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Why is there so much more anti immigration sentiment NOW?

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GreyWasp · 03/02/2025 16:09

Half my family are Indian and came over in the 50s. My British Indian dad (born here) said he has always been very lucky to have not experienced much hate and discrimination. He has a wide friendship network of people from all backgrounds. I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist. Not at all, just that the environments my dad was placed in outright racism was minimal. And he felt pretty much like a normal British lad going to school, uni, clubs, bars etc. My white grandparents had their concerns in the 90s when my parents married mostly in regards to potential bullying any future grandchildren would experience but really they were fine with their marrying. I have genuinely never had one negative experience (granted I have been in somewhat privileged situations in middle class areas in the South plus am white passing but do look ambiguous when tanned).

In recent years I have noticed a shift (for the worse) in terms of negative sentiment towards immigrants/poc. For me, it’s the worst it’s ever been. I certainly did not feel it 10/15 years ago. I see SO many racist comments on social media. Was not the case previously.

Im just interested in having a discussion why this could possibly be the case? People are definitely more woke now than they have ever been.

Is it the social media sites themselves? Less moderation? More political influencers?
More media attention?
People looking for an excuse to blame the economic decline (pandemic, brexit, col etc)?

Just curious what people’s thoughts are?

OP posts:
NormaleKartoffeln · 03/02/2025 19:12

bombastix · 03/02/2025 19:08

For example; I have number of Ukrainian and Lithuanian builders locally where people seem to be keen to use their service. Single men, running businesses.

Sri Lankans working in the care sector who brought their children over. Much disapproval and dislike and considered a source of antisocial behaviour.

Both groups are contributing to the economy, but only one is considered locally as undesirable.

The difference just might be in one having brought children over and one not - let's face it, dependants require resources.

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/02/2025 19:12

VioletSpeedwell · 03/02/2025 17:03

My Bangladeshi and Indian work colleagues mainly voted for Brexit and are against the large increase in immigration because they see how it can unsettle a country if it's not controlled.

People see the bad state of the NHS, lack of housing and don't want millions being spent to house and support illegal immigrants. And they want those who commit crimes to be deported.

But white British people can't express the views that my colleagues do without being shouted down on MN and left wing media as bigots and racists.

There needs to be a discussion or Britain will sadly move to the right like much of Eutope and the USA

This!

Like her or not, Kemi Badenoch said something really interesting in relation to immigration:
'We don't want Britain to turn into the sorts of countries these people are running away from'.
I think that's a sentiment shared by many.

People have NO problem with anyone who wants to come to Britain to work, pay taxes and contribute positively to our country. NONE.
Those who repeatedly suggest they do, haven't been - and are still not - paying attention...

BlueSilverCats · 03/02/2025 19:11

I’ve seen much anti-Albanian, anti-Kosovan, anti-Romanian sentiment since Brexit.

It has died down quite a lot though in the past few years .

I, however , remember it well "hordes" , "invasion" etc. , etc. . The rhetoric hasn't changed, just the target.

argyllherewecome · 03/02/2025 19:11

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 03/02/2025 19:02

We wouldn't need that many NHS staff if we didn't have the big increase in population.

I was in hospital recently following surgery. There wasn't a single English nurse on the ward, and from what I saw, there wasn't a single non white, English patient either. We need to recruit the staff because there is a massive shortage, it's not because the wards are experiencing an influx of immigrant patients. From my friends who have parents in nursing homes they say the same, the staff are predominantly African and Indian.

bombastix · 03/02/2025 19:08

For example; I have number of Ukrainian and Lithuanian builders locally where people seem to be keen to use their service. Single men, running businesses.

Sri Lankans working in the care sector who brought their children over. Much disapproval and dislike and considered a source of antisocial behaviour.

Both groups are contributing to the economy, but only one is considered locally as undesirable.

NormaleKartoffeln · 03/02/2025 19:06

DarkJanuaryMornings · 03/02/2025 19:02

I’ve seen much anti-Albanian, anti-Kosovan, anti-Romanian sentiment since Brexit.

To be fair I see negative sentiment toward anyone who appears (not I say appears) to be here to take as opposed to give, even in the longer term.
It's not just in the UK that we have this issue.

DarkJanuaryMornings · 03/02/2025 19:02

bombastix · 03/02/2025 19:00

You'll forgive me but the racism I see is all about those who are not white, post Brexit. It seems to have taken the country backwards

I’ve seen much anti-Albanian, anti-Kosovan, anti-Romanian sentiment since Brexit.

marshmallowfinder · 03/02/2025 19:02

BallerinaRadio · 03/02/2025 17:23

And you get people saying nonsense like this that isn't anywhere near true.

It's not nonsense at all. Where I live, the impact of the increasing population is huge. I don't understand why you can't see this is causing so many problems.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 03/02/2025 19:02

argyllherewecome · 03/02/2025 18:46

How can the incoming population not be a drain on current resources, with this is mind?

The truth is that without immigration our already-on-its-knees NHS would completely fall apart. Hospital wards are being run by Indian and Filipino nursing staff. Many consultants are being recruited in from overseas. Immigrants are paying hefty visa fees for every person in the family and this includes an NHS fee. Contrary to what you read on social media, the overwhelming majority are not in social housing (nor would they even be entitled), or on benefits. Regardless, a lot of the "illegal immigrant" talk on facebook community groups just means anyone who isn't white. They have no idea where they are from, what their status is or who they are. They aren't white though, so they must be a threat.

We wouldn't need that many NHS staff if we didn't have the big increase in population.

