Canadians & the US tariff war

The last time Trump was in power he started a trade war which almost killed the American farming industry. Farmers had to be bailed out by tax payers to the tune of $32billion.

This is what happens when you’re crazy and surrounded by yes men. The fact millions of people voted him back in is insane.

@curious79 and you think Trump wouldn't have been out there mandating the jab if he had been in power ? - he was all behind developing the vaccine when in power . This was the guy who was busy suggesting in all seriousness some really dodgy 'remedies'

Personally I think it's great he's showed his hand this early - I think it's going to utterly backfire - the guy is a moron -they tried this years ago pre war and it simply didn't work -the problem here in UK is do we piss off the car manufacturers or allow unfettered access to all our services- my own belief is we stand firm or it will never end - and we sort out a customs union with EU asap - we actually don't have that much we really need that is imported from US- only thing it's bugger for me personally is our business US exports ( not huge ) and my Californian wine habit

Trump was voted in because too many people are down the same disinformation rabbit hole as you apparently are.

Also, you might want to look up who negotiated the Afghanistan withdrawal. Hint: it was the first Trump administration.

The US is facing a decline in the same way the UK was a century ago. When Europe tore itself apart the US became the world's economic superpower. Now it's China's turn. Alienating western allies isn't going to end well for anyone but China.

Canada supply huge quantities of water, electricity, lumber & steel among other essential materials that the US need for their car industry.
I can't see how the US can maintain their customs price increase when all these products become either less available or cost 25% more.

Team Canada

@RayonSunrise

Another excellent point.

@HeBeaverandSheBeaver NAFTA, the EU, the UN, the WTO, and other rules-based international agreements were how the West was balancing growth with protecting its political and economic interests. Now that the US is pulling down its own system and turning on its allies, I'm afraid it's the best opportunity China's yet had. (Almost as good as the US pulling away from international development and letting China quietly buy up all the mineral contracts through Africa...)

China are definitely going to be the world leaders by 2050

The west is done. We can't compete with them and they are getting into our life through social media and cheap selling sites.

If our govt can't step up and provide good jobs for their own citizens and protect us and th planet from this shit then we may as well forget improvement in our standards of living.

This sounds very conspiracy theory but sadly I fear it isn't

Today he has turned his attentions to South Africa. Can't wait until he reaches the Antipodes and fixes us as well.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn01z1yy0jno

For anyone who hasn’t yet seen this rather great speech (however you feel about Trudeau) about Canada’s response to the tariffs.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=nLB46AR_O94

Team Canada!!!!🇨🇦

I think we can safely say that Trump has all but ripped up NAFTA soon think we should go elsewhere. Sorta feels like with Russian sanctions this could be our time….

Yes www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8d90v1m6qvt

Exactly
I would love them to do this. Team Canada 🇨🇦

@curious79 I suspect most Canadians would like to see Americans sorting out their own house before they start abusing their allies to make it seem as though they're accomplishing something. But as you've demonstrated, they don't care.

Trump is clearly a bell end, but he’s been voted in off the back of a government that mandated a jab that they knew was dangerous, then censored any dissenting voices, directed a chaotic and disastrous abandonment of Afghanistan, and effectively allowed a senile old man to be in charge thereby preventing any effective challenger from coming through in the primaries. The thing that surprises me most is that people in Europe /UK are even surprised he was voted in and can’t see that the former government was also pretty terrible in parts

I think NAFTA mean Canada was selling their oil and gas at a lower rate to the US, so they could just sell it at market rate, then add the 25%.

I have lots of family in Canada and my Facebook 8s flooded with lists of products Canadians can buy that are Canadian made. Maybe this will be a positive thing for Canadian industry. I can imagine more companies pushing that they are made in Canada and more Canadians making sure they are buying Canadian goods.

Infrastructure, I'm assuming. Canada will have built pipelines to get energy into the US, as NAFTA has been in place for so long it's been the obvious biggest market for them.

I'd assume everything can also be sent by ship, though. Even if it might be slower/more expensive to do so.

I’m probably completely naive but why can’t Canada just say ok well we’ll take our oil elsewhere thankyou very much and offer good prices to Mexico, EU etc. US would be screwed without it.

I don't think Trump has thought that one through, as usual...

Canada, Mexico and China have reacted the smart way by calling his bluff, talking about imposing tariffs of their own and building stronger links with one another.

Ultimately, he is trying to increase the footprint of U.S influence to counteract China.
Soʻ why has he imposed lesser tariffs on China than Canada and Mexico? He's all talk. Let's see how long this lasts in the face of rampant inflation in the US. I hope Canada, Mexico and the EU take him at his word and find trade elsewhere. We won't. We'll lie back and take it because of our one sided ' special relationship. All my Canadian family are sharing lists of Canadian alternatives to American goods that they should buy.

I’m seeing quite a few Americans on Insta in complete bewilderment and horror. Somebody popped up on my feed saying it’s like living through Covid and the days since he’s been in power have been gruelling with the worry caused by the relentless measures he keeps signing off. I suspect many are bewildered and scared. I have faith in the American people.

Trump will be out of power in 4 years & it's hard to see that he has any natural heir who will continue the bull in china shop tactics. Vance will implode I suspect. I imagine that Mexico & Canada are seeing this situation as "negotiate very choppy seas" not "this storm will last forever".