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Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico

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Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 09:23

Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.

He says it’s because of phen and illegal immigration - less than 1% come from Canada.

This will have significant implications for the Canadian economy, the American economy and by domino the world. Not to mention the fact it could start a significant trade war.

The US doesn’t subsidise Canada - they buy Canadian goods. Approx 40% of their crude oil comes from Canada for example.

There is also an agreed trade deal between the US/Canada and Mexico that Trump agreed to and signed in his first years in office.

YABU - it doesn’t matter to me
YANBU - let’s stand up to a bully and support our allies

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Potsofpetals · 02/02/2025 11:13

At @mumsnet. Why did you delete my comment calling illegal immigrants criminals. By definition this is what they are. The have crossed a border illegally. Is the dictionary incorrect now?

SerendipityJane · 02/02/2025 11:13

Coming off Twitter would probably be the biggest response. Followed by Facebook.

#justsaying

TheFrendo · 02/02/2025 11:12

No netflix, microsoft, apple, US tv & film, facebook, google, intel, amazon?

I don't think so.

Upstartled · 02/02/2025 11:11

Well the op had Yabu - it doesn't matter to me or Yanbu - I will stand up and support allies (presumably by supporting a boycott of American products outlined in the op). My response was a little tongue in cheek @Tisthedamnseason

Floppyzebra · 02/02/2025 11:11

Suppose there are fast food chains, phones, coffee shops etc...

Potsofpetals · 02/02/2025 11:10

cakeorwine · 02/02/2025 11:03

So putting a tariff on goods from the EU?

Is that what you're suggesting?

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I wouldn’t care less. Who I do care about is Rhiannon Skye Whyte who was stabbed in the neck by an 18 year old illegal immigrant. She was 27 years old.

Let me know how many examples you would like to counteract your argument.

Tisthedamnseason · 02/02/2025 11:09

I didn't say it wouldn't impact the UK, I just don't think there's any point boycotting American goods or believe that it would mitigate the effects. At its worse, it could create a deficit in trade between us and the US and create an incentive to slap tariffs on us as well.

Actually you said "it doesn't matter to me". Which is what people called simplistic.

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Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 11:07

sleepwouldbenice · 02/02/2025 10:21

Possibly a stupid question.... but as he "only" put 10% on fuel , why not increase that internally to 25%/40% and sell your fuel elsewhere? Practical or dumb?

On a side note, what's the chances of Carney getting elected, or is Canada likely to swing more right wing, just wondering how this might shift again as leaderships change?

No it’s a good question! Geographically it has been easy to supply to the US and there are pipelines etc which make this easier, but yes we should be looking to sell elsewhere especially to the UK and Europe where the pound and euro are stronger than the Canadian dollar.

So Trudeau has resigned and Canada has a similar parliamentary system to the UK. The Liberals (Trudeau party) will have to elect a new leader which is currently looking like Mark Carney is the favourite. There will then be an election to follow. Carney has been very very firm in his approach to the US so even if the Liberals are re-elected (looking less likely as they are trailing the Conservatives by some margin) it looks like a strong line. As long as we are holding a hard line no matter the leader the better.

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Unescorted · 02/02/2025 11:06

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It is not illegal to enter a country and claim asylum. It is illegal to remain in a country once your asylum application has been determined and refused. It is also illegal to overstay your visa.

People entering a country are not by definition criminals and even if they were extermination is a very hard line to take. We don't have capital punishment in the UK for far more violent crimes than a visa violation.

Deljay · 02/02/2025 11:03

Phineyj · 02/02/2025 10:50

Those things you mention @Deljay depend on a heap of intellectual property which can, and is, valued and appears on the financial account of the balance of payments of the USA. When financial bods mention "market capitalisation" of e.g. KFC or Google there are actual valuations involved.

Er, yes. I know.

I don't think you're really picking up what I'm putting down.

cakeorwine · 02/02/2025 11:03

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So putting a tariff on goods from the EU?

Is that what you're suggesting?

cakeorwine · 02/02/2025 11:02

Chersfrozenface · 02/02/2025 10:59

Indeed not.

