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Complaint against charity

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retreatingheadlights · 06/02/2025 12:56

I made a complaint to the manager of a charity that provides a service to a disabled family member because they are not providing the service they are supposed to. It's a paid for service. In response they have closed ranks and accused my family member of being abusive towards them on the phone. I was there and there was no abuse. No raised voice, no swearing, no aggression, but there was frustration at the ongoing issue of not providing the service. The manager is launching an investigation into my family member who is going to be distraught. They are elderly and well known as a lovely, polite, pleasant person.

Does anyone have any advice on how to handle this? They are part of a wider council group so perhaps the council might be able to help.

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retreatingheadlights · 28/02/2025 12:09

The manager is being very obstructive. I've asked for the contact details of HR and asked to see a record of this abuse but they just reply without the information.

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retreatingheadlights · 28/02/2025 11:01

Apparently the incident has not been documented. Strange how that eh? Almost like it didn't happen!

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retreatingheadlights · 27/02/2025 14:02

Luckily those who volunteer for the charity and provide the person to person service are generally lovely. It's some of those in the office who are not nice to deal with. Some are lovely and really helpful whereas others you wonder why they are volunteers because it's obviously not for them.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/02/2025 18:48

retreatingheadlights · 25/02/2025 14:53

I received the data access request yesterday and strangely there is nothing documented of the phone call where my family member was allegedly abusive.

I'm not in the least surprised, OP; sadly, "they were nasty to me" is standard practice among many who receive a complaint and hope it'll get them off the hook

I wouldn't waste time expecting the council to deal with this - or anything at all, come to that - but wonder if there's anyone else available to provide the service?
If it's a caring-type role it would be unusual for there only to be one such agency and perhaps a change might work best in the end?

retreatingheadlights · 26/02/2025 18:40

They already told me that calls are not recorded. They bite down the date and time of calls but not who took the call, just a brief e try as to what was discussed. For example Client phoned to cancel due to illness. Driver informed.
I have queried the missing data and am waiting to hear back. I can't see HR doing much with a case of he said she says but there's no record of a call let alone any details of the call or who took the call.
I'll be taking it to the charity commission if I don't get anywhere. Our PTA runs a better business than this charity.

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Cyclebabble · 26/02/2025 18:06

retreatingheadlights · 25/02/2025 14:53

I received the data access request yesterday and strangely there is nothing documented of the phone call where my family member was allegedly abusive.

Ok, so there is something odd here. I would go back and ask specifically if calls are recorded. If so they should have sent you a copy with the DSAR, so point out the admission and ask for it to be sent.

If not, then why is there no reference to it? If a user is abusive then this is a serious matter and it would have been recorded. If not then I think you are entitled to ask if any of this has any basis in fact.

retreatingheadlights · 25/02/2025 15:37

Some names redacted throughout the record but no documentation of the call being handed over to a manager or any abusive language from my relative and no mention of staff making a complaint to HR.

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LIZS · 25/02/2025 15:17

Are they not recorded or have identifying details been redacted?

tothelefttotheleft · 25/02/2025 15:07

I don't know how to help but I'm giving this a hopefully helpful bump.

retreatingheadlights · 25/02/2025 14:54

There's no record of who takes the calls that have been recorded on paper either which seems poor practice. How can they effectively monitor things or raise issues if the basics aren't documented.

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retreatingheadlights · 25/02/2025 14:53

I received the data access request yesterday and strangely there is nothing documented of the phone call where my family member was allegedly abusive.

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retreatingheadlights · 13/02/2025 09:03

I've not got anywhere with the council or the support hub that the charity is part of. The council said to complain to the support hub and the support hub said to complain to the charity.

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tothelefttotheleft · 11/02/2025 19:45

Deljay · 06/02/2025 13:34

When I was a family carer, if I ever complained or disagreed with anything that happened, however politely, I was accused of being abusive and or crazy. It's how these places typically operate when they've fucked up.

Once I was accused of attacking a carer who had gone off for a crafty ciggie during her shift . Luckily it was all caught on the door camera so I was exonerated when the recording showed me simply walking through the door to deal with the emergency and not interacting with her in any way at all. We ended up recording all conversations and putting CCTV in our home to protect ourselves.

