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Every day waking up to yet another insane declaration from Trump. America is losing the respect of the world

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100A · 05/02/2025 16:51

It's like a parallel universe - how did America come to this? So now he plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza we are told - to create the 'Riviera of the Middle East.' A golf course and hotels probably. The £2 million people can just go wherever. Wtf! AIBU to think America is imploding in on itself?

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Mooey89 · 05/02/2025 18:39

I honestly just can’t understand how he is allowed such untapped power.
It is absolutely terrifying. I can’t see how this won’t end in war.

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2025 18:36

HeddaGarbled · 05/02/2025 17:42

We knew he was going to be like this. He knows most of it won’t happen. It’s to wind up the liberals and rev up his supporters. The best thing we could all do is pay him no attention. I know it’s difficult when it’s all over the media but you don’t have to read the detail. Catch a headline, roll your eyes, get on with your life. You’ll feel better for it.

You know he's letting unelected Elon Musk loose on very important govt software?

squidgie · 05/02/2025 18:36

Echobelly · 05/02/2025 18:08

This is what worries me too.

I think it's likely that global capital, including Musk and his now-unashamed-propaganda engine are gearing up to do everything they can to make sure the UK elects an oligarch-friendly neo-fascist at the next elections.

My only hope is that it's as well our elections were shortly before the US, hopefully it can be pointed out how Godawful things are there. And they will be.

I mean, they'll be great for billionaires and big businesses who will probably turn ever more massive profits; bad for the middle classes and actively dangerous to women, the poor, people of colour and LGBTQ+ people.

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I've been saying this on a couple of discussions and some posters have seen fit to insert passive aggressive laughing emojis.

I despair, I really do.

coldcallerbaiter · 05/02/2025 18:34

Loveumagenta · 05/02/2025 17:48

He’s fucking bananas and I don’t see how any of this is going to Make ordinary Americans any richer which is presumably why they voted for him. Though he is chucking people out of the country pretty sharpish which is pleasing a lot of MAGAs.

I think he has got carried away with his ideas. It is meddling and whilst the British division had good intentions, we are in a different era now. Let the Israelis handle it themselves, I don’t hold out much hope of peace now. Americans have plenty of coastline to invest in. How does this benefit them? American taxpayers won’t want to invest in this piece of land. So he wants businesses to invest? The Palestinians would benefit from a cash injection and jobs, but they would resent it too, This riviera of the Middle East would get bombed to high heaven by terrorists /freedom fighters anyway

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2025 18:33

Locutus2000 · 05/02/2025 17:48

Every thread there's a bunch of early posts castigating the OP for daring to have a concern.

Same people who complain about being silenced.

He isn't about ordinary Americans, he's about rich Americans

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/02/2025 18:29

He's an embarrassing disgrace who will be as brilliant for America as Boris Johnson was for the UK.🙈

Humdingerydoo · 05/02/2025 18:29

Bobbingtons · 05/02/2025 18:18

Israel had always been open about it's end game, no Palestinians at all in Israel. Certainly that's been the stated aim of the right wing government forever, it's not like they have hidden the fact and the state sanctioned murder of West Bank citizens is happening every day now.

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This is incorrect. There are plenty of Palestinians in Israel. They are a large part of the Arab population in Israel which numbers 20ish% of the Israeli population.

Inmydreams88 · 05/02/2025 18:28

None of what he is saying will happen, Canada, Gaza….its all to distract from what he’s actually doing, or what Musk is doing.

MrsWinkly · 05/02/2025 18:28

Today was off the wall.
Had my mouth open listening to him talk about Gaza as though it was a bit of desert that needed some 'Las Vegas' casino treatment.
Honestly can't understand where we're all headed any more. Feels fucking ominous.

Greywhippet · 05/02/2025 18:27

Cerial · 05/02/2025 18:23

It’s interesting to see actual changes happening, the changes that were voted for. Getting criminals without proper immigration out … would like to see that happen in UK.

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You mean like it already does? Under the automatic deportation law?

Locutus2000 · 05/02/2025 18:26

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2025 18:22

You don't think what happens there could affect us here?

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It's this weird thing where people who 'don't care' waste their energy coming on threads to tell everyone they don't care so neither should anyone else.

Just skip the Trump threads folk.

Locutus2000 · 05/02/2025 18:25

Cerial · 05/02/2025 18:23

It’s interesting to see actual changes happening, the changes that were voted for. Getting criminals without proper immigration out … would like to see that happen in UK.

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Nobody voted for occupying Gaza.

