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My son is scruffy and i don't care

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EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 00:21

But my husband does.

My son (11) comes home from high school with muddy shoes, muddy trousers, and today came home with a cut in his jumper. He comes home each day having drawn over his hands and arms, which sometimes creates ink stains on his shirts.

I'm fed up of replacing shirts - they are clean, just stained.
He has cut a slit into his trousers out of boredom.
He cut his jumper intentionally, don't know why.

He isn't a bad kid at all, it's not naughtiness, it could be inattentive ADHD but if it is it's mild.

None of this really bothers me in the sense that he has clean clothes every day, goes to school relatively well-kept, and I believe it's all part of the high school transition.

But I don't want to clean his shoes for him.
I don't want to keep replacing clothes, especially logoed items.
I don't want to keep mending clothes he intentionally damages.
I'm happy to let him go in clean but scruffy - and ALL the lads he is friendly with come out of school an absolute mess.

My husband strongly disagrees and thinks I should do the above. He has said he will do the mending if I won't (he can't sew). He thinks the teachers will judge DS and people will "think we are poor" (like thats an insult 🙄).

But I've never cared much about appearance so maybe IABU.

Would appreciate thoughts.

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EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 13:20

WellsAndThistles · 06/02/2025 12:42

Do what you like, dont know why you bothered starting the thread tbh. Can't wait to read your post in 5 years time when DS gets sacked from his job in McDonalds as he's stabbed his filthy uniform. Hopefully he'll never become some poor girls husband either.

Oh and given that we are working hard with his homework, revision, and starting his business, i'm pretty sure that at 16, an inkstain on his shirt wont mean he has to work at McDonalds.

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EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 12:45

WellsAndThistles · 06/02/2025 12:42

Do what you like, dont know why you bothered starting the thread tbh. Can't wait to read your post in 5 years time when DS gets sacked from his job in McDonalds as he's stabbed his filthy uniform. Hopefully he'll never become some poor girls husband either.

😂 👍🏻

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EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 12:44

Serpentstooth · 06/02/2025 12:36

Not sure you've got the full story from your boy., are you ?

what do you mean?

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WellsAndThistles · 06/02/2025 12:42

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 01:24

He can but this isn't really the point of the thread, I'm not bothered about the stains etc.

Also, money wasted is still money wasted, for the sake of a 1 inch rip in a jumper I'd rather he wore it

Do what you like, dont know why you bothered starting the thread tbh. Can't wait to read your post in 5 years time when DS gets sacked from his job in McDonalds as he's stabbed his filthy uniform. Hopefully he'll never become some poor girls husband either.

Serpentstooth · 06/02/2025 12:36

Not sure you've got the full story from your boy., are you ?

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 12:25

Goodnightelizabethgoodnight · 06/02/2025 12:24

It's wild. It was around 11pm onwards a few nights back. Just spamming them in the middle of threads. Took a while to vet them down too. I don't know when photo posting will be reinstated. Not sure how they can after that!

Youd think they could put some AI checker in place to assess the content of the photos and then approve / decline upload

as clearly it can be got round by using links as i just have

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EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 12:24

the shoes

https://jmp.sh/s/eIwh87O3cmEhaJXoi02K

honestly you can barely see them under his trousers

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https://jmp.sh/s/eIwh87O3cmEhaJXoi02K

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Goodnightelizabethgoodnight · 06/02/2025 12:24

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 12:22

Just to put it into context and see how bad my standards are!

And wtf to the child abuse images that's horrendous

It's wild. It was around 11pm onwards a few nights back. Just spamming them in the middle of threads. Took a while to vet them down too. I don't know when photo posting will be reinstated. Not sure how they can after that!

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 12:22

Just to put it into context and see how bad my standards are!

And wtf to the child abuse images that's horrendous

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Goodnightelizabethgoodnight · 06/02/2025 12:15

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 12:08

how do i upload a pic of the shoes

You can't. Mumsnet took away picture posting after some nutter posted loads of child sexual abuse images.

What does it matter for us to see what his shoes look like?

Goodnightelizabethgoodnight · 06/02/2025 12:14

If it was me and it meant walking over a huge muddy field to get home 10 minutes sooner or go the long way and not have to wash the shoes so i could "get an extra 5 minutes of tik tok" i'd cross the muddy field every time.

