Another stabbing at a school?

I really don’t care whatsoever about the bullies lives. I would happily pay my taxes to keep these people in prison for live if they cannot be rehabilitated. If you harm others you have no place in society.

And there’s your answer -
Caring enough to ensure everyone is safe is deemed to cost too much !
So we close down parenting classes, decimate child services , outsource care homes , close referral units , reduce cahms etc etc etc
Too sad

So kids take knives to school and people expect the parents of their potential victims to care about inclusion and preventing the knife-carrier from a criminal future?

Laughable.

@Turbottimes
"What about the other kids? What about them? Don’t you give a flying fuck about their safety??? Their lives??? It’s all what’s best for the bully. Try thinking about the victim for once."

Why the aggression towards me?

We're talking about preventing serious youth crime.

Exclusions increase criminality.

"Everyone is always shitting all over the US with their school and guns problems, but we have a very terrible and real problem also: knives."

Our murder rate in the UK is 1/5th that of the USA.

The government is doing its best. They already have plans to file down the points of all knives and ban Amazon from selling cutlery.

@Raindropskeepfallinonmyhead

Why do you think that nobody is doing anything about knife crime?

There are a tonne of initiatives and education programmes.

You're assuming there's a clear effective strategy that would massively reduce or stop it, but for some reason no government wants to action it.

The reality is that it's very, very hard to address knife crime when there are lethal knives in literally every household in the country, carrying a knife has become normalised in some groups, and harsh sentences for carrying or using knives seem to have zero impact on knife crime.

And I'm saying this as someone whose children have been affected by knife crime. My son lost a 15 year old friend who was murdered; my daughter had a friend (a girl) who is serving a life sentence for the murder of another teen.

I don't know what the answer is, and we've all got to stop talking as though there's an obvious strategy which would work which everyone is ignoring.

That’s what council education budgets are for. Currently we have ASD children in specialist schools and a number of them would cope very well with mainstream schooling if there was a calm, safe environment there. I can see savings that can be made to pay for PRUs by getting mainstream schools back under control of the adults.

Whwn l pointed this out on a previous thread about a stabbing, l got absolutely slated but l couldn't agree more

Everyone is always shitting all over the US with their school and guns problems, but we have a very terrible and real problem also: knives.

How many more children are going to die before action is taken? This has been going on for years and years.

That's the way it's gone.

There's nothing like that available. It costs the school a huge amount for any off site provision.

@Turbottimes just crazy.

It’s ‘trying hard to be inclusive’ that’s the issue though! If they want to be included they need to behave. If not, pupil referral unit.

Awful

Glad we live abroad

Exclusion is banned in Scotland, which is insane. If I was the victims parents I’d be suing the Scottish government.

What about the other kids? What about them? Don’t you give a flying fuck about their safety??? Their lives??? It’s all what’s best for the bully. Try thinking about the victim for once.

@Porcuporpoise remove them immediately from the parents for a start. In the case I have mentioned I'm talking early primary. That comes from home. Be it games or whatever.

@blackbird77 I agree entirely.

I have name changed as we had the unfortunate experience of a child being threatened in our school last week across the throat with a knife.

The child remains in class. Scotland. No exclusion.

It was an awful snd tragic event, on the same day another 14 year old was found guilty of attempted murder by stabbing two people (including a teacher) at another school. Meanwhile we have a lying propaganda-driven government trying to convince everyone that home educated are not safe at home, and wound be safer in school. You honestly couldn't make it up

I teach in another Sheffield school. We're all shocked. I know the Headteacher, Sean Pender. He's a decent man, and he and his team work so hard to be inclusive and supportive. This escalated from online threats, according to reports.
Imagine a boy stabbed to death at school. Just devastating for everyone.

We definitely need to toughen up in this country. There is no way schools should be charged for excluding kids this just means the real bad ones aren't properly dealt with and tragedies like this one today occur as they are allowed back in with a slap on the wrist. Zero tolerance is needed to make schools safer. First hint of knife crime/ fighting with knives etc and your out!

Nah. They try to, but chances are it'll be overturned at IRP (appointed by the local authority).

@blackbird77 no not the literal act of exclusion but quite possibly the vacuum that comes afterwards. Exclusion makes the school a safer place but not the wider world - and plenty of children get stabbed out in that.

100% OP. It’s a disgrace. The safety of children and teachers sacrificed daily to the altar of this inclusiveness/trauma-based/restorative ideology rot that’s made things worse for everyone. I have friends who are teachers who are afraid to step out of their classrooms at break time due to the violence and intimidation and abuse they face when they step into the corridors. I really wish someone in government would come down on this with an iron fist.