Page 8 | Friend earns as much as me on benefits

Whateveritsallmadnow · 04/02/2025 22:46

threelittlescones · 04/02/2025 22:36

This is true but it only applies to private renting not council/social housing.

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Yes exactly so landlords charge going rate for area, benefits will only cover a going rate, so landlords generally if wanting to attract renters have to match rate or similar

User79853257976 · 04/02/2025 22:42

BloodandGlitter · 04/02/2025 20:28

That amount either includes her rent or she or her children are disabled.

It doesn’t matter if it includes her rent, OP has to pay her housing costs out of her wages.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 04/02/2025 22:41

Frostywinterwoods · 04/02/2025 22:27

So basically if you are 48 you are past it right!
Sister hood eh? FFS!
Non of you God damn business, for 1 I give her a round of applause to right, finally a woman that actually doesn't follow the narrative, that it's wrong to have more than 2kids.

Well yeah at 48 you are past it in fertility terms. Otherwise she wouldn’t need IVF (which likely won’t work)

Hattieandcake · 04/02/2025 22:40

What is pension credit ? Maybe if they world they would then build up pension ! Honestly why are we encouraging people to not work !!!!

honestfossil · 04/02/2025 22:37

agree that it's ridiculous, but sadly I think it's totally true!
Chatting with my sister, she knows people in similar situations, who earned similar to her old salary, and a fair bit above her current salary. Adults who've never worked, but have had a child and are earning more than many people who're working full time, as well as being entitled to more 'freebies' or support.

Whateveritsallmadnow · 04/02/2025 22:37

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For everyone genuinely in need it goes without doubt the help should and must there for them and long may it continue I think the worry is it won't happen, not sure we can blame things on immigration, it's not our country we were just lucky enough to have been born in a country with benefits. People just need to use when needed and not elsewhere, it will never work as some will always take advantage

threelittlescones · 04/02/2025 22:36

cadburyegg · 04/02/2025 22:28

Surely people are just paying the going rent in their area, not landlords fault it's high

Just to clear up something about the rent - the local housing authority sets the limit on how much they will pay towards housing. You can't just move in to a 3 bedroom penthouse in London and have all of your rent paid.

For example, if I rented I would be entitled to help with rent up to £875 a month which is the 2 bedroom rate for my area. 2 bedrooms is because I have 2 same sex children so they'd obviously be expected to share.

If I was looking for a property now, the cheapest in my area is £1300 a month for a 2 bedroom flat, so if I moved there I'd have to make up the difference with my own money. I could move further away for a cheaper property but I wouldn't be better off because the local housing rate in a cheaper postcode would also be lower.

This is true but it only applies to private renting not council/social housing.

Summerhillsquare · 04/02/2025 22:36

NotaCoolMum · 04/02/2025 20:30

££££££££

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It's utter fantasy benefit bashing. A woman of 48 will not be advised to have fertility treatment.

cherish123 · 04/02/2025 22:34

Surely not. If true, this just encourages laziness.

summerdaysarecoming · 04/02/2025 22:33

@Frostywinterwoods good for you, not everyone shares the same view as you obviously. Stop telling people how to feel ffs.

Frostywinterwoods · 04/02/2025 22:31

Worked all my life,I never once look at others and think oh how dare they dare they.. I'm better because i work, they should be on less and beneath me . No, even if I was earning same or less, never once did it cross my mind, that how dare they! I concentrated on my life. I chose what I did . Life is to short for hate.

cadburyegg · 04/02/2025 22:28

Surely people are just paying the going rent in their area, not landlords fault it's high

Just to clear up something about the rent - the local housing authority sets the limit on how much they will pay towards housing. You can't just move in to a 3 bedroom penthouse in London and have all of your rent paid.

For example, if I rented I would be entitled to help with rent up to £875 a month which is the 2 bedroom rate for my area. 2 bedrooms is because I have 2 same sex children so they'd obviously be expected to share.

If I was looking for a property now, the cheapest in my area is £1300 a month for a 2 bedroom flat, so if I moved there I'd have to make up the difference with my own money. I could move further away for a cheaper property but I wouldn't be better off because the local housing rate in a cheaper postcode would also be lower.

Sunnywalker · 04/02/2025 22:28

lookatthathorse · 04/02/2025 20:47

If you’re a single parent who rents then on your wage (which is quite low for a full-time job) you’re probably also entitled to Universal Credit. Are you claiming? If so, how much? Let’s make the comparison fair.

I can’t understand what the point of your thread is. You claim to be ‘conflicted’ because it’s so ‘unjust’. Where’s the conflict and what’s so unfair? Unfair would suggest the life your friend is leaving is not accessible to you but it absolutely is. Go for it if it seems so great. I suspect, however, that you know it isn’t that marvellous. That a life whereby a parent is wholly reliant on benefits is quite an isolated and unfulfilling one. And that the benefits (for want of a better word) of working go beyond your take-home pay. If I’m wrong though, please do just quit your job and be like your pal.

