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Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico

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Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 09:23

Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.

He says it’s because of phen and illegal immigration - less than 1% come from Canada.

This will have significant implications for the Canadian economy, the American economy and by domino the world. Not to mention the fact it could start a significant trade war.

The US doesn’t subsidise Canada - they buy Canadian goods. Approx 40% of their crude oil comes from Canada for example.

There is also an agreed trade deal between the US/Canada and Mexico that Trump agreed to and signed in his first years in office.

YABU - it doesn’t matter to me
YANBU - let’s stand up to a bully and support our allies

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RobinEllacotStrike · 25/02/2025 17:34

carchi · 25/02/2025 16:03

Personally I think that men who identify as women and are happy to beat a woman about in a boxing ring are the real bullies

to quote the Danish PM "Let me quote Sun Tzu's The Art of War. ‘All warfare is based on deception’"

Nothing is more based on deception and lies than gender ideology. "TWAW No debate" etc is pure deception.

The War on the girls and women of the world continues.

carchi · 25/02/2025 16:03

CovenOfCheeses · 25/02/2025 12:14

Trump the rapist and serial sexual abuser does not care about women’s rights. He just cares about abusing people who are weak. He is a bully and we need to stand up to him.

Personally I think that men who identify as women and are happy to beat a woman about in a boxing ring are the real bullies

Parker231 · 25/02/2025 13:26

Brilliant speech from the Danish PM

Today we have heard some outstanding speeches from NATO ally leaders. However, this one from the Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen, was the one that spoke to me for sure.

I think it’s time to stop pretending to ourselves that the U.S. is anything but an impediment to solving this existential threat, to the welfare and safety of all our citizens.

Let me quote Sun Tzu's The Art of War. ‘All warfare is based on deception’ and for sure, Putin has waged a war of deception. He projected the historical power of the mighty Red army in a bid to quickly overrun Ukraine. He attempted to do it with untrained poorly equipped troops, on out of date rations.

Putin rolled the dice thinking NATO would not commit troops to help defend Ukraine and he was right. What he didn’t plan for, was the lion spirit of the Ukrainian people and the ingenuity of their military engineers. Their work with drones and sea drones has redefined battlefield strategy. Once allies started providing javelin anti-tank missiles and supporting artillery, the game changed. They prevented the Russians from achieving air superiority? And the Russian Black Sea Fleet had to retreat from port.

It is testament to the Ukrainian army and air force, Russia has been held back against all the odds. Let’s be clear, the military has achieved what it has, not because of us, but in-spite of us. We have only given them enough weapons to hold the bear back, not to evict it. There were constant delays, waiting on artillery shells, HIMARS and ATACMS, as well as tanks and F16s.

WE HAVE LET THEM DOWN. Yet these brave men and women have innovated and made do, to defend not only their country, but our borders too. WE OWE THEM BIG TIME. Not with words and sympathy, but with the proper tools to get the job done.

America has disgracefully walked away and aligned with our enemy. The U.S. president’s pet, Elon Musk along with JD Vance, have meanwhile actively supported far right political parties in Europe. Then Vance had the audacity to turn up and lecture us on our own doorstep. What was our answer? ‘Please don’t hurt us’.

This week, we see a slow procession of European leaders making the pilgrimage to the court of Mad King Don for a humiliation session. Pardon my French but ‘fck that’, it’s time to stand tall and tell Trump to ‘fck right off’ and if it were me. I’d tell him to take his airbases with him too and cancel all military arms contracts.

If he wants access to Ukrainian minerals that’s fine. Ukraine HAS NO DEBT with the U.S. They simply have the thanks of a grateful nation. There was no loan agreement. If he wants mineral rights, then provide an arms package as a down payment for future revenues. Leave the deal on the table for a week and if it’s not signed, pull the deal. Then they get nothing and in addition, no bids will be accepted from US companies for the reconstruction of Ukraine after the war. Now that’s the art of the deal.

As for NATO allies, Trump is walking away regardless, so Europe needs to get its act together NOW. Seize Russian assets and use the funds to fire up the European military industrial base. This will create jobs and growth, while capacity is expanded in all countries with an arms manufacturing capability.

In the meantime, we already have the ability, especially if Poland steps up, to defend against any increased Russian aggression. The British military has already said, if it were needed, we would meet that threat head on today. If this collective approach is taken, the Russian army in Ukraine could be crushed just as crushed the Iraqi army in Desert Storm.

It’s time to show the Americans their services are no longer required. Then when the war is over, we can look to promote the Euro as the new global reserve currency. No harm in ambition I say.

We need to believe in ourselves. It’s time to get the job done and show the world FAFO. There’s only one village idiot in this town and it’s not Zelenskyy.

I rest my case.

CovenOfCheeses · 25/02/2025 12:14

Grammarnut · 05/02/2025 09:49

But banning transwomen from women's space was a step towards regaining many women's rights which have been lost.

Trump the rapist and serial sexual abuser does not care about women’s rights. He just cares about abusing people who are weak. He is a bully and we need to stand up to him.

