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Neighbour sending me unacceptable videos on WhatsApp

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AlliBallyBoo · 02/02/2025 20:30

Neighbour, generally nice older woman, perfectly civil but since the winter fuel allowance thing has taken to spouting all sorts of bigotry on Facebook r.e. immigration and immigrants etc.

All the usual stuff you can think of r.e. over here robbing pensioners, stealing jobs, grooming girls, sharia law coming to a town near you, not real refugees. Not just reposted, reposted with her own commentary peppered with the kinds of slurs you'd expect in a 70s sitcom etc. unfriend her because I just don't want to see it.

She's now taken to WhatsApp-ing me links to far right websites and tweets and sending short videos demonising immigrants and refugees etc.

I've messaged back saying I don't want to receive these types of messages and now blocked her.

Not sure what to do. Not sure if I should report her to the police, if she's sending it to me she's definitely sending it to others and whilst I'm not keen on telling tales on people this feels like it goes on unchallenged too often and is part of the reason that xenophobic rhetoric has become so commonplace.

Any thoughts?

OP posts:
DBSFstupid · 03/02/2025 01:11

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/02/2025 00:54

Block her if you don't like her. But report her for having an opinion? Er, just no.

Seriously, how wet have we become!?

👏👏👏

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/02/2025 00:54

Block her if you don't like her. But report her for having an opinion? Er, just no.

Seriously, how wet have we become!?

JHound · 03/02/2025 00:53

JKRisGalileo · 03/02/2025 00:32

The use of the term "hate speech" is not "merely a descriptor". This is a minimisation of the fact that the term is being used to label, pursue and persecute people who hold views that differ from those of the person using the term. It is a term that is increasingly being used to intimidate those who have relevant and reasonable questions and objections to policies that are being imposed undemocratically and without sufficient, rigorous debate. It creates a climate of fear and stifles free speech and free thought. It is the epitome of intolerance.

But she is engaging in hate speech.

In that regard it is merely a descriptor of what she is doing.

It’s mind boggling to me that people having no issue with being bigoted and engaging in hate speech - but get mortally offended when you point that is what they are doing.

While there is no universal definition this is from the UN and this accurately reflects her comments:

To provide a unified framework for the United Nations to address the issue globally, the UN Strategy and Plan of Action on Hate Speech defines hate speech as…“any kind of communication in speech, writing or behaviour, that attacks or uses pejorative or discriminatory language with reference to a person or a group on the basis of who they are, in other words, based on their religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, colour, descent, gender or other identity factor.”

Maybe we just have a difference of opinion over what is “relevant and reasonable” but none of this seems “relevant” or “reasonable” to me:

We should rise up against them and clear them from our streets
Bring back hanging for them
They should be shot by the navy in the channel and left to drown
People have the duty to patrol the streets to keep British women safe

JKRisGalileo · 03/02/2025 00:32

The use of the term "hate speech" is not "merely a descriptor". This is a minimisation of the fact that the term is being used to label, pursue and persecute people who hold views that differ from those of the person using the term. It is a term that is increasingly being used to intimidate those who have relevant and reasonable questions and objections to policies that are being imposed undemocratically and without sufficient, rigorous debate. It creates a climate of fear and stifles free speech and free thought. It is the epitome of intolerance.

JHound · 03/02/2025 00:22

JKRisGalileo · 02/02/2025 23:37

It is perfectly reasonable to block her if you don't like her views. However, reporting her to the police would be completely unreasonable and even vindictive on your part.
A democracy used to mean that one tolerated those who held different views. Labelling different views as 'hate speech' is intolerant and totalitarian and does nothing to promote civilised discourse and social cohesion. Punishing her for holding ideas you don't approve of might make you feel as though you're a 'good person', but will not change her views to yours. Indeed, it may well turn her into a local martyr, since there are currently many examples of unjust overreach in policing ordinary law-abiding people's views: the widespread sympathy for victims of such targeting is going to cause a huge backlash when elections come around. Do you really want to punish this lady so badly that you would go to the trouble of sending the police to frighten her into complying with your own viewpoints?

