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To complain about the amount of bereavement leave a colleagues has been given

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Justgoogleitlater · 05/02/2025 06:53

To preface, this is not about my colleague who I really like and I feel truly horrendous for her that she's lost her Mum. By all means, they should do what they need to for them and why not take this if its being offered. My issue is with the management who have approved it.

The problem is we are a very small team and she has been off for a month. She is now about to come back but has an agreed phased return in place that will last another month and the rest of us in the team are having to cover an awful lot that we simply don't have the capacity for. We have a lot of responsibilities that, from upper management, all need to be prioritised so everyone is now having to squeeze in a lot more to accommodate this colleague's leave and it has been incredibly difficult. Several staff have acrewed significant TOIL which my manager will not approve for them to take back yet because we are so short staffed.

The policy clearly states that bereavement leave can be offered for 3 days. Whilst I know this leave can be extended at the manager's discretion, what has been approved feels so excessive and with no consideration to the impact having so much leave has on the rest of us.
I have worked in the NHS a long time and never known anything like this amount of bereavement leave being approved. The most I have seen a manager approve before is 2 weeks and no phased return. And before anyone says, I know it is being recorded as bereavement leave and not sick leave because part of my responsibility is to log it on ESR as a proxy for our manager.

WIBU to go above my manager and complain about the decision to approve this.

OP posts:
madamweb · 05/02/2025 07:43

Freysimo · 05/02/2025 07:08

My son died when I was working for the NHS (non clinical role) and I stayed off for three weeks. I could have had longer (note from doctor) but chose to go back as I thought I would go mad without any structure to my life and I thought the longer I was off the harder it would be to return. We're all different though and NHS is quite compassionate about this, certainly when I worked in it. I didn't take as much time off for my mum and dad. I'm of the "get on with it" generation, not saying that's good or bad.

Edited

I'm " get on with it" person too...
But sometimes practical or other circumstances mean that isn't an option

I was given a long compassionate leave in circumstances where "getting on with it" just practically was not possible

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 05/02/2025 07:41

SchoolDilemma17 · 05/02/2025 06:56

YABVU to complain about someone’s bereavement leave

YANBU to discuss workload and understaffing with your manager

This. The problem isn't the extent of her leave, it's the fact management are doing nothing to mitigate the impact of her leave on the team.

Thirteenblackcat · 05/02/2025 07:40

You are certainly one of the less compassionate employees for the NHS. Have some empathy fgs

If she is grieving she needs to return when she feels ready. You can’t put a time limit on grief. When my Dad died I was off for two months and returned on a phased return. I couldn’t have been able to do my job sooner.

madamweb · 05/02/2025 07:40

As someone else said, the issue isn't your colleague taking time off, it's the lack of cover provided when someone is off

madamweb · 05/02/2025 07:40

If they don't give her the leave I imagine they know she would need to go off sick instead.

I once had three weeks compassionate leave despite our policy saying we could only have a few days. I always look back and know that that decision to grant me that time is the only reason I didn't completely fall apart.

Heronwatcher · 05/02/2025 07:38

Yes YABU. A month really isn’t that long and 3 days is pitiful.

Complain about the fact that they haven’t arranged for sufficient cover/ won’t approve toil/ have unrealistic expectations but, honestly, unless you’re working 12 hours a day without a break 7 days a week, this will just sound like moaning.

Apart from the TOIL thing, surely there’s no option for them to refuse full stop under the policy? At my work they can refuse a particular set of dates but not just refuse it or they have to offer payment in lieu.

EightChalk · 05/02/2025 07:38

Good lord.

The OP clearly stated:

  • She doesn't begrudge her colleague the time
  • She personally inputs the leave into the system and it's not sick leave
  • Her issue is with management approving this leave without considering the implications on the rest of the team

Is the post going through a "make OP horrible" translator for everyone or something?

TheyAreNotAngelsTheyDontCareAtAll · 05/02/2025 07:37

Justgoogleitlater · 05/02/2025 06:53

To preface, this is not about my colleague who I really like and I feel truly horrendous for her that she's lost her Mum. By all means, they should do what they need to for them and why not take this if its being offered. My issue is with the management who have approved it.

The problem is we are a very small team and she has been off for a month. She is now about to come back but has an agreed phased return in place that will last another month and the rest of us in the team are having to cover an awful lot that we simply don't have the capacity for. We have a lot of responsibilities that, from upper management, all need to be prioritised so everyone is now having to squeeze in a lot more to accommodate this colleague's leave and it has been incredibly difficult. Several staff have acrewed significant TOIL which my manager will not approve for them to take back yet because we are so short staffed.

The policy clearly states that bereavement leave can be offered for 3 days. Whilst I know this leave can be extended at the manager's discretion, what has been approved feels so excessive and with no consideration to the impact having so much leave has on the rest of us.
I have worked in the NHS a long time and never known anything like this amount of bereavement leave being approved. The most I have seen a manager approve before is 2 weeks and no phased return. And before anyone says, I know it is being recorded as bereavement leave and not sick leave because part of my responsibility is to log it on ESR as a proxy for our manager.

WIBU to go above my manager and complain about the decision to approve this.

People get maternity lrave. In the nhs, that is hardly ever covered.
Bereavement affects peole in different ways. What do you think is causing her to take so long?
You're in the nhs, some compassion from the team perhaps

Whaleandsnail6 · 05/02/2025 07:37

Of course you would be unreasonable to complain about this.