Don’t claim to be better though. The very fact that you’ve come onto Mumsnet spouting this dog-whistle shite is pretty repugnant IMO. I hope the inevitable benefit bashing makes you feel better and eases your inner turmoil, OP 👏

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Well everyone’s life would be better if people like this had to work as they would be contributing rather than taking.

summerdaysarecoming · 04/02/2025 22:27

Pumpkincozynights · 04/02/2025 22:22

Also all this talk about not building up a pension is irrelevant.
Those who do not work are not cast onto the streets at 67 are they? They are not thrown out of their ( paid for) homes and told to live on the streets until they drop dead. They receive just as much (if not more) than the person who has paid NI for their entire working life. They can go into any A&E and receive the same treatment as those who have gone out to work and paid NI. They can go into a nursing home and get the same treatment as those who have paid into the system.
They often get more than those who have worked. They can continue to tap into benefits which those who have paid into a private pension are excluded from. This does not mean that those who receive a private pension are better off, just that they have made sacrifices throughout their life so as to put money aside for their pension,

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Frostywinterwoods · 04/02/2025 22:27

So basically if you are 48 you are past it right!
Sister hood eh? FFS!
Non of you God damn business, for 1 I give her a round of applause to right, finally a woman that actually doesn't follow the narrative, that it's wrong to have more than 2kids.

tachetastic · 04/02/2025 22:27

CarnivorousHipPain · 04/02/2025 20:36

Oh that's nothing. My friend on benefits gets paid £5000 a month, has minus two children (so plenty of spare time!), two chefs, a WW2 tank on her drive, and on top of that she burns DWP workers' furniture for firewood.

Respect to your friend. All that and still relying on wood-burning central heating over fossil fuels. 👌

Frostywinterwoods · 04/02/2025 22:26

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vodkaredbullgirl · 04/02/2025 22:24

OP must be sat on their throne, watching the show.

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Pumpkincozynights · 04/02/2025 22:22

Also all this talk about not building up a pension is irrelevant.
Those who do not work are not cast onto the streets at 67 are they? They are not thrown out of their ( paid for) homes and told to live on the streets until they drop dead. They receive just as much (if not more) than the person who has paid NI for their entire working life. They can go into any A&E and receive the same treatment as those who have gone out to work and paid NI. They can go into a nursing home and get the same treatment as those who have paid into the system.
They often get more than those who have worked. They can continue to tap into benefits which those who have paid into a private pension are excluded from. This does not mean that those who receive a private pension are better off, just that they have made sacrifices throughout their life so as to put money aside for their pension,

EternalSunshine19 · 04/02/2025 22:19

lookatthathorse · 04/02/2025 20:47

If you’re a single parent who rents then on your wage (which is quite low for a full-time job) you’re probably also entitled to Universal Credit. Are you claiming? If so, how much? Let’s make the comparison fair.

I can’t understand what the point of your thread is. You claim to be ‘conflicted’ because it’s so ‘unjust’. Where’s the conflict and what’s so unfair? Unfair would suggest the life your friend is leaving is not accessible to you but it absolutely is. Go for it if it seems so great. I suspect, however, that you know it isn’t that marvellous. That a life whereby a parent is wholly reliant on benefits is quite an isolated and unfulfilling one. And that the benefits (for want of a better word) of working go beyond your take-home pay. If I’m wrong though, please do just quit your job and be like your pal.

Don’t claim to be better though. The very fact that you’ve come onto Mumsnet spouting this dog-whistle shite is pretty repugnant IMO. I hope the inevitable benefit bashing makes you feel better and eases your inner turmoil, OP 👏

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Well said

Whateveritsallmadnow · 04/02/2025 22:16

Whateveritsallmadnow · 04/02/2025 22:15

Surely people are just paying the going rent in their area, not landlords fault it's high

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They will also have bought at inflated rate

Whateveritsallmadnow · 04/02/2025 22:15

Miley1967 · 04/02/2025 22:11

The thing people should be getting angry about is that most of this benefit money is going straight to rich landlords through the UC rent element.

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Surely people are just paying the going rent in their area, not landlords fault it's high

Frostywinterwoods · 04/02/2025 22:14

NattyFinch · 04/02/2025 20:21

I felt really shocked and conflicted after a discussion with a friend recently that revealed that she receives over £2000 a month on benefits for 2 children while I work full time as a single parent with one child for a similar amount (once I’ve paid all my taxes, ni etc). It stemmed from her saying she was going for ivf treatment at 48 at a total cost of £8000. I’m supportive as a friend and try not to be a judgmental person but this just seems unjust when I’ve worked so hard to stay in employment and raise my son single-handedly for 12 years. She doesn’t want to move to England because if the ivf is successful she will get more money to stay in Scotland. AIBU to think this is all bonkers ?!

Pathetic post! Your not a friend at all. What exactly is your problem?
What are you jealous about? What all do you know about her life, her situation& all her actually incoming & outgoings?
You want her and her kids to be worse off? Struggling to eat?
Do you know for fact they aren't? Because no one tells the truth& actually discusses everything about their private lives.
You chose your life no one made you, people work or don't for lots of reasons & it's not all for £.
I'm sure a select few choose benefits as life choice. The rest because they have no choice and they do not want to be this way you say your not judgemental but you clearly are!
You are no better than her just because you work. Get another better paid job then!
As others have said you to most likely entitled look into it, and then let others look down complain, bitch abour you. Like you and others are doing about her(no one here knows the full story)

Pumpkincozynights · 04/02/2025 22:13

Well if everyone stopped working low paid jobs and claimed benefits instead where would we be? Who would look after the elderly, sick, children? Or work in retail? It’s all very well saying well stop working then but seriously what state would we be in?
Absolutely nobody should be better off on benefits than working, nobody.