Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico

If he imposes tariffs on the EU they will just impose the same back. Obviously. I really don't think U.K will import that chlorinated chicken etc - people just don't eat it. There is a massive shift towards electric vehicles in U.K. - nobody wants or needs their diesel guzzling monstrosities. The roads in U.K. aren't built for them. America will find itself a pariah, cut off from its allies and China. The country is a laughing stock - watching Trump theatrically signing his directives with his Sharpie pen is like a bad comedy sketch. I feel sorry for non-MAGA in the US. The whole 'drill baby drill' agenda will leave them on the wrong side of progress while the rest of the globe get ahead of the curve with green initiatives. The man is beyond ridiculous and the pathetic sycophants around him are too embarrassing to watch. Gulf of America indeed. Good luck taking Greenland you muppet.

Why on earth would you want to? I am a little worried you're going to elect that far right guy, though.

Do you sense the same worrying tides of a drift rightward as the US/Europe?

Not in a million years are we (Canada) going to become a US state - why on earth would we? It’s not up to Trump to dictate to other countries - he can shout but we’re not listening!

I get your point.
What I meant was that I don't think that Canada would have the same voting rights...

Never mind 51, hopefully the Hawaiian people can gain their freedom and the white settler state will be down to 49.

Too late for the Native people as they have been largely eviscerated after the ethnic cleansing with the remainder forced into cages where they live today, but the Hawaiins are still there, and there is hope of achieving what that late great Hawaiin singer and independence activist Israel Kamakawiwoʻole (famous for his rendition of "over the rainbow") always wished for.

TempestTost · Today 10:39

The USA can and does sell food in the EU and Britain, as long as they don't have hormone and drug residues. The USA recently lifted their ban on haggis, although offal is still prohibited in it.

That's not the same as tariffs. For phytosanitary bans, many countries have them, I'm thinking of Australia and NZ, in particular.

I'm American but live in the UK, and I have to say, I hope these countries don't back down and give in to him - i.e. come to the table and give him what he can spin as having 'won bigly.' I hate to say this, but I think his voters need to actually experience some pain from their choice or they'll never wake up.

He campaigned and won on lies and social division, but the acceptable face of being a Trump voter was to say it was about the economy. Now let's all live in a Trump economy for a while and see how it goes.

Truthfully, I'm more worried about the systematic dismantling of government and checks and balances and institutions than tariffs.

And re chlorinated chicken - let's not forget it's a necessary hygiene measure for battery-raised chicken as the animal welfare standards are so low, un-chlorinated poultry in those conditions carry too high a risk of salmonella. Let that sink in as to what that means for the poor animals and for the quality of what Americans on a low budget have to eat.
And that is from someone who travels there a lot. I usually rent serviced apartments and make my own food if I can. Organic food is available but very pricy.

Maybe he has a different notion as to who friends and foes are... and that is an issue.

Yeah, I'm sceptical too. I don't think he means 51st state with the same status as Alaska or Hawaii. I think it's more a colony idea than anything else.

Trump is treating America's allies far worse than he is treating its enemies (25% tariffs on Canada but only 10% tariffs on China). Hopefully, this will lead to the UK building much stronger ties with the EU.

Thankfully, Canada and Mexico are fighting back.

Thanks for links, it makes more sense now.

Yes but you have to believe that he will stick to the terms of any new agreement, the fall out from this has been a renewed patriotism in Canada, is that what he wanted?

Tariffs sometimes make perfect sense. The US always protected its rice farmers iirc. This scattergun approach is just a crude attempt at a shakedown however. The BRICS and EU could try to placate Trump of course. Except they know he'll be back for more, so there's no point.

This is quite interesting though.

I don't necessarily find people very consistent.

Apparently it's ok for the EU to have a ton of trade barriers with the US - or with Canada for that matter. But people are objecting because the US is undertaking a similar kind of exclusive set of trade barriers within the US, which after all if larger than Europe, and at least theoretically could probably produce a lot of their own products?

Now, I understand that the logic of these tariffs specifically seems pretty random, and I'm not arguing they are a good idea.

But do we think that free trade is a moral imperative for nations? When is it ok for one nation to restrict imports from another? Why is it ok for the EU to do this about all kinds of things (and not just for health reasons), but beyond the pale for Americans? Why did Canada for many years restrict importation of milk from the US, despite NAFTA, to protect Canadian dairy farmers?

The markets aren't wobbly because they have some moral issue about protectionism, it's because the most money is made for the super-elite when there is free flow of money and goods worldwide, whatever that means for the people living in various countries. And restricting that means they might make less. That can impact the normal middle class people too through things like pension investments, on the other hand, do we really want to argue that it's ok to be pushing every economy toward the lowest common denominator in trade, just to keep the markets happy?

I think the Chinese investment angle is probably the real reason for the focus on Panama.

It's easy to see why america was a template for the Nazis.

For "Manifest destiny" (the expansion westward of white settlers into Natives lands) there was Lebensraum (the Nazi expansion eastward). Hitler in 1928 admiringly stated the US had

"gunned down the millions of Redskins to a few hundred thousand, and now keep the modest remnant under observation in a cage".

And in 1941:

"In the East a similar process will repeat itself for a second time as in the conquest of America", and Nazi troops "had a duty to look upon natives as Redskins".

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/01/hitler-on-the-mississippi-banks/283127/

Yep. It's why I've always stuck the boot into america and not Canada, Britain, Australia as well as non Anglo nations (France, Spain etc.) as they at least have shown remorse and respect to those whose lands they had invaded, america is the outlier who has never shown any.

Not only did they not show any remorse, as MLK stated they celebrated it. The statue below, the Disovery of america, stood outside the US Capitol building for over a century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheDiscoveryofAmerica(sculpture)

President James Buchannan described the statue as representing "the great discoverer when he first bounded with ecstasy upon the shore, ail his toils past, presenting a hemisphere to the astonished world, with the name America inscribed upon it. Whilst he is thus standing upon the shore, a female savage, with awe and wonder depicted in her countenance, is gazing upon him."

He is exactly a negotiating kind of guy, that's half his schitck.

He likes to start negotiations from a show of strength, where he demonstrates that he has a better, stronger position to negotiate from, in hopes that it scares people into giving concessions. The US is actually in a better position in this in many ways, We need their markets more than they need ours.

This may give you a clue.

European Union rules currently limit US exports of certain food products, including chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-boosted beef.
If free of EU trade rules, the US want the UK to remove such so-called "sanitary and physiosanitary" standards on imported goods.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47418505

Ah the irony….. @Devianinc claiming “we’re not all stoopid” 🤣🤣🤣

*Dressed.

He clearly is a different man now.

Yes, why are we (UK) out of line.

I know, I also listened to his news conference after the plane and helicopter crash

We have made a return to the days of waking up to hear about what latest crazy shit has been coming out of Trump's mouth. Sadly, that's how it's going to be for the next 4 years. 🤦🏻‍♀️