Why is labelling hate speech, “hate speech” intolerant? It’s merely a descriptor.

JHound · 03/02/2025 00:20

Zebedee999 · 02/02/2025 22:54

Old woman has political views shocker!
This all started when Gordon Brown called a little old lady a bigot because she dared to say she didn't like the changing face of her town... 20 years later those same old ladies get threatened with Police visits by Nazis because they disagree with her views.
Her opinion is as valid as yours. Block her and move on.

Saying people should be shot in the channel and left to drown or that we should “rise up against” asylum seekers are “equally valid opinions”

I can support somebody’s right to think what they wish but clearly racism and xenophobia are not “as valid as” the opposite.

JustSawJohnny · 03/02/2025 00:03

Whotenanny · 02/02/2025 20:54

Report her to the police, really? 🙄 She's entitled to her opinion.

Of course, unless some of that '1970's' language OP mentioned includes literal slurs.

Hate isn't an opinion.

Nobody would be dropping the N or P word on my messages and not getting their arse handed to them.

JKRisGalileo · 02/02/2025 23:37

It is perfectly reasonable to block her if you don't like her views. However, reporting her to the police would be completely unreasonable and even vindictive on your part.
A democracy used to mean that one tolerated those who held different views. Labelling different views as 'hate speech' is intolerant and totalitarian and does nothing to promote civilised discourse and social cohesion. Punishing her for holding ideas you don't approve of might make you feel as though you're a 'good person', but will not change her views to yours. Indeed, it may well turn her into a local martyr, since there are currently many examples of unjust overreach in policing ordinary law-abiding people's views: the widespread sympathy for victims of such targeting is going to cause a huge backlash when elections come around. Do you really want to punish this lady so badly that you would go to the trouble of sending the police to frighten her into complying with your own viewpoints?

Crikeyalmighty · 02/02/2025 23:26

I would just block - and ignore her too - I don't pretend to be friends with such people- they are entitled to an opinion- they aren't entitled to foist it on you and expect you not to form an opinion of them

Househunter2025 · 02/02/2025 22:57

Tekbrobillionaire · 02/02/2025 22:14

And in tomorrow’s edition of Things That Never Happened, we bring you… “far right aliens appeared on my TV and tried to communicate with me against my will”.

Why do you think this wouldn't happen? It surely happens all the time. There are loads of stupid racists out there unfortunately

Househunter2025 · 02/02/2025 22:56

OwlInTheOak · 02/02/2025 22:17

Nowhere does it say she's shown, threatened or called for violence.
People have freedom of speech if it's not causing harm. If OP is an immigrant it could class as harassment though.

Rising up against and clear them from the streets or shoot them sounds pretty violent to me. I would report that to the police. Hopefully she does not actually think that otherwise she's no better than Hitler.

Zebedee999 · 02/02/2025 22:54

SerenStarEtoile · 02/02/2025 20:48

You can report anonymously to Crimestoppers, if you don’t want to use the PoliceUK HateCrime reporting format. Because hate crime is illegal.

Old woman has political views shocker!
This all started when Gordon Brown called a little old lady a bigot because she dared to say she didn't like the changing face of her town... 20 years later those same old ladies get threatened with Police visits by Nazis because they disagree with her views.
Her opinion is as valid as yours. Block her and move on.

SerenStarEtoile · 02/02/2025 22:49

@maddening

Pure as the driven slush!

OwlInTheOak · 02/02/2025 22:17

ClockingOffers · 02/02/2025 21:17

@GabriellaMontez @maddening @Whotenanny

The neighbour is committing a criminal offence by sending unsolicited racist messages.

https://www.met.police.uk/ro/report/hate-crime/information/v1/hate-crime/what-is-hate-crime/

A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation and disability.