MissyB1 · 07/02/2025 18:36

ChessorBuckaroo · 07/02/2025 16:16

What did little Stevie do in the 1960s in regard to segregation in america? Genuine question. He would have been 18 when MLK was killed.

Was he out protesting or did he save that for South Africa?

As you said he would have been very young in the 60s, but older and more confident in the 80s. And maybe he was out protesting when MLK was killed who knows?

Do you have a problem with him protesting against apartheid in SA?

ChessorBuckaroo · 07/02/2025 16:30

SerendipityJane · 07/02/2025 16:20

How long has Google been down ?

I know about Sun city.

I'm asking what protesting did he do in segregated america.

And being of Italian descent, what are his views on Christopher Columbus, the imperialist who instigated the genocide against non white peoples in america and the transatlantic slave trade.

SerendipityJane · 07/02/2025 16:29

ChessorBuckaroo · 07/02/2025 16:22

Fuck me.

Detaining descendants of a people whose land these imperialists took.

These white settler monsters have no shame.

This is nothing new. The US government still hasn't obeyed the SCOTUS decision to return the Black Hills

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Sioux_Nation_of_Indians#Supreme_Court_decision

United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Sioux_Nation_of_Indians#Supreme_Court_decision

ChessorBuckaroo · 07/02/2025 16:22

Fuck me.

Detaining descendants of a people whose land these imperialists took.

These white settler monsters have no shame.

SerendipityJane · 07/02/2025 16:20

ChessorBuckaroo · 07/02/2025 16:16

What did little Stevie do in the 1960s in regard to segregation in america? Genuine question. He would have been 18 when MLK was killed.

Was he out protesting or did he save that for South Africa?

How long has Google been down ?

ChessorBuckaroo · 07/02/2025 16:16

SerendipityJane · 07/02/2025 16:08

Queen went to Sun City and the reaction was very different.

You must have missed the probe sweep of the world that removed that fact from everyones brains after the cannonisation of the late Sir Fredswell Mercury

Respect to Little Stevie - I ain't gonna play Sun City.

What did little Stevie do in the 1960s in regard to segregation in america? Genuine question. He would have been 18 when MLK was killed.

Was he out protesting or did he save that for South Africa?

SerendipityJane · 07/02/2025 16:08

Queen went to Sun City and the reaction was very different.

You must have missed the probe sweep of the world that removed that fact from everyones brains after the cannonisation of the late Sir Fredswell Mercury

Respect to Little Stevie - I ain't gonna play Sun City.

SerendipityJane · 07/02/2025 16:06

The whole idea of boycotting is nonsense (unless in extreme circumstances such as apartheid South Africa where you would be endorsing a regime).

Boycotts can also miss nuance. My DM boycotted South African fruit because she was opposed to apartheid. However she mentioned it once to a mum at school (this was the late 60s) and they completely agreed with the boycott. Because they didn't like the idea of all those black hands touching the fruit. 😳

RingoJuice · 07/02/2025 16:06

Upstartled · 07/02/2025 16:01

Absolutely, but the Deporter in Chief's record seems to have flown entirely under the liberal radar. Odd, right?

iirc he counted border encounters too. But border control was in fact taken seriously under Obama’s initial years. It used to be a left-wing cause

Upstartled · 07/02/2025 16:01

RingoJuice · 07/02/2025 15:53

Deporting illegal immigrants is something the federal government is supposed to do. Maybe the UK should try it

Absolutely, but the Deporter in Chief's record seems to have flown entirely under the liberal radar. Odd, right?

ChessorBuckaroo · 07/02/2025 15:59

DdraigGoch · 07/02/2025 15:46

So with all this in mind, was there a backlash against america's racist policies in the 1960s in the same way there was against Apartheid South Africa?
@ChessorBuckaroo attitudes did change between the 1960s and 1980s in the UK. "No Irish, no blacks, no dogs" signs were common at one point, remember. It's difficult to make a comparison. If the US reversed civil rights in the 1980s would it have faced a similar backlash to SA? Undoubtedly Hollywood had done its bit to plant a vision of somewhere glamorous in the minds of Brits and skate over the dirty side. That façade is crumbling.

In the 1980s in English football there was a racist hooligan element, racism was still there among the knuckledraggers of society, so that doesn't really explain the difference in attitude towards 1960s america and 1980s South Africa, and there was little to choose between either racially segregated entity.

As I say, I think it's one rule for one

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14963752

The Beatles showed their support for the US civil rights movement by refusing to play in front of segregated audiences, a contract shows.

The document, which is to be auctioned next week, relates a 1965 concert at the Cow Palace in California.

Signed by manager Brian Epstein, it specifies that The Beatles "not be required to perform in front of a segregated audience".

Queen went to Sun City and the reaction was very different.

The Beatles

The Beatles banned segregated audiences, contract shows

The Beatles refused to play to segregated audiences in the US, a contract for one of the group's concerts shows.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14963752

RingoJuice · 07/02/2025 15:53

Upstartled · 07/02/2025 14:35

'They have been rounding up minorities and deporting them'

Guess how many minorites were deported under the Obama administration?

