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Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico

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Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 09:23

Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.

He says it’s because of phen and illegal immigration - less than 1% come from Canada.

This will have significant implications for the Canadian economy, the American economy and by domino the world. Not to mention the fact it could start a significant trade war.

The US doesn’t subsidise Canada - they buy Canadian goods. Approx 40% of their crude oil comes from Canada for example.

There is also an agreed trade deal between the US/Canada and Mexico that Trump agreed to and signed in his first years in office.

YABU - it doesn’t matter to me
YANBU - let’s stand up to a bully and support our allies

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RobinEllacotStrike · 04/02/2025 21:25

Still getting all those "facts" of yours from US owned Wikipedia I see.

ChessorBuckaroo · 04/02/2025 21:22

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/02/2025 20:45

Those bloody Romans again.

Imagine inventing self healing concert over 2000 years ago and then losing the recipe. They should have invented a better filing system.

They probably did the same with the ice cream recipe.

Very careless those Romans. 😂😂

You've gone awfully quiet!

"Cement" FFS

It was also the bleedin Brits who built the first modern roads over there (Scottish engineer John Loudon McAdam). The image below is of that very road.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macadam

The mac in his name is preceded by tar, to make tarmac, patented by Welsh inventor Edgar Purnell Hooley in 1902.

The Brits also exported the first train they used
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stourbridge_Lion

The Brits also invented the steel they used to make skyscrapers, Bessemer steel named after its inventor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Bessemer

And the outer shell of skyscrapers, the curtain wall, invented by Peter Ellis in Liverpool in 1865, which the american architects witnessed and took back.

So road, rail, steel, curtain wall, and...the Iron bridge, with (naturally enough) the first being The Iron Bridge

Basically most of america's infrastructure uses British stuff. Even the bleedin wooden desk Trump uses, the Resolute desk, is British (a gift by Queen Victoria).

Macadam - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macadam

cakeorwine · 04/02/2025 21:18

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/02/2025 21:04

Surely it's better for the environment to trade with our closest neighbours when possible?

One of the reasons Brexit didn't make sense is we ended up trading with countries much further away, at a time we are meant to be prioritising the environment.

All of this concern about the environment amounts to nothing if we don't consider the environment in big decisions. In every decision really.

What is the value of that? If a product is "cheap" there is usually someone or something being exploited in the creation of it. Watch "The Story of Stuff" on Whatever the non USA owned version of You Tube is.

Canada's a massive country with unfathomable natural resources. Shopping local, buying Canadian should be quite easy.

But in this time of climate crisis it would be nuts to increase trade with South Africa for products that could be bought from USA to punish a rich man who really doesn't give a fuck.

Doesn't that also depend on the environment, the regulations, the standards that the product is manufactured in?

Your nearest neighbour may not care too much about the environment and may not have good standards when it comes to making the product you want to buy.

Sally20099 · 04/02/2025 21:07

throwawayaway1 · 04/02/2025 15:13

I looked it up. It seems to exist only in the Daily Mail, so I didn't click the link

you didn’t look hard! I read it in the telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/01/26/voters-donald-trump-border-emergency-channel-us-tariffs-dei

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/02/2025 21:04

cakeorwine · 04/02/2025 20:47

And if Canada can buy stuff it needs cheaper elsewhere - or stuff that suits its values, regulations etc - then why not?

Surely it's better for the environment to trade with our closest neighbours when possible?

One of the reasons Brexit didn't make sense is we ended up trading with countries much further away, at a time we are meant to be prioritising the environment.

All of this concern about the environment amounts to nothing if we don't consider the environment in big decisions. In every decision really.

What is the value of that? If a product is "cheap" there is usually someone or something being exploited in the creation of it. Watch "The Story of Stuff" on Whatever the non USA owned version of You Tube is.

Canada's a massive country with unfathomable natural resources. Shopping local, buying Canadian should be quite easy.