Cerial · 05/02/2025 18:23

100A · 05/02/2025 16:51

It's like a parallel universe - how did America come to this? So now he plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza we are told - to create the 'Riviera of the Middle East.' A golf course and hotels probably. The £2 million people can just go wherever. Wtf! AIBU to think America is imploding in on itself?

It’s interesting to see actual changes happening, the changes that were voted for. Getting criminals without proper immigration out … would like to see that happen in UK.

Greywhippet · 05/02/2025 18:23

XWKD · 05/02/2025 18:18

Definitely. I hate this "leader of the free world" bullshit.

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I suppose it depends how much you think a rules based order in the world matters or international law and stuff

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2025 18:22

Bewareofthisonetoo · 05/02/2025 17:47

He was elected by Americans to serve America. Really doesn’t matter what any of us overseas think -he is not our leader.

You don't think what happens there could affect us here?

Greywhippet · 05/02/2025 18:22

suburberphobe · 05/02/2025 18:13

now he plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza we are told

Poor choice of words.....

He wants the Palestinians from Gaza to be replaced to Jordan and Egypt.

Yes, he's totally off his rocker. God help the world.

That is ethnic cleansing, so ethnic cleansing is therefore an accurate and not a poor choice of words

Parker231 · 05/02/2025 18:18

TempestTost · 05/02/2025 17:59

I don't think a lot of what Trump says is meant literally. Often it's very notional and undeveloped, or deliberately hyperbolic, but I don't think it's always as far out as people might think.

Most of his stuff about Canada isn't, for example, it's about negotiating the deal he wants. He's said that he means an economic union, which I suppose might look something like the EU, though the US is so much bigger they would inevitably be running the show.

The Gaza proposal - I don't know, at this point, what is the end-game for Israel? Frankly, it's difficult to see how there will be a place for Palestinians to live when they are done. Golf courses, however, don't seem probable.

With Canada and Mexico he’s got the same deal on tariffs which were already in place!

Bobbingtons · 05/02/2025 18:18

TempestTost · 05/02/2025 17:59

I don't think a lot of what Trump says is meant literally. Often it's very notional and undeveloped, or deliberately hyperbolic, but I don't think it's always as far out as people might think.

Most of his stuff about Canada isn't, for example, it's about negotiating the deal he wants. He's said that he means an economic union, which I suppose might look something like the EU, though the US is so much bigger they would inevitably be running the show.

The Gaza proposal - I don't know, at this point, what is the end-game for Israel? Frankly, it's difficult to see how there will be a place for Palestinians to live when they are done. Golf courses, however, don't seem probable.

Israel had always been open about it's end game, no Palestinians at all in Israel. Certainly that's been the stated aim of the right wing government forever, it's not like they have hidden the fact and the state sanctioned murder of West Bank citizens is happening every day now.

XWKD · 05/02/2025 18:18

Bewareofthisonetoo · 05/02/2025 17:47

He was elected by Americans to serve America. Really doesn’t matter what any of us overseas think -he is not our leader.

Definitely. I hate this "leader of the free world" bullshit.

Reallybadidea · 05/02/2025 18:16

I would recommend the BBC podcast The Coming Storm to understand (a bit) how we got here. Although with the caveat that it's absolutely terrifying and makes me feel quite bleak about the future for democracy.

StandFirm · 05/02/2025 18:13

Again, I suspect the aim is to make authoritarian leaders seem sane in comparison. This is ideological. We are watching the suicide of liberal democracies. I think it's deliberate - to desensitise all of us (and remove any notion of 'normal')

suburberphobe · 05/02/2025 18:13

now he plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza we are told

Poor choice of words.....

He wants the Palestinians from Gaza to be replaced to Jordan and Egypt.

Yes, he's totally off his rocker. God help the world.

TheTecknician · 05/02/2025 18:10

Donald Trump is many things but he just isn't a statesman. He has become a parody of himself.

Greywhippet · 05/02/2025 18:10

HeddaGarbled · 05/02/2025 17:42

We knew he was going to be like this. He knows most of it won’t happen. It’s to wind up the liberals and rev up his supporters. The best thing we could all do is pay him no attention. I know it’s difficult when it’s all over the media but you don’t have to read the detail. Catch a headline, roll your eyes, get on with your life. You’ll feel better for it.

I think this is really naive.
What he says matters because it changes the global conversation.
On the news right now they are asking ‘is Trumps Gaza plan possible? could it be done’ on the bloody BBC of all places

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 05/02/2025 18:09

Canadian here and terrified.

I think he is looking to destabilize the Middle East, which will result in terrorist attacks on American soil, and then use that fear to further remove American rights in the name of protecting them.

Elon is fucking crazy and he is looking for complete chaos and anarchy.