NormaleKartoffeln · 03/02/2025 19:01

argyllherewecome · 03/02/2025 19:00

You said "it's not racist not to want a completely open doors policy". I'm pointing out that we don't have, and further I'll add that no one has suggested we should.

Again, I'm not sure the point of your post.

argyllherewecome · 03/02/2025 19:00

NormaleKartoffeln · 03/02/2025 18:48

I'm not sure why you felt the need to write that, because I didn't say we did.

You said "it's not racist not to want a completely open doors policy". I'm pointing out that we don't have, and further I'll add that no one has suggested we should.

bombastix · 03/02/2025 19:00

You'll forgive me but the racism I see is all about those who are not white, post Brexit. It seems to have taken the country backwards

DarkJanuaryMornings · 03/02/2025 18:57

bombastix · 03/02/2025 18:55

Yes exactly. There are some really deluded people who think the conversation is is about nationality or lawfulness. No. It's about skin colour. There are new mealy mouthed phrases to deal with this issue so you don't automatically sound like the BNP of course, with innocent sounding phrases for certain groups.

Is the anti-Polish sentiment also about skin colour?

Lyn348 · 03/02/2025 18:56

45,755 people arrived in small boats in 2022, 36,816 in 2024 (according to BBC). In 1975 that number was around 800. There are so many people wanting to escape their countries for a multitude of reasons and it is a really big problem for many countries.

bombastix · 03/02/2025 18:55

argyllherewecome · 03/02/2025 18:46

How can the incoming population not be a drain on current resources, with this is mind?

The truth is that without immigration our already-on-its-knees NHS would completely fall apart. Hospital wards are being run by Indian and Filipino nursing staff. Many consultants are being recruited in from overseas. Immigrants are paying hefty visa fees for every person in the family and this includes an NHS fee. Contrary to what you read on social media, the overwhelming majority are not in social housing (nor would they even be entitled), or on benefits. Regardless, a lot of the "illegal immigrant" talk on facebook community groups just means anyone who isn't white. They have no idea where they are from, what their status is or who they are. They aren't white though, so they must be a threat.

Yes exactly. There are some really deluded people who think the conversation is is about nationality or lawfulness. No. It's about skin colour. There are new mealy mouthed phrases to deal with this issue so you don't automatically sound like the BNP of course, with innocent sounding phrases for certain groups.

Meadowfinch · 03/02/2025 18:54

Why?

Pressure on housing, pressure on schools, pressure on the NHS, pressure on other infrastructure.

People who have spent a lifetime contributing to the UK Exchequer find themselves struggling to get a doctor's appt for their loved ones while watching economic migrants being housed and fed.

When money is tight people will fight for resources.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 03/02/2025 18:52

Agree about the nhs. I was in icu recently and 90pc of the excellent nurses were Asian. They had been offered great packages to come over during covid. They spoke about coming over in phase one or two of covid.

NormaleKartoffeln · 03/02/2025 18:48

argyllherewecome · 03/02/2025 18:47

We don't have a "complete open door policy".

I'm not sure why you felt the need to write that, because I didn't say we did.

SherbetSweeties · 03/02/2025 18:47

Because the country is busting at the seams. The NHS can't cope, too many ppl wanting a free service. Families having or bringing multiple children here and expecting to be housed, fed and watered.

Schools full and children's needs not fully being met. There are some schools now where English is a second language!

Im no racist I'm all for migration. But we are a tiny island with a failing education system and failing NHS etc there's waiting lists as long as your arm same in housing.

argyllherewecome · 03/02/2025 18:47

NormaleKartoffeln · 03/02/2025 18:44

I'm not anti-immigrant but immigration needs to be a more controlled manner than it currently is. It's not racist (or anything else -ist) not want a complete open doors policy.

Edited

We don't have a "complete open door policy".

argyllherewecome · 03/02/2025 18:46

How can the incoming population not be a drain on current resources, with this is mind?

The truth is that without immigration our already-on-its-knees NHS would completely fall apart. Hospital wards are being run by Indian and Filipino nursing staff. Many consultants are being recruited in from overseas. Immigrants are paying hefty visa fees for every person in the family and this includes an NHS fee. Contrary to what you read on social media, the overwhelming majority are not in social housing (nor would they even be entitled), or on benefits. Regardless, a lot of the "illegal immigrant" talk on facebook community groups just means anyone who isn't white. They have no idea where they are from, what their status is or who they are. They aren't white though, so they must be a threat.

NormaleKartoffeln · 03/02/2025 18:44

I'm not anti-immigrant but immigration needs to be a more controlled manner than it currently is. It's not racist (or anything else -ist) not want a complete open doors policy.

bombastix · 03/02/2025 18:43

People are much less inhibited publicly since Brexit, which was a strongly anti immigrant vote in many areas.

I think overall there was a lot of naivety about the degree of integration in the UK which is quite limited. The riots and commentary in the right wing newspapers show that quite clearly that a lot of voters did not agree. It's just they feel empowered to say so in public; the conversation never stopped in private.

CranfordScones · 03/02/2025 18:42

You need to distinguish between attitudes to immigration and immigrants.

Mass immigration, especially among the lower skilled and those less willing to integrate, hasn't delivered the benefits promised by politicians. So it's reasonable to ask whether the system needs changing. That's rational political discourse.

Whammyyammy · 03/02/2025 18:42

Immigration can be legal and illegal.
People are fed up with the illegal side of it.
It's a strain on housing, infrastructure and government resources.

COL doesn't help, folk are struggling and seeing constant photos on social media of illegal immigrants being handed phones, hotel rooms, money....And higher crime rates.