But in this time of climate crisis it would be nuts to increase trade with South Africa for products that could be bought from USA to punish a rich man who really doesn't give a fuck.

cakeorwine · 04/02/2025 20:53

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:50

Well of course. I'm just saying that's what's riling him it seems. So to poke the bear doesn't seem like a solution that will work, that's all. It will just ramp it up I reckon.

A trade treaty with Trump seems like a worthless piece of paper people would be pleased with but I suppose some people would want to appease him in this so as not to annoy him.

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:50

cakeorwine · 04/02/2025 20:47

And if Canada can buy stuff it needs cheaper elsewhere - or stuff that suits its values, regulations etc - then why not?

Well of course. I'm just saying that's what's riling him it seems. So to poke the bear doesn't seem like a solution that will work, that's all. It will just ramp it up I reckon.

cakeorwine · 04/02/2025 20:50

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:47

Perhaps he will.

But would people want to trade with Trump when he treats his allies like this and rips up trade treaties at a whim?

An unreliable person to do business with .

cakeorwine · 04/02/2025 20:47

And if Canada can buy stuff it needs cheaper elsewhere - or stuff that suits its values, regulations etc - then why not?

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:47

cakeorwine · 04/02/2025 20:45

Maybe Trump should look elsewhere to buy stuff from then instead of Canada?

Or make it themselves.

Perhaps he will.

cakeorwine · 04/02/2025 20:45

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:44

Just under $70 billion.

With the US having the biggest trade deficits with Mexico and China, and you being right next door - a huge country not buying as much as your selling, I bet that's why he's pissed.

So if you spend even less I can't see that helping.

Maybe Trump should look elsewhere to buy stuff from then instead of Canada?

Or make it themselves.

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/02/2025 20:45

SinnerBoy · 04/02/2025 20:31

Ice cream has been here since the Victorian era. The Italians have been the masters of it.

Another Roman thing, predating the Victorians by 2,000 years.

Those bloody Romans again.

Imagine inventing self healing concert over 2000 years ago and then losing the recipe. They should have invented a better filing system.

They probably did the same with the ice cream recipe.

Very careless those Romans. 😂😂

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:44

OneLemonDog · 04/02/2025 20:34

The scale of the trade deficit is being grossly exaggerated and I doubt it has anything to do with Donald's dick-waving. He goods up a new nonsense excuse for the tariffs each time he talks about them.

But yes, an increasing deficit could rile Trump up more - but we won't be blackmailed by threats to our sovereignty.

If the US economy starts to be hurt by this, then hopefully enough voters Will see who is to blame.

Just under $70 billion.

With the US having the biggest trade deficits with Mexico and China, and you being right next door - a huge country not buying as much as your selling, I bet that's why he's pissed.

So if you spend even less I can't see that helping.

cakeorwine · 04/02/2025 20:41

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:25

But won't that just make Canada's trade deficit with the USA even bigger than it already is, and therefore just rile Trump with you even more?

The UK doesn't have a trade deficit with the USA so we aren't in the firing line.

If you were Canadian and Trump spoke to the country like he did in his tweets (Sorry, Truths) how would you react?

Would you buy more American products just to appease him?

cakeorwine · 04/02/2025 20:39

OneLemonDog · 04/02/2025 20:21

Seems to be here in Canada. First day in-office (stereotypically, snowfall meant working from home yesterday) after the weekend's nonsense and I don't think I have a single colleague who isn't taking part to some extent. Shopkeepers have commented too.

Not an absolute boycott, but making a far greater effort to buy Canadian and avoid US products wherever possible. The Government is also looking at ways to reduce dependence on US goods and services.

And that's a consequence when you treat your allies like this.

OneLemonDog · 04/02/2025 20:34

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:25

But won't that just make Canada's trade deficit with the USA even bigger than it already is, and therefore just rile Trump with you even more?

The UK doesn't have a trade deficit with the USA so we aren't in the firing line.

