Hate speech but not hate

It's hateful to be so misogynistic that you refuse to hear women discuss their objections to be reduced to a figment of a male imagination. That's hate. But it's something I just have to suck up.

@Tropics4

Things are regarded as hate speech because the speaker must be silenced. Declaring hate speech is intended to minimise the chances of others hearing arguments that they know are very compelling. And more persuasive than they're able to defend.

There are lots of positions you can hold related to gay or lesbian people though that are a matter of opinion. Same-sex marriage and adoption spring to mind. Some people are for, others against.

Also, I think most gay people would have an opinion about being friends with a homophobic person. Similarly, a homophobic person would have an opinion on being friends with someone who is gay.

Opinions all round!

*And think that

Being gay or lesbian isn’t a matter of opinion or a position you can argue for or against

Well you've been asked to clarify on it multiple times and have elected not to.

You're using obscure and confusing language, whether intentionally or not, and for many people the most logical interpretation is that you judge gay people I think that their sexuality is a choice.

Please could you clarify so I and many others don't continue to ascribe positions to you unfairly.

What about gay people isn't for you?

What opinions about homosexuality do you have that are not shared by homosexual people?
What are your different values?

Words have meaning. We all should choose them wisely. You calling being gay a lifestyle is offensive. I defend your right to say it though...as much I defend my own in saying you're homophonic.

You aren't a victim here OP.

I disagree with specifically banning trans people, that is definitely unfair discrimination. However, I do think they should be held to the same standards as anyone else in the military. If I have a life-long condition that means I need to take medication or if I have difficulty with my mental health, then I will have a harder time joining. That should apply to me whether I am trans or not.

OP, if you were in my presence and talking about 'the gay lifestyle' and 'choice', I would probably ask you (politely) whether you believe that being gay is a choice or a lifestyle. Because I would be confused and would want clarity about the kind of person you were.

Depending on your response, I would decide whether or not I wanted to continue being in your presence. You would remain free to believe what you wanted and to say what you wanted - but remember, words come with consequences.

Where did the OP say that?

Why would cis be a slur?

No one has to use it.

They have been banned completely.

Asserting that people who won't repeat a lie are committing hate speech is ridiculous, we can all agree with that though, right?

Have a look over on Reddit. Trans people have quite a lot to say about 'cis' people. I thought cis was seen as a slur now on Mumsnet?

Just because it doesn't affect YOU doesn't mean it's not important and it can't be discussed. How selfish. Give an example of the 'hate' you keep seeing but can't say, it's getting boring!

It's also pretty hateful to expect people to completely disregard the hard facts of science to fit with an ideology that diminishes and belittles the lived experiences of many many many women worldwide for centuries to save the feelings of others. Yes, there is a time and place for it and that is ALL THE TIME. And you may scoff at that too, but like you, I don't care at all.

Yeah, and that's fine. It's when that perception starts negatively infringing on other people's rights it becomes a problem.

Are trans people barred from the military completely or are they having to adhere to their correct sex class?

@Itssofunny doesn't work like that does it, where are all the trans people making posts about cis people on here? Trans people in no way affect my life as a female, I'm sorry but they don't. You might feel like they affect yours then fine but I find the nature of these posts hateful and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I think you’ll find a lot of trans people would agree they don’t change sex.

Unfortunately the loud (questionable ) ones are the only ones heard.

I don’t believe you can change sex either.

But I do believe some people feel that being perceived as the opposite sex is more comfortable.

I agree with single sex spaces and the rest.

I don’t agree with removing them from the military.

I mean, what kind of response do you think that you'd get from that, people would just shrug and walk away.

The thing about trans is the illusion only holds if everyone around the trans person capitulates to the idea that they have changed sex. Which is why gender critical heretics are the subject of such hate. Because they won't play the game.

It’s not. If you say you’re a Christian then you’re telling me you believe in Christianity. Fine. Completely faith based. You don’t get to force me to believe in Christianity too, something that can’t be empirically proven. A male (or female) telling me they’re the opposite sex is impossible. They aren’t and can never be.

I don't believe you can change sex which isn't a belief it's a fact. I believe in single sex spaces. I believe sex matters over identity (which doesn't appear to be able to be defined).

I believe there are people who think they are born in the wrong body, identify as something else which appears to be based on regressive sex stereotypes and they shouldn't be discriminated based on this, or based on the rights they already hold which are the same as everyone else.

I don't believe they are entitled to additional rights (biological males going into spaces and sports for women as these are sex segregated for a reason) or force me to believe something that's fundamentally untrue.

No, but if I say I’m Christian and you say no you’re not it’s similiar.

If people don’t believe that being trans is a possibility then how can they believe in trans people?

Who has bashed trans people? Is not believing in Christianity Christian-bashing?