Hate content may include:

  • messages calling for violence against a specific person or group
  • web pages that show pictures, videos or descriptions of violence against anyone due to their perceived differences
  • chat forums where people ask other people to commit hate crimes against a specific person or group

Nowhere does it say she's shown, threatened or called for violence.
People have freedom of speech if it's not causing harm. If OP is an immigrant it could class as harassment though.

theduchessofspork · 02/02/2025 22:16

Tekbrobillionaire · 02/02/2025 22:14

And in tomorrow’s edition of Things That Never Happened, we bring you… “far right aliens appeared on my TV and tried to communicate with me against my will”.

You aren’t familiar with batshit people on SM then?

theduchessofspork · 02/02/2025 22:15

You’ve blocked her, I’d forget about it now, it doesn’t sound like she’s doing anything illegal.

Tittat50 · 02/02/2025 22:15

I've seen comments like that and worse all over comments sections on FB. Prejudice in some form is pretty common I believe. So on SM you see disabled babies mocked, you see comments about learning disabled kids, about race, all sorts.

They just sound like someone who is a bit stupid. I'd keep a distance because I wouldn't trust their character. I wouldn't report it. If I were in the group they target and identifiable as such I probably would for my own safety though tbh.

Tekbrobillionaire · 02/02/2025 22:14

And in tomorrow’s edition of Things That Never Happened, we bring you… “far right aliens appeared on my TV and tried to communicate with me against my will”.

alien GIF
YourHappyJadeEagle · 02/02/2025 22:14

AlliBallyBoo · 02/02/2025 22:03

In addition to nonsense like them getting free iPhones and living in plush hotels etc some of the more unacceptable messages have been things like:

We should rise up against them and clear them from our streets

Bring back hanging for them

They should be shot by the navy in the channel and left to drown

People have the duty to patrol the streets to keep British women safe

None of it specific just this type of thing.

I've blocked her and if asked why I'll let her know. Thanks for everyone's thoughts on it.

Omg she sounds vile. I’d block her on everything and tell her I don’t want to hear any more of her vitriol.

JHound · 02/02/2025 22:09

AlliBallyBoo · 02/02/2025 22:03

In addition to nonsense like them getting free iPhones and living in plush hotels etc some of the more unacceptable messages have been things like:

We should rise up against them and clear them from our streets

Bring back hanging for them

They should be shot by the navy in the channel and left to drown

People have the duty to patrol the streets to keep British women safe

None of it specific just this type of thing.

I've blocked her and if asked why I'll let her know. Thanks for everyone's thoughts on it.

Oh yes - the “evil swarthy men are a danger to our women” nonsense.

If we banned all foreigners, abuse and violence against women would disappear overnight…

Kinkyroots · 02/02/2025 22:08

SerenStarEtoile · 02/02/2025 20:48

You can report anonymously to Crimestoppers, if you don’t want to use the PoliceUK HateCrime reporting format. Because hate crime is illegal.

There has to actually be a crime committed, which the victim/s believe was motivated as a consequence of their ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc. FB is full of this bile,and nothing can be done about it.block block and ignore. Sadly the world has seething stupidity at its core now. It ain’t gonna get better.

TinyMouseTheatre · 02/02/2025 22:06

I take a different view. I keep them on my SM and post "helpful" alternatives to their view Grin

AlliBallyBoo · 02/02/2025 22:03

In addition to nonsense like them getting free iPhones and living in plush hotels etc some of the more unacceptable messages have been things like:

We should rise up against them and clear them from our streets

Bring back hanging for them

They should be shot by the navy in the channel and left to drown

People have the duty to patrol the streets to keep British women safe

None of it specific just this type of thing.

I've blocked her and if asked why I'll let her know. Thanks for everyone's thoughts on it.

OP posts:
maddening · 02/02/2025 22:03

SerenStarEtoile · 02/02/2025 21:44

Sorry! Not addressed to all. That’s a post for @GabriellaMontez @maddening

I don't support reform or watch gb news - enjoy your purity spiral though

DBSFstupid · 02/02/2025 22:00

Whotenanny · 02/02/2025 20:54

Report her to the police, really? 🙄 She's entitled to her opinion.

Exactly. It's unbelievable.