurse was allowed to be scapegoated in a witch-hunt.

Unfortunately there will always be people who believe she is guilty so she will never be able to live a threat free life.

This isn't a documentary on Netflix, a whodunnit for conspiracy theorists to be armchair detectives.

She will stay convicted as a witness caught her trying to kill one of the babies. Some evidence may be up for scientific debate but not all of it.

This. Karen Matthew’s is moved a few times a year. They’d have to move her out of the UK for her to have any semblance of a “normal” life

Tsk. I dread to think how much that costs. Some people in our society are truly pointless.

But it’s a NICU - for premature and very unwell babies. Allegedly a struggling one with systemic issues. Of course, and incredibly sadly, there were deaths. But you’re talking about statistics and again, I doubt you, and definitely not I, is qualified to do so. Apparently not LL’s prosecution either, based on the Royal Statistical Society.

Grow up.

Dumbass guy? Does she not deserve a bright future if she is found not guilty, to have a 'normal' life like she was living? Jeez you can see why she would need a new id if acquitted.

I don't think the psychological impact on her could ever be undone if she's innocent. She wasn't the most stable person in the first place but after being in prison for 'murdering babies', who knows what she's been through?

I think if she was innocent and was released, she'd probably kill herself. It would be impossible to live with the hatred of so many people and the constant threat of someone searching for you and hurting or killing you. You would have to be a very tough cookie to deal with that.

If she is acquitted and gets out it’ll be interesting to see what if anything happens to Dewi Evans. I guess you can’t be prosecuted for being wrong/a shit expert witness. I feel he should be though. Because he seems to have just made stuff up with no foundation.

She never wrote that she did it on purpose.

@hazelnutvanillalatte I followed the 10 month trial, I'd hardly call that covering my ears. People watch one documentary or press conference and they're experts 😆The hospital seems to have done perfectly fine since they got rid of (as you so accurately put) the witch. Bit of a coincidence that. I can't believe on a forum full of mothers so many would be happy to have her out and probably even looking after babies again!

Did you watch the press conference? The author of the study used by the prosecution refuted their entire case and said the hospital should have been shut down due to negligence and malpractice. Thank God some people employ critical thinking, rather than covering their ears and shouting 'burn the witch.'

It's likely that instead of screaming and crying, you would want to cooperate and give as much information as possible to give you the best chance of exoneration.

That was such an awful case. And no reason for it, unlike this, where the reason would be a cover-up. Multiple members of the prosecution invented statistics and withheld important information to wrongly sentence a grieving mother to life imprisonment. How could anyone knowingly do that, let alone multiple people?

That’s interesting to know!