Then there needs to be a bigger incentive than 5 minutes of tik tok. It's also illogical as he'll get home ten minutes sooner, but if he were my child he'd be spending those ten minutes cleaning his shoes AND he'd not get the bloody tik tok or whatever it is.

It's not difficult to get a child to wash their shoes. You're teaching him to be responsible.

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 12:08

how do i upload a pic of the shoes

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PurpleThistle7 · 06/02/2025 11:15

Messiness is different than deliberately ruining things. My kids are 8/12 and I would 100% take their money to replace anything they ruined on purpose - or have them fix it of course. It will just fray and get worse and worse - and he will keep doing it. Stains and mud I don't care about - our school grounds are super muddy and my kids are super active so stains are unavoidable and I don't have the interest in replacing things each week. But absolutely no interest in my children cutting their clothes apart - that's awful behaviour. But this is a problem for you and your husband to sort out together, it's not your problem to fix alone

Octavia64 · 06/02/2025 11:09

You can buy fidget toys in key rings which go in rucksacks of pencil cases. They aren't obviously fidget stuff either - my DD has most recently got a mini Rubik's cube and popit.

The shoes - if you care (I wouldn't) buy a second pair. Non fabric shoes cope with mud better because you can just wipe it off. My DD had docs which she loved.

Agree with adhd - my DD has Audhd.

stayathomer · 06/02/2025 11:08

Op two things- you keep saying you and ds will work on it etc, include your dh too, he’s the one who wanted to try and sort the scruffiness issues out and while my dh is the same and can seem too strict to me, we work better with the two heads on us than me trying to figure it out alone.

Secondly a few rolled their eyes that it bothered your dh that your ds might be seen as the poor child- we weren’t poor when I was in school but I was a shy scruffy girl who didn’t care about appearance and a few comments were aimed at me like ‘would your parents not buy you a new jumper’ or ‘can your parents not afford a brush’ (I had mad frizzy hair!). Kids unfortunately do comment on these things and I wasn’t strong enough to do anything but pretend to laugh along and get out of there.

LeaderBee · 06/02/2025 11:00

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 10:55

it doesnt change the time, he and his mates just like squelching on the grass that is next to the pavement

again though, it doesnt bother me. if something like that makes him happy, well, life is tough enough, why would i take that away.

I think DH (and perhaps some other parents here) would though, for the sake of not having muddy shoes

Oh they for sure would, my mum used to send me to school in jumpers she'd knitted from what was probably a knitting pattern book from the 70's on non-uniform days "because it's trendy, and you're not going to school looking like those other scruffs"

This was between 1997 - 2002 by the way.

imagine the bullying from literally everyone when you turn up in the latest fashion from winter 1977 and corduroy trousers.

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 11:00

(and rather OT - does everyone really teach their children to mow the lawn? I barely mow the lawn!)

What I have taught him recently is a basic P & L for a small business he has set up. And how to manage orders.

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EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 10:57

Onlyvisiting · 06/02/2025 10:51

It really does sound like there is something else going on here. Can you talk to the school about him having some kind of fidget toy for his hands or just a notebook for doodling in? Fine not to draw in his school books or on homework but banning it totally seems a bit ridiculous to me.

couldnt agree more

they see it as not paying attention, its daft, i know full well that doodling helps him (and me, and DD) to focus more

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EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 10:56

UnbeatenMum · 06/02/2025 10:42

My autistic DD used to do this (cut or pick holes in clothes, scrape shoes, write on walls etc) and DS bites through his. Personally I do replace everything but I claim DLA for both of them and use this money. It was actually part of my claim for DD, I went into detail about extra costs compared to a typical child. DD is 13 now and I haven't had to replace anything due to cutting for ages.

I need to do a claim for DD, the amount of clothes she ruins through biting and picking is unreal. Plus all the other additional costs. She is 10 and was DX in Sept, i'm still getting my head round it all.

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EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 10:55

LeaderBee · 06/02/2025 10:53

Dunno,

If it was me and it meant walking over a huge muddy field to get home 10 minutes sooner or go the long way and not have to wash the shoes so i could "get an extra 5 minutes of tik tok" i'd cross the muddy field every time.