She could have taken a month off sick and then phased return and the consequence for you would have still been the same...over worked and too stretched.

How her time off is taken doesnt matter and frankly is absolutely none of your business.

What is your business is the workload...you need to speak to management about the workload and how it is unsustainable and refuse to work anymore toil.

JudgeBread · 05/02/2025 07:36

The phased return makes me think she's been signed off sick too, even if you're convinced she hasn't. Only time I've ever had a phased return was coming back after a mental health crisis. My colleagues were told I was on bereavement leave as well because my mental health is none of their business, only my manager, supervisor and HR knew why I was actually off.

If you must complain, complain about your manager being incompetent, not covering the department properly, and having co-workers logging eachother's leave instead of doing it themself. Leave your poor colleague out of it, it's hard enough coming back after an extended break without it potentially reaching her ears that one of her co-worker thinks she has had too much time off for their liking.

SpringBunnyHopHop · 05/02/2025 07:35

Go ahead but it will make you look awful. You have no idea of her circumstances.

Dasmeespresso · 05/02/2025 07:35

If they're not ready to come back to work (understandable) then they'd be signed off anyway if not on bereavement, so how the absence is coded is irrelevant.

The issue is the lack of resource and the workload, neither of which are the colleagues problem and are likely a big contributor to requiring a phased return. That's your issue.

Sawcootstoday · 05/02/2025 07:34

A month is no time at all. As others have said, the issue is about being understaffed, not about humans needing time to reel from shock, as the latter is part of life and death and not something we have much control over, whereas, knowing this will happen, we can prepare by ensuring we're not understaffed when it does.

Lampzade · 05/02/2025 07:34

SchoolDilemma17 · 05/02/2025 06:56

YABVU to complain about someone’s bereavement leave

YANBU to discuss workload and understaffing with your manager

This

MummyJ36 · 05/02/2025 07:33

I wouldn’t complain about the leave OP I would complain about the lack of cover and foresight from management that significant cover would be needed. Please speak to your manager, managers manager or HR about your team getting burned out and ask for a solution. Also flag that you are all being denied TOIL.

WandsOut · 05/02/2025 07:33

YABU
The death of a mother is devastating and three days isn't nearly enough to process that. So unless you want her back at work in tears and fragile...

Your current workload is your responsibility to manage with your colleagues and that's the only thing you should mention to your manager, being realistic about what can or can't be done.

Talking about your colleague's time off for bereavement is quite frankly none of your business and if your colleague gets wind of it you'll be seen as being petty, cruel and having a lack of compassion.

2chocolateoranges · 05/02/2025 07:32

Justgoogleitlater · 05/02/2025 07:03

She's not been signed off sick, I log the leave and it's specifically bereavement leave.

IIn all honesty it’s got nothing to do with you, it’s between the manager and the staff member.

complaining about something like this after someone losses their mum is disgusting!

Go and complain to the manager about you not managing the workload but don’t complain about the bereavement leave.

JaneBoleynViscountessRochford · 05/02/2025 07:32

To reiterate what everyone else is saying OP you are complaining about the wrong thing, the real issue your team has is lack of cover arranged for absence not that your poor colleague is being given a reasonable amount of bereavement leave, if you complain based on that people will lose respect for you because you will sound like a complete arse.

bigkidatheart · 05/02/2025 07:32

YANBU for how you feel, your management should have got cover in

But, losing a mother is going to hit hard and without knowing the circumstances it could have been expected or it could have been sudden. A funeral could take 2 weeks to arrange and have and there is a lot to sort out after that but also grieving. Personally a month is the least I would take off.

Nerdynerdynerd · 05/02/2025 07:31

Wow heartless

Her mum has died, fuck work.

lateatwork · 05/02/2025 07:30

It doesn't matter why she is off work. You raising 'it shouldn't be bereavement leave' doesn't highlight the right thing (and makes you look like an arse...)

The issue is cover and how this happens.

ColourBlueColourPurple · 05/02/2025 07:29

You usually get 3 days leave following a bereavement? It's not even enough time to properly arrange a funeral for them! 3 days is a disgracefully pitiful period of time.

Sassybooklover · 05/02/2025 07:29

You need to be complaining to management regarding the extra workload, that a small team is having to cover. Management should have tried to cover the bereavement leave by your colleague, rather than expecting everyone else to cover. I understand the leave was unexpected, but if you are on 'the front line' as in nursing, surely someone temporary could have been drafted in? If you're team is more admin based, again a temp could have been employed to cover the extra. It sounds as if management don't want to pay-out on employing someone temporary, and are expecting existing staff members to simply cover. This situation is not your colleagues fault, it's down to management to do their job and manage.

Enough4me · 05/02/2025 07:27

I don't think you are nasty OP just worn down. I expect you and your colleagues are exhausted and many of you had to work and grieve without adequate leave before.
If you all stopped cramming additional work in, let things build up and ask for help your management would see the issue. At the moment you are all suffering from exhaustion.
Do you have a union who could support you?

FarmGirl78 · 05/02/2025 07:27

Justgoogleitlater · 05/02/2025 07:03

She's not been signed off sick, I log the leave and it's specifically bereavement leave.

What it's logged as doesn't make a tap of difference to your issue - that you're struggling with the increased workload. If it was recorded as sick leave rather than bereavement that wouldn't improve things in the slightest. You're narked off about the wrong thing.