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Every day waking up to yet another insane declaration from Trump. America is losing the respect of the world

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100A · 05/02/2025 16:51

It's like a parallel universe - how did America come to this? So now he plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza we are told - to create the 'Riviera of the Middle East.' A golf course and hotels probably. The £2 million people can just go wherever. Wtf! AIBU to think America is imploding in on itself?

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ColourBlueColourPurple · 05/02/2025 20:51

What has he actually said about Gaza? I thought he wanted America to take control and oversee it's rebuilding. People here are talking about him turning it into some kind of Vegas with golf courses etc. Has he actually said that?

Cantonet · 05/02/2025 20:50

This is a real life implosion of the West.
He was voted in. The second of two very obviously unsuited presidents for one reason or another. We do get the presidents we deserve. Welcome to a complete turn around of the worlds superpower. Russia & China are laughing ...

EasternStandard · 05/02/2025 20:50

Hazeby · 05/02/2025 20:16

The US troops are going to be very busy. They’ve got to invade Panama, Greenland, Canada and Gaza all in the next four years. The overtime bill will be immense.

I'm not sure the changes wanted will require US troops

Humdingerydoo · 05/02/2025 20:50

Cerial · 05/02/2025 20:32

People whose homes destroyed in LA are can’t return to destroyed homes because it’s not safe. I see parallel with Palestinians… how can a person return to a block of flats that is collapsed? Like asking people to return to Grenfell.
Its common sense to evacuate for large scale redevelopment … America is not paying to rebuild Palestine.

But the home owners who lost their homes in LA still own their land. Anything they rebuild is theirs. Anything Trump builds in Gaza will belong to Trump.

Gymnopedie · 05/02/2025 20:49

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/02/2025 20:37

Wait for the rules to change, along with term limits.

Before the election, Trump couldn't see any possible outcome other than a win for him. So even before he was in office he was talking about amending the constitution so that he could serve a third term. And I absolutely wouldn't bet on him not trying at some point.

Or changing the rules for a US citizen, not necessarily native born, to be President.

Seriouslynonono · 05/02/2025 20:46

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/02/2025 20:33

Fuck. Fuckity fuckity fuck.

That's sinister.

This is a very fast paced and terrifying takeover isn't it.

Perhaps this is what the tariff fiasco was smoke-screening.

CdcRuben · 05/02/2025 20:44

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wordler · 05/02/2025 20:43

In 2017, Steve Bannon, advisor to Donald Trump, called it "flood the zone," literally "inundate the zone," overwhelm the opposition, institutions, and the media with an unstoppable torrent of announcements, measures, and decisions.

So many, so relevant, crucial, and often illegal or unconstitutional that touch a nerve, overwhelm, and make a strong or effective response impossible.

When congressmen or senators try to focus on one, three more come down on them. When courts halt one, others arrive. When the media investigate or delve into an appointment, a dismissal, they helplessly watch as the rest pass without obstacles.

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2025 20:43

Livelovebehappy · 05/02/2025 19:24

But surely having a roof over their heads, running water, an actual infrastructure, is preferable to what they already have, which is absolutely nothing. The place is now just a pile of rubble. The Palestinians won’t give a jot who is their ‘landlord’ if they’ve got homes to go to, and not tents.

Ok. Same thing happens here and you're shipped off to...I don't know...Australia. That ok with you?

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2025 20:41

Livelovebehappy · 05/02/2025 19:24

But surely having a roof over their heads, running water, an actual infrastructure, is preferable to what they already have, which is absolutely nothing. The place is now just a pile of rubble. The Palestinians won’t give a jot who is their ‘landlord’ if they’ve got homes to go to, and not tents.

And there are already pledges from countries other than America to get in and help them rebuild.

If you think once they're moved out they'll be allowed back in...

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/02/2025 20:37

delvan · 05/02/2025 19:32

Was Musk born in America, I think it was South Africa. But I suppose that prerequisite for candidacy for POTUS could be changed. Watch this space.

Wait for the rules to change, along with term limits.

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/02/2025 20:33

Fuck. Fuckity fuckity fuck.

That's sinister.

Turkeyneck101 · 05/02/2025 20:32

Trump is trying to distract the world from all the moves he is making to initiate the possibility of a 3rd term. Whether he will literally be fit for it of course is debatable, but his megalomaniac brain wants the power and control.

He also wants to distract from his utterly disastrous tarriff war and the mess he made if it. The art of the deal guy negotiated nothing new with Canada and less patrols from Mexico (no matter what the republicans try to say) it illustrated how little he knows. To top it all he 'negotiated' a deal with Panama to allow US ships to use the Panama Canal ...which are too big to pass through the Panama canal. He is an idiot but a very dangerous one.

All that is happening is straight out of Project 2025 a rascist fascist document if ever there was one.

Elon Musk is an unhinged loon who isn't quite as bright according to those who have worked with him and who is as thin skinned as trump himself. For all his talk about free speech he doesn't like it when the free speech is about him.

What the UK has to worry about is that the right wingers and uneducated in the UK ( see the US comparison) just see trump as being strong, fighting for his country and being isolationist. Which is all very well until.there is a disaster and suddenly they need some outside help...see LA fires where Mexican and Canadian firefighters stepped in.

If you listen to enough podcasts and read the comment sections, or listen to callers on LBC there are plenty of people out there who admire the orange nut job. They don't care about womans rights they just see that Starmer isn't what they want, so Farage is the next best thing. Thankfully he has fallen foul of Musk otherwise Elon would be raiding the treasury with his whipping boys.

Cerial · 05/02/2025 20:32

Humdingerydoo · 05/02/2025 18:53

So you think any hypothetical profits would be given to the Palestinians? The ones he's said will be made to leave?

