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Every day waking up to yet another insane declaration from Trump. America is losing the respect of the world

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100A · 05/02/2025 16:51

It's like a parallel universe - how did America come to this? So now he plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza we are told - to create the 'Riviera of the Middle East.' A golf course and hotels probably. The £2 million people can just go wherever. Wtf! AIBU to think America is imploding in on itself?

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Parker231 · 05/02/2025 21:20

BusyExpert · 05/02/2025 21:15

IMO you are very wrong. He is saving the world from the fatuous nonsense of the far left

Trump is nonsense - creates turmoil in the stock markets, makes false claims about tariffs and taking other countries. He won’t follow through on his election promises and everything which goes wrong is someone else’s fault!

LastTrainsEast · 05/02/2025 21:20

"I think Trump has every intention of essentially committing genocide in Gaza"

Yes, but without the killing all the people part.

Which is fine because these days anyone can have a genocide without any deaths at all. Genocide now means "doing things I don't agree with"

We don't know the details of President Trump's plans for Gaza/Palestine, but I do know that doing nothing will be disastrous for the people of Palestine.

In a few weeks Hamas will attack again and take more hostages. Israel will mount another rescue mission. People at UK dinner parties will argue again that letting the terrorists keep the hostages is the way to peace - though none of them will offer to let Hamas have their own children to make it even more peaceful.

A few more cycles like this and there will be no Palestinians left. Hamas will survive and sneak across the border when it gets too sticky and begin again with another population.

Or Trump can try something different.

HPFA · 05/02/2025 21:16

EasternStandard · 05/02/2025 20:50

I'm not sure the changes wanted will require US troops

How do you think 2 million people get forced out of their homes?

BusyExpert · 05/02/2025 21:15

IMO you are very wrong. He is saving the world from the fatuous nonsense of the far left

Ilovemytulips · 05/02/2025 21:15

What he has done, which must have been unintended, is exposed that US weapons used by Israel has made Gaza uninhabitable to some extent.

You know the point that human rights groups have been shouting from the roof tops for months but not taken seriously by our governments.

squidgie · 05/02/2025 21:14

Trump and Elon will continue to meddle in UK politics and Elon will use his immense power in social media and never ending billions to engineer Farage as our new PM. The rational papers are already reporting how Farage thinks the Gaza idea is good. As if he wasn't a raving racist idiot 🙄and ignoring the fact that most people who's IQ is higher than their shoe size don't care what he thinks.

Exactly. People should wake up to this now.

Drfosters · 05/02/2025 21:13

But this is trump’s MO. He’s been very open about how he negotiates. He is a hard negotiator.

he goes in with an extreme demand. He knows he won’t get it. Greenland/Canada/Gaza- whatever it is. They sound stupid and crazy but he does it to destabilise those he is negotiating with. The craziness puts people on edge - they don’t know what he will do.

clearly then the negotiations start happening and Trump concedes ground and somewhere he gets hopefully what he wants. For instance, I don’t think for a minute Trump expected to buy Greenland. But he wants the key artic influence. He’ll end up with extra influence in the area.

the key to Trump is not his first grandstanding demand. Look at what he really wants…

elp30 · 05/02/2025 21:13

I'm a first and second generation American.
My father was born and raised in Mexico, as well as all four of my grandparents.
I am also dark-skinned, as is my oldest son.
We have lived in our neighborhood for the past 17 years and as of the past few weeks, taking a leisurely walk has elicited strange looks and the occasional question: "Do you live in this neighborhood?"
Interesting that they have never asked the actual immigrant, my English husband who is on a green card, if he actually lives in the neighborhood.
I have to remind myself, and our son, that we need to always carry our US passports whenever we go anywhere.
It's truly sad.

HPFA · 05/02/2025 21:13

Livelovebehappy · 05/02/2025 20:01

He’s temporarily relocating them to other countries whilst Gaza is being rebuilt. Not by himself or Americans, but with the assistance of other Arab countries, if he can get them onboard. As it is currently, Gaza is like a gigantic refugee camp - with a lot of homeless people. What do others think should be done here? Hamas should in theory be rebuilding, but we all know they won’t.

He hasn't said its temporary and even if he did why would any sane person trust him?

Mrsbloggz · 05/02/2025 21:11

I think Trump is too wily to have chosen generals capable of usurping him.

LastTrainsEast · 05/02/2025 21:10

"He's getting into their systems and replacing their code. There is no knowing what he's accessing and what he's going to change"

Which is right up there with "You don't know what they put in them there vaccines! I've heard about that 5G!"

Trump said "elect me and I will do these things" and the American people elected him. Then to the surprise of the rest of the world he started keeping his promises.

I get why that shocks people. Labour made big promises too and the day after they got in the excuses began.

You may choose to hate the majority of the American people for their choice, but it is their choice and they are celebrating a very successful week.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 05/02/2025 21:10

Bobbingtons · 05/02/2025 18:18

Israel had always been open about it's end game, no Palestinians at all in Israel. Certainly that's been the stated aim of the right wing government forever, it's not like they have hidden the fact and the state sanctioned murder of West Bank citizens is happening every day now.

I think this is true and I think Trump has every intention of essentially committing genocide in Gaza. I think this will destabilize the middle East and potentially herald a war. I think Netanyhu is emboldened by the Trump administration and will prepare for war with the US at its side.

Trump and Elon will continue to meddle in UK politics and Elon will use his immense power in social media and never ending billions to engineer Farage as our new PM. The rational papers are already reporting how Farage thinks the Gaza idea is good. As if he wasn't a raving racist idiot 🙄and ignoring the fact that most people who's IQ is higher than their shoe size don't care what he thinks.

I utterly despair. There is actually no country to run towards. We're doomed.