Especially in the cold.

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it doesnt change the time, he and his mates just like squelching on the grass that is next to the pavement

again though, it doesnt bother me. if something like that makes him happy, well, life is tough enough, why would i take that away.

I think DH (and perhaps some other parents here) would though, for the sake of not having muddy shoes

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EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 10:53

NeverDropYourMooncup · 06/02/2025 10:51

Yeah, so did mine. Then her father went ballistic at the arm doodles when she went to stay with him for contact - and then the large sheet of paper on the wardrobe panel - and then decreed that everything had to be perfect, clothes, body, room because it was wilful destruction of his property.

Fortunately, a friend got her to hospital about two months later when it all came to a head.

Life's been far kinder to her since she was diagnosed.

"then decreed that everything had to be perfect, clothes, body, room because it was wilful destruction of his property."

How much pressure did that put her under? I don't want to add even more pressure to DS. Whether others think he isn't doing enough or not, I think he is doing life at a level I'm happy with and that he can manage, at least for now.

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LeaderBee · 06/02/2025 10:53

INeedAnotherName · 06/02/2025 00:59

Get your child to clean his own shoes every night because once he realises what a pain it is especially when you could be watching tv/tiktok/fun stuff he will start to be more careful in not getting them as muddy in the first place. Actions and consequences. I was cleaning my own shoes when I was 8 btw.

If DH insists on having the clothes mended then DH can sew them. If he's bad at sewing then he will just have to learn how to do it better or stop complaining. Moaning and consequences 😉

and of course, as long as it doesn't bother DS)
Actions and consequences again. It it bothers him then he needs to stop ruining his clothes, he is no longer a baby. Parents are supposed to raise their child to be independent, kind and consider others - and sometimes this involves "life lessons". You stand your ground here, you are teaching your son something valuable.

Dunno,

If it was me and it meant walking over a huge muddy field to get home 10 minutes sooner or go the long way and not have to wash the shoes so i could "get an extra 5 minutes of tik tok" i'd cross the muddy field every time.

Especially in the cold.

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 10:51

OK, so, thank you all SO much for your replies. As is typical with MN, what seems like a basic issue eventually becomes much deeper as it's explored.

I do think he has ADHD. whether a diagnosis will help depends on how school react.

I'm going to speak to the SENCO and go from there. Fidgeting seems to be the main result so I'll find out what support he can be offered.

I'll speak to DS again about what he feels would benefit him more in class and put some more fidget toys into his pencil case. He loves a fidget toy and has a great 3D printed one that is unobtrusive. Will also give him blutack and maybe a couple of elastics.

And I'm going to sew his jumper, and DS can watch and learn while i do it. I'll make it clear again that intentional damage is not acceptable.

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Onlyvisiting · 06/02/2025 10:51

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 10:43

All the time, he is basically in boxers at home. No cutting.

I am thinking he needs a diagnosis, this has solidified it even more.

He is also very good at sharing his feelings, heart on his (inky) sleeve that boy. I do believe that it is boredom in class and nothing more.

In fairness to DS, he wants to doodle in his book but is constantly stopped.

It really does sound like there is something else going on here. Can you talk to the school about him having some kind of fidget toy for his hands or just a notebook for doodling in? Fine not to draw in his school books or on homework but banning it totally seems a bit ridiculous to me.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 06/02/2025 10:51

EwwwwwwDavid · 06/02/2025 10:43

All the time, he is basically in boxers at home. No cutting.

I am thinking he needs a diagnosis, this has solidified it even more.

He is also very good at sharing his feelings, heart on his (inky) sleeve that boy. I do believe that it is boredom in class and nothing more.

In fairness to DS, he wants to doodle in his book but is constantly stopped.

Yeah, so did mine. Then her father went ballistic at the arm doodles when she went to stay with him for contact - and then the large sheet of paper on the wardrobe panel - and then decreed that everything had to be perfect, clothes, body, room because it was wilful destruction of his property.

Fortunately, a friend got her to hospital about two months later when it all came to a head.

Life's been far kinder to her since she was diagnosed.