Every day waking up to yet another insane declaration from Trump. America is losing the respect of the world

How do they treat each other, the Palestinians? Hamas a fine example of how they treat each other … executing the homosexuals, etc

No @Humdingerydoo, I don't think there's anything odd or aggressive about asking someone for stats from a poster talking about numbers. I didn't pretend anything, I responded to the conversation I quoted.

You a bit sensitive?

I'm also American, and I can't imagine how it looks like anything but disaster for the country and the planet. Trump himself seems even crazier and a bit senile this time around, but the people around him are perfectly compos mentis (you can be a complete and utter shit and still be sane!), and they're hellbent on burning it all down. They've already begun with, e.g., killing USAID, snatching lifesaving medications away from entire countries where they're otherwise unavailable. Aside from the sheer evil of that move, you have to wonder if these idiots realise that we're all globally connected now, and that it's no longer possible to contain deathly diseases in poor countries where the people don't matter to American voters. Domestically - over and above the longer-term consequences of appointing RFK Jr to any position having to do with health! - withdrawing the US from the WHO coupled with suppressing information on (and taking zero steps to deal with) the coming bird-flu pandemic means that Trump could already have killed millions around the world by the end of his first year in office. And that's just one aspect of everything the MAGA crowd is doing, and arguably not even the most evil.

Do you have a link? I can't find it.

so why has this not been part of the negotiation? So what is your solution?

Constitutionally Musk could not run for President as he was not born in the US, but the US constitution’s not worth the paper it’s written on any more.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/katz-orders-idf-to-prepare-plan-enabling-gazans-to-leave-gaza-voluntarily/

"He says he has ordered the military to ready a plan by which any resident who wants it can emigrate to any place that agrees to absorb them."

This is not the same thing as what Trump was saying, but Trump's word salad has no doubt made him feel like it's an actual possibility worth now investigating.

Anyway, this is not the same thing as Ben Gvir's thing.

And just to reiterate - I'm very much for a two state solution and don't think any Palestinians should be made to leave. I'm not saying I'm for or against anything being mentioned on this thread, just clarifying what is actually being discussed.

No other country wants the problems or the terrorists. Can’t pretend the ME countries like each other, or want their people. It’s 360* hatred. .

No, that's not quite true either. They said US boots are not going to be on the ground so the IDF must start making plans for the 'voluntary emigration' of the Palestinians. That's the same 'voluntary emigration' that Ben Gvir has been pushing for almost from the start of the war.

I thought from all people Benny Gantz would have atleast objected to Trumps outlandish proposal but even he didn't. Why are all the top Israeli leaders pushing for it? That is what is scary.

In fairness to Trump, there is no solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict that doesn't require at least one side to be completely removed from the area. You can call it ethnic cleansing, although unlike most forms of ethnic cleansing it doesn't have to involve genocide.

Religion means neither side can leave the area voluntarily as they believe they are entitled to occupy it and the other side isn't.

You could remove this problem by eradicating the religions from the population but this would take thousands of years.

The alternatives are an unpalatable forced removal of one or both sides, either by killing them all or forcible relocation, or a continuation of the on/off conflict which flits between terrorist attacks and all-out warfare. There is no peaceful, just resolution that will be accepted by both sides.

Trump's mistake is that his proposal is very firmly in Israel's favour. A better solution would be for the US to occupy the whole of Israel/Palestine and force both parties out. Clear the whole area and force the population to relocate to a country that will accept them. The main benefit of this is both sides lose and (if any sense is applied) the evicted people will be transferred to countries far apart from one another.

The cleared territory could be filled with landmines to discourage either side trying to get back in, and be periodically bombarded from the air by the US military.

It’s interesting isn’t it why Egypt did not let in People trying to flee the bombings from Gaza, why is that?

Palestinians can only leave if Israel let them - they are basically in a prison. As none of the surrounding countries will take them, there is no where for them to leave to.
Hamas are hardly going to welcome the Americans in to rebuild - they’ll bomb them.

No, they're preparing to help those in Gaza who want to leave, to leave. Assuming there is somewhere willing to take them in. Stop unnecessarily scaremongering. Trump's suggestion was scary and unhinged enough as it is - there's no need to scare people even more by lying about what's actually happening

The Israel areas invaded on 7 October … the people needed to leave …. The ones that weren’t dead. Their homes destroyed …

Hamas terrorist lead Palestinians … they started a war and found out what happens.

How do refugees move out of anywhere? Maybe the women and children move out (a bit like Ukraine) and surrounding countries house them (a bit like Ukraine) and the men stay to rebuild under UN supervision

How are you going to look after people within the rubble? What you you going to do to take care of children whilst the area is rebuilt? What are you going to do to stop Hamas building back up to carry out further atrocities?

Do you think he has acting lessons on Xmas eve?

Exactly this. He’s selling you a pen worth a quid but he says it’s the best pen ever it’s brilliant and it’s £100. a couple of days later he says go on then £50 and you think you’ve a bargain, but you’ve paid £50 a pen that should be a £1.

he also sprinkles in a couple of things rooted in truth or that don’t sound unreasonable so Gaza to live in is awful poor people living there they need to move out whilst we get rid of all the bombs and rebuild it.

I do though find his speech pattern really childish and odd, the bits that aren’t scripted. Perhaps that’s why people like well a lot of them love him as he uses quite basic language, similar to what they’d use themselves?

The Israeli government have already asked the IDF to prepare plans for the Gazans leaving so I don't think it's all just bluff.
Politicians from democratic countries openly discussing plans for ethnic cleansing was not on my 2025 list 🥴

Well why is there no running water?
What repercussions are there for Israel, for turning Gaza into a demolition site with no running water and no sewerage system?

So what’s the alternative- that they all live on a building site? Are you ok with children living amongst rubble with no sewerage system/running water/shops? What are you wanting to happen to all those people? Maybe moving people out will also break up Hamas who caused all this in the first place - because until Hamas are got rid of the people of Gaza are always going to be under threat..