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Every day waking up to yet another insane declaration from Trump. America is losing the respect of the world

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100A · 05/02/2025 16:51

It's like a parallel universe - how did America come to this? So now he plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza we are told - to create the 'Riviera of the Middle East.' A golf course and hotels probably. The £2 million people can just go wherever. Wtf! AIBU to think America is imploding in on itself?

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Seriouslynonono · 08/02/2025 21:48

Abhannmor · 08/02/2025 21:32

I used to be a bit of a news junkie. Now I spend more time listening to ghost stories or podcasts about mysticism. And poetry. Got to preserve our sanity somehow!

oooh can you recommend a ghost story I can listen to please?

Abhannmor · 08/02/2025 21:32

I used to be a bit of a news junkie. Now I spend more time listening to ghost stories or podcasts about mysticism. And poetry. Got to preserve our sanity somehow!

JHound · 08/02/2025 14:47

pananamana · 08/02/2025 11:28

now known as "swasticars"

That’s amazing!

user44456b · 08/02/2025 12:54

Chickensilkie · 08/02/2025 12:35

@user44456b but I don't care about typos or grammar it was a genuine question and instead of again just taking me at face value you're carrying on.
I just wouldn't dream of pulling people up about typos etc as I said I hate the grammar police on here.

I did take it at face value, as I provided a good faith answer to your questions on the quotation marks. So, you're welcome.

I apologise for not realising you're someone completely devoid of a sense of humour. FFS

Adding, that I've just edited out a typo. Had I not, and had you pointed it out, I would have thought it was funny, given the conversation.

Chickensilkie · 08/02/2025 12:35

@user44456b but I don't care about typos or grammar it was a genuine question and instead of again just taking me at face value you're carrying on.
I just wouldn't dream of pulling people up about typos etc as I said I hate the grammar police on here.

Chickensilkie · 08/02/2025 12:26

@StandFirm there is /was a excellent documentary on the USA meddling in other countries, stating for instance the fact they let saddam gas the kurds and didn't intervene they were critiqued and other awful instances but also they come under fire when they do

pananamana · 08/02/2025 11:41

https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf

Declassified CIA manual on how to disrupt fascism, for those interested.

Apparently one of the most accessed documents in the last few weeks!

https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf

pananamana · 08/02/2025 11:28

Abhannmor · 08/02/2025 09:55

Sales of Tesla cars down 59% in Germany 63% France 75% Spain. The only language they understand.

now known as "swasticars"

user44456b · 08/02/2025 10:33

Chickensilkie · 08/02/2025 10:22

@user44456b not at all I fucking hate the gammer police on here I have none and can't spell so I understand the ott reaction to a simple innocent question

It wasn't OTT. I was just trying to explain the quote marks, in answer to your question, and just found the typo funny. No need to get in a twist.

StandFirm · 08/02/2025 10:27

Chickensilkie · 07/02/2025 22:02

@StandFirm agree but what is the soft power everyone hates the USA esp Muslim countries

Apologies if mentioned but apprently he wants to put pressure on Arab counties to sort out gaza

Edited

By soft power I meant not just cultural influence, which is waning anyway, but really essentially funding for education, health etc mostly through USAid (which provided a sizeable % of the budget for some countries, including Jordan).
As for Muslim countries hating the US, well it's not hard to see why they'd have such a complicated relationship with them. Personally, I think Iraq was the beginning of the end (but to be honest, US foreign policy has always been problematic, I am not an unconditional fan by any means)

Chickensilkie · 08/02/2025 10:22

@user44456b not at all I fucking hate the gammer police on here I have none and can't spell so I understand the ott reaction to a simple innocent question

user44456b · 08/02/2025 10:18

Chickensilkie · 08/02/2025 10:08

@Patterncarmen oh yes me too but I wasn't sure how much was bob? Did op quote bob then add her own sentiments?

I would (guess?) it's a transcription of something spoken. The quote marks at the beginning and end would imply that. The ones around words in the text should be single quotes, but it's still pretty clear that the poster didn't add anything.

beautiful is that all Rob, the quote marks are hard to follow.

Not that I mind, but it is slightly amusing to be calling out grammar with a typo 😅

Chickensilkie · 08/02/2025 10:08

@Patterncarmen oh yes me too but I wasn't sure how much was bob? Did op quote bob then add her own sentiments?

Abhannmor · 08/02/2025 09:55

Sales of Tesla cars down 59% in Germany 63% France 75% Spain. The only language they understand.

Patterncarmen · 08/02/2025 09:48

Chickensilkie · 07/02/2025 22:56

@StoneofDestiny beautiful is that all Rob, the quote marks are hard to follow.

Americans have different grammar rules on punctuation than the British. I’d imagine @StoneofDestiny cut and pasted it, for which I give thanks. I decided to concentrate on the message rather than the use of punctuation.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/02/2025 01:25

Watching Trump addressing a Republican dinner.

Today's message is:
One breakfast good.
Two breakfasts bad.
🫠🫠🫠

Totallymessed · 07/02/2025 23:13

PollyPaintsFlowers · 06/02/2025 20:08

What are people's thoughts on this post by Palestinian peace activist Bassem Eid?