The scale of the trade deficit is being grossly exaggerated and I doubt it has anything to do with Donald's dick-waving. He goods up a new nonsense excuse for the tariffs each time he talks about them.

But yes, an increasing deficit could rile Trump up more - but we won't be blackmailed by threats to our sovereignty.

If the US economy starts to be hurt by this, then hopefully enough voters Will see who is to blame.

ChessorBuckaroo · 04/02/2025 20:33

And more... Amazon, ordering at home.

Mail order is a British concept from the Victorian era, facilitated via two things, the invention of railways (by the British) to transport the goods, and the modern postal system (British invention) by Sir Rowland Hill

Pryce-Jones could only dream of the impact his entrepreneurial vision would have on the world when he was selling Welsh flannel to Queen Victoria and Florence Nightingale in the late 1800s. Jones is credited as being the pioneer of a global mail order industry now worth about £75bn. Forget the internet and delivery drivers, Pryce-Jones used the superhighway of the day—the railway and parcel post
—"The mail-order pioneer who started a billion-pound industry", BBC News, December 2020.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55244397

Pryce Pryce-Jones

Christmas: The mail order pioneer who started a billion-pound industry

How a 19th Century draper "set up a company similar to Amazon" and created a billion pound industry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55244397

SinnerBoy · 04/02/2025 20:31

Ice cream has been here since the Victorian era. The Italians have been the masters of it.

Another Roman thing, predating the Victorians by 2,000 years.

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:25

OneLemonDog · 04/02/2025 20:21

Seems to be here in Canada. First day in-office (stereotypically, snowfall meant working from home yesterday) after the weekend's nonsense and I don't think I have a single colleague who isn't taking part to some extent. Shopkeepers have commented too.

Not an absolute boycott, but making a far greater effort to buy Canadian and avoid US products wherever possible. The Government is also looking at ways to reduce dependence on US goods and services.

But won't that just make Canada's trade deficit with the USA even bigger than it already is, and therefore just rile Trump with you even more?

The UK doesn't have a trade deficit with the USA so we aren't in the firing line.

ChessorBuckaroo · 04/02/2025 20:24

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/02/2025 20:19

@ChessorBuckaroo your points are pointless

😂

No, your trivial list was pointless. Everything on it bar the computer hardware/software was disposable, ie. piss easy not to use.

US television? As Morrissey said on Jonanthan Ross, "it's for children".

Friends was utter garbage. So crap they stole the scene from Merry christmas Mr Bean (now that was a great show) when he had a turkey on his head.

Parker231 · 04/02/2025 20:23

OneLemonDog · 04/02/2025 20:21

Seems to be here in Canada. First day in-office (stereotypically, snowfall meant working from home yesterday) after the weekend's nonsense and I don't think I have a single colleague who isn't taking part to some extent. Shopkeepers have commented too.

Not an absolute boycott, but making a far greater effort to buy Canadian and avoid US products wherever possible. The Government is also looking at ways to reduce dependence on US goods and services.

We’re doing the same as are friends and neighbours. Quality of Canadian food is so much better than US.

OneLemonDog · 04/02/2025 20:21

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:16

This proposed boycott is going well 😂

Seems to be here in Canada. First day in-office (stereotypically, snowfall meant working from home yesterday) after the weekend's nonsense and I don't think I have a single colleague who isn't taking part to some extent. Shopkeepers have commented too.

Not an absolute boycott, but making a far greater effort to buy Canadian and avoid US products wherever possible. The Government is also looking at ways to reduce dependence on US goods and services.

Parker231 · 04/02/2025 20:21

Househunter2025 · 04/02/2025 20:03

What do we export to the US?

Primarily machinery, chemicals and transport equipment

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/02/2025 20:19

@ChessorBuckaroo your points are pointless

RobinEllacotStrike · 04/02/2025 20:18

ticktickticktickBOOM · 04/02/2025 20:16

This proposed boycott is going well 😂

Everyone is frantically looking up US companies on Google 😁