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Telling people they're powerless over alcohol/substances is dangerous

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FlyingMasticatedParticles · 05/02/2025 16:18

Had a conversation with a friend recently (not an addict) where they got upset with me for saying that it's always a choice to use substances. I believe it is, while acknowledging the huge difficulty people face getting out of these habits.

Others are of the opinion that it isn't a choice and that it's not in the person's control. I think this view is completely disempowering, and possibly dangerous.

I speak from experience of poly-substance 'addiction' which I'm currently in. I make the choice to buy drugs and have a drink. It's easier than dealing with the underlying issues. Let's face it, it's the easy, familiar, comforting choice. It's very hard and humbling to admit that I just don't like being sober and facing reality.

Luckily I only hurt myself, however sometimes it's pretty bad and the shame that I feel afterwards is really justified (while also understanding that I'm human and allowing for a bit of self-compassion which I'm working on). If i was to accept that these actions were not my own responsibility, then I'd be even less likely to try and keep myself in check.

I'm starting to realise it's all on me, I can't make excuses because I know what I'm doing to myself and I do it anyway. I refuse to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. I have a lot of underlying trauma and mental health issues, a lot of character defects that have led me to this. Those things are not my fault but I made and continue to make shitty choices.

If I believed what AA told me, I'd believe I had an 'allergy' or that I'm just different to other people and I don't have power over it. I've friends who are terrified to miss a meeting because they've been told so many times that AA is what's keeping them sober. I think they WANT to be sober so they're abstaining and it's as simple as that, although of course a support network is always helpful.

AIBU to think that it's better to encourage self responsibility and accountability than helplessness?

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FlyingMasticatedParticles · 05/02/2025 16:48

southpawsofthenorth · 05/02/2025 16:43

It’s true if you’re addicted though. It’s not entirely within your control.

As for AA/NA - it’s not for everyone. Some people find it really helpful some people find it weird and don’t like it 🤷‍♀️

I'm addicted. Whatever that means. According to popular understanding. It's still in my control to abuse substances? Do you mean physical dependency?

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BIossomtoes · 05/02/2025 16:48

There's no such thing as recovery, you're only ever recovering

Which is true. It fits with one day at a time.

FlyingMasticatedParticles · 05/02/2025 16:47

Touty · 05/02/2025 16:40

It’s the first drink - I think we have a choice over weather or not to take a first drink, after that I believe that some of us do not have a choice as the addition takes over.

I think that obviously after one drink your ability to reason and make good decisions will be slightly impaired. But that also doesn't mean that it's a given that you'll go and drink the whole lot. I seem to be able to moderate until the days where I think 'fuck it' but that's my choice at the time. It's not because I don't have power over alcohol, it's because I've got poor impulse control.

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southpawsofthenorth · 05/02/2025 16:43

It’s true if you’re addicted though. It’s not entirely within your control.

As for AA/NA - it’s not for everyone. Some people find it really helpful some people find it weird and don’t like it 🤷‍♀️

FlyingMasticatedParticles · 05/02/2025 16:42

hazelnutvanillalatte · 05/02/2025 16:39

@5128gap this is a really good way of explaining it. I had felt the same as OP before - not really getting how it was a useful theory. It makes sense if you view it as being powerless against the substance, so needing to avoid it completely rather than thinking 'I can just have a little this once.'

I understand it, I just don't buy it. That's their theory, but lots of people with substance abuse issues CAN moderate in time. That's not to say that everyone should.

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Touty · 05/02/2025 16:40

It’s the first drink - I think we have a choice over weather or not to take a first drink, after that I believe that some of us do not have a choice as the addition takes over.

FlyingMasticatedParticles · 05/02/2025 16:39

5128gap · 05/02/2025 16:32

It is encouraging responsibility. Responsibility to not take the first drink, because if you do you'll be powerless not to have another. I don't think the intent is for people to think "Ah well, I'm an alcoholic, nothing I can do but sit here powerless until it gets the better of me" rather to help them understand that where they are concerned alcohol is a powerful enemy, more powerful than them and so they need to stay away from it. I think putting things in these terms helps people understand why their relationship with alcohol can't be the same as the man down the street who isn't an alcoholic. As does viewing it as an allergy. It's just a way of explaining and helps a lot of people.

Perhaps. But from the meetings I've been to there's definitely an attitude that you have to make AA your whole life or you WILL relapse and you WILL die. The idea is that you need AA for the rest of your life. There's no such thing as recovery, you're only ever recovering (which I disagree with). People swap alcohol addiction for a reliance on Alcoholics Anonymous. This is just what I've experienced along with a lot of general weirdness and bullying. In saying that, I do get something out of it, I just don't fully buy into all of it.

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hazelnutvanillalatte · 05/02/2025 16:39

@5128gap this is a really good way of explaining it. I had felt the same as OP before - not really getting how it was a useful theory. It makes sense if you view it as being powerless against the substance, so needing to avoid it completely rather than thinking 'I can just have a little this once.'

5128gap · 05/02/2025 16:32

It is encouraging responsibility. Responsibility to not take the first drink, because if you do you'll be powerless not to have another. I don't think the intent is for people to think "Ah well, I'm an alcoholic, nothing I can do but sit here powerless until it gets the better of me" rather to help them understand that where they are concerned alcohol is a powerful enemy, more powerful than them and so they need to stay away from it. I think putting things in these terms helps people understand why their relationship with alcohol can't be the same as the man down the street who isn't an alcoholic. As does viewing it as an allergy. It's just a way of explaining and helps a lot of people.

FlyingMasticatedParticles · 05/02/2025 16:27

NerrSnerr · 05/02/2025 16:24

I think it's a difficult one. In from a family of addicts and they happily told themselves that it was something that happened to them and they had no control over it- I truly believe that they thought this.

If you have any friends or family I would argue that you are not just hurting yourself. It's really difficult to have a loved one who is an addict.

Did they ever get better?

I accept what you're saying. My family don't know about it as we're not close. Most of my friends currently are ones that I've made from support groups. A couple of closer friends that, although I've never hurt them, borrowed money, been nasty, that type of thing, I probably have worried them a bit.

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FlyingMasticatedParticles · 05/02/2025 16:25

CoffeeCantata · 05/02/2025 16:23

It's part of the creeping trend towards infantilising everyone.

Don't feel bad about anything - you can't help it, and nothing is your fault.

Yes! A healthy bit of shame is good for society I think. Not self-flagellating but recognising that what you did wasn't good so that you can learn from it.

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NerrSnerr · 05/02/2025 16:24

I think it's a difficult one. In from a family of addicts and they happily told themselves that it was something that happened to them and they had no control over it- I truly believe that they thought this.

If you have any friends or family I would argue that you are not just hurting yourself. It's really difficult to have a loved one who is an addict.

CoffeeCantata · 05/02/2025 16:23

It's part of the creeping trend towards infantilising everyone.

Don't feel bad about anything - you can't help it, and nothing is your fault.

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