Posted from my phone made in China.

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And where did the rare minerals in the phone come from?
The metal?

China has been making inroads to other countries to get access to such things.

Global trade, raw materials, access to raw materials, the skills required to make them, the knowledge

It's all very complicated.

I remember the issue with US cars and how many components were shipped across the borders back and forth until the final car was made.

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Chersfrozenface · 02/02/2025 10:59

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 02/02/2025 10:58

These U.K. and the US aren’t the only two available countries.

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Indeed not.

Posted from my phone made in China.

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 02/02/2025 10:58

Phineyj · 02/02/2025 10:46

Good luck buying a UK made phone, computer or car.

These U.K. and the US aren’t the only two available countries.

Peony15 · 02/02/2025 10:57

Trumps tariff plans could send me down a rabbit hole of reseach, facts , figures etc. Can't think of any country that suddenly becomes self sufficient, insular with wealthy citizens and envy of the world. That is his goal, right ?
Interesting article btw
https://www.ibisworld.com/united-states/industry-trends/biggest-exporting-industries/

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https://www.ibisworld.com/united-states/industry-trends/biggest-exporting-industries

Phineyj · 02/02/2025 10:57

We also have a services trade deficit with the US (meaning we buy more of their services than they buy from us). I don't know what proportion of that is consumer based stuff and what is business based stuff like financial services. So we are a net customer on both the goods and services front.

I just checked the figures on some handy American AI.

Never a great idea to piss off your customers.

meditrina · 02/02/2025 10:56

Phineyj · 02/02/2025 10:46

Good luck buying a UK made phone, computer or car.

You don't have to do everything to do something.

Of course, you might not want to do anything at all.

Will your individual action be any more than a raindrop in the ocean? Nope, no-one says that it could ever be so. But do you want to be part of a drizzle that puts a dampener on things?

Upstartled · 02/02/2025 10:56

Deljay · 02/02/2025 10:47

Right, but that's the point. Everything is everywhere. Until you get to the point of materials that can be transported over a border, the rest is a sort of multinational soup of IP.

How would you import the internet? Or the concept of KFC?

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Right?

Is anyone giving up Visa, American express, MasterCard, PayPal and Stripe?

Overtheatlantic · 02/02/2025 10:54

I will be very happy if Mark Carney becomes the next Canadian PM. He’s a globally respected Economist and understands the big picture.

Turkeyneck101 · 02/02/2025 10:52

meditrina · 02/02/2025 10:46

And I wonder what will happen to foreign tourism to US over the next few years?

I won't be back till trump is gone, and if trump snuffs it mid term, vance too.

Annoyeddd · 02/02/2025 10:51

Phineyj · 02/02/2025 10:46

Good luck buying a UK made phone, computer or car.

I drive a UK made car, wear UK made clothes and have UK made household appliances.
Can't do a lot about the phones and computers - I just don't keep replacing when a new model comes out

Phineyj · 02/02/2025 10:50

Those things you mention @Deljay depend on a heap of intellectual property which can, and is, valued and appears on the financial account of the balance of payments of the USA. When financial bods mention "market capitalisation" of e.g. KFC or Google there are actual valuations involved.

Phineyj · 02/02/2025 10:47

We could, practically, boycott American media.

There is a ton of stuff on iplayer. More than anyone could ever watch or listen to.

Deljay · 02/02/2025 10:47

Phineyj · 02/02/2025 10:32

This thread is a bit hilarious (if not the tariff situation).

Here we are typing on phones made with American military technology. Produced in China yes but with all the intellectual property and profits flowing back to the US. Watching US TV. Working on US owned cloud software. Searching for things with Google's algorithm.

Of course we import things from the US. They're just invisible mostly.

The fossil fuels point is very valid of course and absolutely we could buy more Canadian stuff if we wanted.

Get those Goldfish and Chips Ahoy over here pronto, Canadian friends!

Right, but that's the point. Everything is everywhere. Until you get to the point of materials that can be transported over a border, the rest is a sort of multinational soup of IP.

How would you import the internet? Or the concept of KFC?

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