It's his opinion. Tbh I would be surprised if it was shared by many Palestinians. I would think most would prefer to stay at home.

Totallymessed · 07/02/2025 23:10

Parker231 · 07/02/2025 13:09

Does the UK let in convicted felons?

I would imagine so, yes.

Another question could be whether the US allows immigrants from the UK who lie in their visa applications to stay in the country.... could be interesting!

Chickensilkie · 07/02/2025 22:56

@StoneofDestiny beautiful is that all Rob, the quote marks are hard to follow.

pananamana · 07/02/2025 22:44

StoneofDestiny · 07/02/2025 22:30

I hope those thinking of voting Reform realise that Farage worships Trump and clearly thinks he is a great leader! So scary.

Those thinking of voting Reform are as much a part of the MAGA cult as Trump voters.

StoneofDestiny · 07/02/2025 22:30

I hope those thinking of voting Reform realise that Farage worships Trump and clearly thinks he is a great leader! So scary.

StoneofDestiny · 07/02/2025 22:28

Robert De Niro’s statement on Trump is so very true

“I’ve spent a lot of time studying bad men. I’ve examined their characteristics, their mannerisms, the utter banality of their cruelty. Yet there’s something different about Donald Trump.

When I look at him, I don’t see a bad man. Truly.

I see an evil one.

Over the years, I’ve met gangsters here and there. This guy tries to be one, but he can’t quite pull it off. There’s such a thing as “honor among thieves.”

Yes, even criminals usually have a sense of right and wrong. Whether they do the right thing or not is a different story — but — they have a moral code, however warped.

Donald Trump does not. He’s a wannabe tough guy with no morals or ethics. No sense of right or wrong. No regard for anyone but himself — not the people he was supposed to lead and protect, not the people he does business with, not the people who follow him, blindly and loyally, not even the people who consider themselves his “friends.”

He has contempt for all of them.

We New Yorkers got to know him over the years that he poisoned the atmosphere and littered our city with monuments to his ego. We knew first hand that this was someone who should never be considered for leadership.

We tried to warn the world in 2016.

The repercussions of his turbulent presidency divided America and rattled New York City beyond imagination. Remember how we were jolted by crisis in early 2020, as a virus swept the world. We lived with Donald Trump’s bombastic behavior every day on the national stage, and we suffered as we saw our neighbors piling up in body bags.

The man who was supposed to protect this country put it in peril, because of his recklessness and impulsiveness. It was like an abusive father ruling the family by fear and violent behavior. That was the consequence of New York’s warning getting ignored. Next time, we know it will be worse.

Make no mistake: the twice-impeached, 4-time indicted Donald Trump is still a fool. But we can’t let our fellow Americans write him off like one. Evil thrives in the shadow of dismissive mockery, which is why we must take the danger of Donald Trump very seriously.

So today we issue another warning. From this place where Abraham Lincoln spoke — right here in the beating heart of New York — to the rest of America:

This is our last chance.

Democracy won’t survive the return of a wannabe dictator.

And it won’t overcome evil if we are divided.

So what do we do about it? I know I’m preaching to the choir here. What we’re doing today is valuable, but we have to take today into tomorrow – take it outside these walls.

We have to reach out to the half of our country who have ignored the hazards of Trump and, for whatever reason, support elevating him back into the White House. They’re not stupid, and we must not condemn them for making a stupid choice. Our future doesn’t just depend on us. It depends on them.

Let’s reach out to Trump’s followers with respect.

Let’s not talk about “democracy.” “Democracy” may be our holy grail, but to others it is just a word, a concept, and in their embrace of Trump, they’ve already turned their backs on it.

Let’s talk about right and wrong. Let’s talk about humanity.

Let’s talk about kindness. Security for our world. Safety for our families. Decency.

Let’s welcome them back.

We won’t get them all, but we can get enough to end the nightmare of Trump, and fulfill the mission of this “Stop Trump Summit.””

Patterncarmen · 07/02/2025 22:20

pananamana · 07/02/2025 16:07

I think he has a few trolls on MN pushing the right wing agenda.

Would not surprise me one whit.

Drfosters · 07/02/2025 22:15

TankFlyBossW4lk · 07/02/2025 18:58

Hopefully he won't end up with more influence. What it will do it strengthen Europe and make sure they spend more on defence. Trump doesn't have a plan, as was patently demonstrated when his own inner circle said they didn't know that he was planning on taking over Gaza. He's an idiot who shoots from the hip.

I guess you're the kind of poster who believes that crap about the "weave"....

He isn’t an idiot though. Watch the behind the scenes footage of the election. He has a team of people around him. All his tweets are agreed upon and typed by his team- They plan all his big announcements - it is all heavily strategised ahead of time . Trump wants American businesses to be heavily involved in the rebuilding of Gaza. There is no way on earth he thought that America would take control but being first in the door for the investment - that is what he wants. And I’ll bet anything he’ll get it. Helping put his name to peace in the area I am sure he’ll take that too but the investment opportunities first. I admire his stance to put his country above all others. I wish our politicians would do the same.