Randomusername37258 · 05/02/2025 21:08

It's a distraction. What is being done while this gets all the coverage?

ColourBlueColourPurple · 05/02/2025 21:05

Who will rebuild Gaza if America doesn't step in? Genuine question. Where would they get the money? International aid agencies?

ColourBlueColourPurple · 05/02/2025 21:03

Ilovemytulips · 05/02/2025 20:57

Yes, he actually has.

What a destination to add to his current collection of luxury golf resorts, The Trump, Gaza Strip...

Ilovemytulips · 05/02/2025 21:02

I am dismayed, but not surprised that many of his supporters haven't had their eyes opened yet.

ShapedLikeAPastry · 05/02/2025 21:02

ColourBlueColourPurple · 05/02/2025 20:51

What has he actually said about Gaza? I thought he wanted America to take control and oversee it's rebuilding. People here are talking about him turning it into some kind of Vegas with golf courses etc. Has he actually said that?

He has called it the 'new Riviera'. There have long been deeply unpleasant mutterings about the 'prime coastal real estate' of Gaza.

Trump has just said the quiet part out loud today (perhaps why Netanyahu looked a little surprised at the press conference).

He's a repulsive, senile old fool. However, I don't expect this offensive and insane plan will actually go anywhere. Much more worrying is what Musk and Vance are getting up to in the background whilst the world loses its shit over Trump's latest batshit ramblings.

AusMumhere · 05/02/2025 21:01

Bewareofthisonetoo · 05/02/2025 17:47

He was elected by Americans to serve America. Really doesn’t matter what any of us overseas think -he is not our leader.

Thats incredibly naive

HappyNewFeckingYear · 05/02/2025 20:58

ColourBlueColourPurple · 05/02/2025 20:51

What has he actually said about Gaza? I thought he wanted America to take control and oversee it's rebuilding. People here are talking about him turning it into some kind of Vegas with golf courses etc. Has he actually said that?

Alongside Benjamin Netanyahu, Donald Trump suggested the US could “own” the Gaza Strip and turn it into "the Riviera of the Middle East".

Which tallies with what Kushner said last year.

It would be very handy for the US to own some land in the ME. Other countries where the US have bases may not always be stable. Iraq will eventually want to see the back of the US. Cyprus is always an interesting situation. US may want to cut off funds to Israel at some point.
Having their own real-estate with a lovely Riviera development and a huge military base must be very appealing.

Trump only does stuff he think benefit him.

Ilovemytulips · 05/02/2025 20:57

ColourBlueColourPurple · 05/02/2025 20:51

What has he actually said about Gaza? I thought he wanted America to take control and oversee it's rebuilding. People here are talking about him turning it into some kind of Vegas with golf courses etc. Has he actually said that?

Yes, he actually has.

Ilovemytulips · 05/02/2025 20:56

He's crazy, do you think he will be impeached?
Also, I don't think many Israelis bar the extremists would approve of this either. What happens when he thinks there's not enough space in Gaza for his 'big' plans? Whose he coming for next?

It's madness.

Locutus2000 · 05/02/2025 20:54

Turkeyneck101 · 05/02/2025 20:32

Trump is trying to distract the world from all the moves he is making to initiate the possibility of a 3rd term. Whether he will literally be fit for it of course is debatable, but his megalomaniac brain wants the power and control.

He also wants to distract from his utterly disastrous tarriff war and the mess he made if it. The art of the deal guy negotiated nothing new with Canada and less patrols from Mexico (no matter what the republicans try to say) it illustrated how little he knows. To top it all he 'negotiated' a deal with Panama to allow US ships to use the Panama Canal ...which are too big to pass through the Panama canal. He is an idiot but a very dangerous one.

All that is happening is straight out of Project 2025 a rascist fascist document if ever there was one.

Elon Musk is an unhinged loon who isn't quite as bright according to those who have worked with him and who is as thin skinned as trump himself. For all his talk about free speech he doesn't like it when the free speech is about him.

What the UK has to worry about is that the right wingers and uneducated in the UK ( see the US comparison) just see trump as being strong, fighting for his country and being isolationist. Which is all very well until.there is a disaster and suddenly they need some outside help...see LA fires where Mexican and Canadian firefighters stepped in.

If you listen to enough podcasts and read the comment sections, or listen to callers on LBC there are plenty of people out there who admire the orange nut job. They don't care about womans rights they just see that Starmer isn't what they want, so Farage is the next best thing. Thankfully he has fallen foul of Musk otherwise Elon would be raiding the treasury with his whipping boys.

If you listen to enough podcasts and read the comment sections, or listen to callers on LBC there are plenty of people out there who admire the orange nut job.

I don't need to listen to LBC, there's enough of them here...

wordler · 05/02/2025 20:53

The overwhelm of constant declarations of all these insane ideas is part of a strategy to overwhelm the system.

Here’s Steve Bannon talking about it openly in 2018

This bit is at 1 hour 26 minute mark

CaveMum · 05/02/2025 20:52

wordler · 05/02/2025 20:43

In 2017, Steve Bannon, advisor to Donald Trump, called it "flood the zone," literally "inundate the zone," overwhelm the opposition, institutions, and the media with an unstoppable torrent of announcements, measures, and decisions.

So many, so relevant, crucial, and often illegal or unconstitutional that touch a nerve, overwhelm, and make a strong or effective response impossible.

When congressmen or senators try to focus on one, three more come down on them. When courts halt one, others arrive. When the media investigate or delve into an appointment, a dismissal, they helplessly watch as the rest pass without obstacles.

Exactly, this is straight out of the Bannon playbook. Though how this squares with the recent pissing contest between Musk and Bannon I don’t know.

Trump doesn’t give a shit about being President - his priorities are making as much money as possible and staying out of jail. Much like his buddy Netanyahu.