Totally this !

Schools, Camhs, medical settings all do this kind of thing.

LlamaDharma · 11/02/2025 13:00

I hope you get the right outcome here. It's awful when it is a health related charity for the vulnerable because you feel awful complaining anyway. When my mother was dying I had Marie Curie nurses stay overnight a few nights a week who were wonderful. One night we were sent a nurse who had never been before and she asked what the usual night time routine was. Because my mother was barely conscious by then, whenever a new nurse arrived as her main carer I just briefly went through our nighttime routine so that they knew when my mother usually had her medications etc. I barely opened my mouth to speak and she looked straight at me and said "I was speaking to her not you!". I literally stood there with my mouth wide open. I felt like a naughy little girl who had not asked for permission to speak. I called them the next morning and said i've never been spoken to like that in my own home in my life, please don't send her again. It was awful because I felt terrible saying anything anyway and they usually only used nurses with a certain kindly manner because it was a such a sensitive time during end of life care. The whole situation really shook me. I just couldn't believe the way I was being spoken to in my own property. I'm all for healthcare staff having assertiveness and being confident but there's no need for rudeness.

HollyBerryz · 11/02/2025 12:31

Is it council funded? If so I'd involve the LA too

retreatingheadlights · 11/02/2025 12:03

I've not had any response yet to my email requesting the DSAR, or that everything is now directed via me.

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Oblomov25 · 07/02/2025 19:52

Keep persevering op, calmly and firmly, because this is classic reaction when they know they are in the wrong.

retreatingheadlights · 07/02/2025 19:25

I sent an email off this morning requesting these DSAR. I've not had any response to my query yesterday about the recording of phone calls.
It will be interesting to see the complaint the volunteer has made against my relative. I'm still completely baffled how the conversation can be classed as abusive.

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Cyclebabble · 06/02/2025 22:09

So you might write something like:

Heading: Data Subject Access Request

I would like to make a data subject access request in respect of XXXX.

In particular I would like to obtain copies of:

-any recorded calls;
-any data held on xxx on any of your systems;
-any emails which mention xxxx
-any WhatsApp messages or similar groups which mention xxxx

Please supply this for [period the service has been used].

please ensure that this note is forwarded to your Data Protection Officer (DPO).

retreatingheadlights · 06/02/2025 21:38

@Cyclebabble thank you. I'll do that tomorrow.
I am going to email them and ask that they do not contact my relative directly and that all communication is in writing via email from now on.
I can't believe how bizarre this is or how unprofessional the manager has been in her emails to me.

My complaint was sent yesterday and I have a feeling the person on the phone today has heard about the complaint and got flustered and quickly handed the call to a colleague because she didn't know how to resolve the issue. Even if my relative had been angry and agitated, not that this was the case, then surely they are trained in how to deescalate things rather than panicking and passing the phone then putting in a complaint?! My relative is upset and wondering what on earth they have done that's been classed as abusive. Wouldn't say boo to a goose so this is so weird.

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Cyclebabble · 06/02/2025 18:53

retreatingheadlights · 06/02/2025 17:33

@Cyclebabble how do I go about making that request please?

Go on to the website and.see if you can search subject access request. If you cannot see anything write to them requesting the informatuon you require which shoild be all of the data they hold and spe ifically any telephone records. A subject access request is free

retreatingheadlights · 06/02/2025 17:33

@Cyclebabble how do I go about making that request please?

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retreatingheadlights · 06/02/2025 17:24

The manager had ignored my questions but said how the member of staff was very upset and needed to be comforted because she'd never received such abuse before. I've never heard such a load of nonsense in my life. There's no announcement to say calls are recorded so I doubt they are.

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Cyclebabble · 06/02/2025 16:25

As a thought I would make a data subject access request (DSAR). Specifically I would ask for any call recording that has been done and your relatives file as a whole (they may have to make the DSAR themselves. This would highlight that there is no history of abuse and if they call record you can here exactly what as said.

Deljay · 06/02/2025 15:36

But yeah, my advice is to always interact with health and social services as if you have been wrongly accused of a serious crime, because you soon will be: record all your conversations, get witnesses, and know the law where relevant. You don't need to be adversarial, but you do need to protect yourself.