People whose homes destroyed in LA are can’t return to destroyed homes because it’s not safe. I see parallel with Palestinians… how can a person return to a block of flats that is collapsed? Like asking people to return to Grenfell.
Its common sense to evacuate for large scale redevelopment … America is not paying to rebuild Palestine.

JayJayEl · 05/02/2025 20:31

XWKD · 05/02/2025 18:18

Definitely. I hate this "leader of the free world" bullshit.

Except he is arguably the most powerful man on the planet. All that is happening in America WILL affect us at some point down the line. Especially considering us British are still, on paper, allies.

delvan · 05/02/2025 20:30

Cerial · 05/02/2025 20:26

Musk was not born in America, so ineligible to be President. (And not a citizen by birth)

The Constitution could be changed though. Anything is possible with the terrible twins.

Porcuporpoise · 05/02/2025 20:26

Livelovebehappy · 05/02/2025 20:01

He’s temporarily relocating them to other countries whilst Gaza is being rebuilt. Not by himself or Americans, but with the assistance of other Arab countries, if he can get them onboard. As it is currently, Gaza is like a gigantic refugee camp - with a lot of homeless people. What do others think should be done here? Hamas should in theory be rebuilding, but we all know they won’t.

Maybe he should offer them American citizenship?

Cerial · 05/02/2025 20:26

Gymnopedie · 05/02/2025 19:29

What I really fear is that Musk is being set up to be the next President. Either by himself or by Trump, by him having an inside track to government. And if he manages not to completely crash America I can see the Republicans might well go for it. Trump has been a winner for them, Musk would be Trump mk2.

Musk is a very very dangerous loose canon. He could (you wouldn't think it was possible) be worse than the Orange One.

Musk was not born in America, so ineligible to be President. (And not a citizen by birth)

Seriouslynonono · 05/02/2025 20:26

Mumtobabyhavoc · 05/02/2025 20:18

Respectfully, that view is arrogant. I'm not trying to start anything with you, just trying to point out the people deserve a say. They claim that land. They don't want a landlord, nor an American demagogue as a saviour. iykwim

They've never had a say in anything though. I can't see that changing anytime soon to be honest.
And they must be beyond mentally and physically shattered now.

Personally I would take my chances with a tent rather than be beholden to Trump. But that's me. I have no idea what I would settle for if I'd just been bombed, chased and hunted for 18 months.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 05/02/2025 20:25

Hazeby · 05/02/2025 20:16

The US troops are going to be very busy. They’ve got to invade Panama, Greenland, Canada and Gaza all in the next four years. The overtime bill will be immense.

Esp considering he's just signed a hiring freeze and an order for wfh employees to rtw in office even if their wfh arrangement pre-dated Covid. They could lose a lot of employees.

Cerial · 05/02/2025 20:23

Parker231 · 05/02/2025 18:51

With ethnic cleansing ??

I must have missed that announcement … are the Palestinians getting rid of the Israelis???

User37482 · 05/02/2025 20:22

I think it’s opening bid, say you are going to invade gaza, (no intention of doing it) scare everyone to the negotiating table.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 05/02/2025 20:19

Radyward · 05/02/2025 19:03

So since Trump was inaugurated he has at break neck speed
Sent troops to the border.
Stopped catch and release
Sent a clear message to illegal aliens and illegal criminals
Declared war on the drug gangs.
Negotiated an agreement with Mexico to at least attempt to stop the drugs crossing into usa.
Called out Trudeau for his lax attitude to illegal drugs and got a result in that canada will reinforce the border.
Set into law the Laken Reilly act.
Has started cost cutting in all govt depts. And calling outridiculous wastage of tax payers money . Sorry when have we heard those words here.
Wants people back to the office to increase productivity. ( I'm all for that )
The politicians are always at the trough . What have the dems really being doing with USAID
Seems a bit of money laundering going on
This is totally refreshing as a voter.
As for Gaza,
I mean why should trillions of dollars be thrown at gaza for it to obliterated again and again.i think we need to wait and see what happens. If the usa were in Gaza that's it hopefully peace. In actual fact I am enjoying a non career politician working the govt as a business and having respect for the American tax payers.he is America first and has never started any war in his last 4 years. He certainly does not want US deaths so let's wait and see.
If the same thing is done to " help" gaza again sure it will be back to square one in no time
What was instigated before does NOT work. Its a total-hi% hole .needs to be leveled is right Hamas are evil personified plus they
depend on the world defending gaza and you know what if clearing it stops senseless violence so be it

Anyone follow Riley Gaines??
She is delighted he has brought into law no men in women's sports. To me common sense is prevailing and DEI which was completely ridiculous is being replaced ny people getting jobs on merit. He is calling a halt on trans ideology

See crime rates down in NYC. Funny how goos America with real leadership and not a puppet is coming across.
He is refreshing . I must admit Gaza floored me but I hate Hamas so hey let's pull the rug from under their terrorist arses and see what happens.

Canada had already agreed to that in December. We didn’t add anything that wasn’t already set in motion.

Trump literally gained nothing other than inspiring a bunch of Canadians to be more patriotic.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 05/02/2025 20:18

Seriouslynonono · 05/02/2025 19:55

True

Respectfully, that view is arrogant. I'm not trying to start anything with you, just trying to point out the people deserve a say. They claim that land. They don't want a landlord, nor an American demagogue as a saviour. iykwim

YourHappyJadeEagle · 05/02/2025 20:18

If he wasn’t such a danger to the world I’d say he’s just like the worst attention seeking child you sometimes get in a class. Don’t care what attention they get, how negative it is, as long as they get attention. It’s almost like an addiction with Trump.