Deporting illegal immigrants is something the federal government is supposed to do. Maybe the UK should try it

DdraigGoch · 07/02/2025 15:46

So with all this in mind, was there a backlash against america's racist policies in the 1960s in the same way there was against Apartheid South Africa?
@ChessorBuckaroo attitudes did change between the 1960s and 1980s in the UK. "No Irish, no blacks, no dogs" signs were common at one point, remember. It's difficult to make a comparison. If the US reversed civil rights in the 1980s would it have faced a similar backlash to SA? Undoubtedly Hollywood had done its bit to plant a vision of somewhere glamorous in the minds of Brits and skate over the dirty side. That façade is crumbling.

ChessorBuckaroo · 07/02/2025 15:31

DdraigGoch · 07/02/2025 13:52

The whole idea of boycotting is nonsense (unless in extreme circumstances such as apartheid South Africa where you would be endorsing a regime).

@ChessorBuckaroo
Well the US government is now de facto run by a racist white South African. The new regime have released all of their insurrectionists from prison and have been dismantling the justice system. They have been rounding up minorities and deporting them. There are a lot of parallels with 1930s Germany.

Valid point.

See the Afrikaner has also aimed his ire at the South African government on their land reform policy.

Apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany were also directly inspired by america who was the global leader in race law, including its segregation policies; anti-miscegenation law (no race mixing/interracial marriage illegal) for one. So there is a lot of kinship between them. Musk is home away from home.

In terms of boycotting, I suppose it depends in how far this regime takes it. Was america boycotted in the 1960s? When Harry Truman was asked in 1963 about the prospect of interracial marraige becoming legal in america he said: "I hope not; I don’t believe in it. Would you want your daughter to marry a Negro? She won't love someone who isn't her color." It also had a white only immigration policy (Hitler admiringly wrote in Mein kampf: "The American Union categorically refuses the immigration of physically unhealthy elements, and simply excludes the immigration of certain races").

Pior to the 1965 act (linked), america was 85% White, with Black people (descendants of slaves) making up 11%, while Latinos made up less than 4%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

america's first naturalization law (1790 naturalization act) restricted naturalized citizenship to "white persons". A man from India in a 1920s legal case was denied american citizenship as he was not deemed white. (NY Times link).

https://www.nytimes.com/1923/02/20/archives/court-rules-hindu-not-a-white-person-bars-high-caste-native-of.html

True americans are white people. That's its foundation as a white setter entity. A land taken by whites (from the natives), for whites. The Africans who were brought over in shackles were only there to work the land taken from the Natives to provide wealth for the white elite, the planter class, jefferson, washington etc.

Non whites were either "savages" (Natives as they are labelled by the racist tyrant jefferson in the 'declaration'), "property" (as African slaves are designated in the articles of confederation), or generally "aliens" (all non whites, none of whom could be citizens).

So with all this in mind, was there a backlash against america's racist policies in the 1960s in the same way there was against Apartheid South Africa?

The Beatles travelled there and there was no backlash (as opposed to Queen who faced a backlash for playing Sun City, South Africa in 1984). The Beatles did refuse to play in front of segregated audiences in Florida, Los Angeles etc. but they still did travel there.

Is there one rule for one and one for another?

Upstartled · 07/02/2025 14:35

'They have been rounding up minorities and deporting them'

Guess how many minorites were deported under the Obama administration?

Maggiethecat · 07/02/2025 14:05

meditrina · 02/02/2025 09:54

Still nobody, and the tax evaders/money launderers will either not care, or move on to a different shop front

Edited to add link

The sour truth of Oxford Street’s candy shop curse | The Standard

Edited

Dh has been saying this for years about these ‘American candy store’ type shops. There was a huge one in Edinburgh that I couldn’t work out how they could bake any money yet I laughed off Dh’s suggestion 😂

DdraigGoch · 07/02/2025 13:52

The whole idea of boycotting is nonsense (unless in extreme circumstances such as apartheid South Africa where you would be endorsing a regime).

@ChessorBuckaroo
Well the US government is now de facto run by a racist white South African. The new regime have released all of their insurrectionists from prison and have been dismantling the justice system. They have been rounding up minorities and deporting them. There are a lot of parallels with 1930s Germany.

ChessorBuckaroo · 07/02/2025 13:19

Ben & Jerry's is a new kid on the block (formed in 1978), Wall's (the main ice cream brand in the UK) dates from 1922. As mentioned by @Chersfrozenface Unilever is the parent company of Wall's, and is also headquartered in London.

There has to be some things that are US made we couldn't do without, but ice cream is certainly not one of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall%27s_(ice_cream)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall's_(ice_cream)

Chersfrozenface · 07/02/2025 07:29

..for example Magnum ice creams. may taste slightly different on holiday.

In Greece it will be called 'Magic' because in that country the name 'Magnum' is owned by Nestlé, whereas the product we know as Magnum is owned by Unilever.

And the sign outside the cafe or shop that sells Magnum will say 'Miko' in France and 'Algida' in Italy.

Bit off topic.

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