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Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico

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Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 09:23

Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.

He says it’s because of phen and illegal immigration - less than 1% come from Canada.

This will have significant implications for the Canadian economy, the American economy and by domino the world. Not to mention the fact it could start a significant trade war.

The US doesn’t subsidise Canada - they buy Canadian goods. Approx 40% of their crude oil comes from Canada for example.

There is also an agreed trade deal between the US/Canada and Mexico that Trump agreed to and signed in his first years in office.

YABU - it doesn’t matter to me
YANBU - let’s stand up to a bully and support our allies

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TopPocketFind · 03/02/2025 13:45

saltinesandcoffeecups · 03/02/2025 13:34

Well that’s lazy. But ok, have a great day.

How are tariffs going to stop illegal immigration? And how does that apply to the EU?

Goldenbear · 03/02/2025 13:44

saltinesandcoffeecups · 03/02/2025 13:34

Well that’s lazy. But ok, have a great day.

It's not 'lazy', it is common sense. I'm sure you feel the same about my posts. Besides, I'm British so I'm not speaking on behalf of Canadians who would be much more informed on what is happening with regards to your question.

ExtraOnions · 03/02/2025 13:44

Trump is a bully .. the only way to deal with bullies is to stand up to them. The world needs to work out a way round him, not appease him.
He wants an “America First” isolationist policy, find .. let him have it … and when his people are starving in the streets, let’s see how popular he is.

CanadaNotAMum · 03/02/2025 13:44

Treaclewell · 03/02/2025 09:18

I'm a bit puzzled as to why T is offering 51st state status to Canada. Surely Canada is bigger than any US state, even removing the effect of Mercator projection. I think it is physically bigger than the tiddly USA, even removing the effect of Mercator projection. Surely the Quebec people would have a robust opinion about it. But if it were done according to size or population, with several states, then T would easily be outvoted. Wouldn't he?

It’s not an offer, it’s a threat. This is him saying that he wants Canada’s resources and will take it by force if necessary.
And he doesn’t mean state like Hawaii, he means like a colony for resources where we wouldn’t have voting rights. Like Peurto Rico.

LifeExperience · 03/02/2025 13:41

TopPocketFind · 03/02/2025 08:59

Your president is threatening to invade Greenland and take the Panama Canal by force.

He never threatened to invade Greenland or Panama. He's hoping to convince Greenland to make a deal to become a territory.

And Panama already blinked, and will be ending their "Belt and Road' initiative with China, which is what Trump really wanted. Panama didn't have a leg to stand on. When we gave them the canal they promised to run it in perpetuity. They abrogated the treaty by allowing China to run it. Since Panama had abrogated the treaty, the US was well within international law to declare the treaty null and void and take back the canal by force. It only took one visit by our new Secretary of State to convince them of the error of their ways.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 03/02/2025 13:34

Goldenbear · 03/02/2025 13:29

In all honesty I'm not going to waste my time engaging or debating with a Trump deciple, it's literally a pointless exercise, there I no point in deluding yourself that I will learn anything from your posts and links.

Well that’s lazy. But ok, have a great day.

Goldenbear · 03/02/2025 13:31

Goldenbear · 03/02/2025 13:29

In all honesty I'm not going to waste my time engaging or debating with a Trump deciple, it's literally a pointless exercise, there I no point in deluding yourself that I will learn anything from your posts and links.

Disciple not 'deciple'.

LifeExperience · 03/02/2025 13:30

ChessorBuckaroo · 03/02/2025 11:32

Never mind 51, hopefully the Hawaiian people can gain their freedom and the white settler state will be down to 49.

Too late for the Native people as they have been largely eviscerated after the ethnic cleansing with the remainder forced into cages where they live today, but the Hawaiins are still there, and there is hope of achieving what that late great Hawaiin singer and independence activist Israel Kamakawiwoʻole (famous for his rendition of "over the rainbow") always wished for.

What century are you living in? My dh is native American (Sac and Fox) and has never lived in a "cage." He grew up in a 5 bedroom house in a nice suburb and has enjoyed all of the benefits of being an American, got a good education, a great job and together we raised two beautiful children "of color." Our son is a software engineer for a company whose name you would recognize and our daughter is a medical doctor. We are now comfortably retired. He has always enjoyed the same rights, freedoms, and responsibilities as every other American, and every other native American we know has a similar story.

BTW, according to the official exit poll, 65% of native Americans voted for Trump.

Goldenbear · 03/02/2025 13:29

saltinesandcoffeecups · 03/02/2025 13:03

Why because they’re unable or unwilling to stop illegal crossings into the US and that their own open door policy is causing an effect on the US?

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/illegal-crossings-northern-us-border-terror-suspects-arrested/

In all honesty I'm not going to waste my time engaging or debating with a Trump deciple, it's literally a pointless exercise, there I no point in deluding yourself that I will learn anything from your posts and links.

LifeExperience · 03/02/2025 13:14

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 09:23

Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.

He says it’s because of phen and illegal immigration - less than 1% come from Canada.

This will have significant implications for the Canadian economy, the American economy and by domino the world. Not to mention the fact it could start a significant trade war.

The US doesn’t subsidise Canada - they buy Canadian goods. Approx 40% of their crude oil comes from Canada for example.

There is also an agreed trade deal between the US/Canada and Mexico that Trump agreed to and signed in his first years in office.

YABU - it doesn’t matter to me
YANBU - let’s stand up to a bully and support our allies

OP, 40% of Canadian oil goes through the US because oil from Western Canada cannot be piped to Eastern Canada--that pipeline doesn't exist because Canadian environmentalists stopped it. Instead oil from W Canada goes to the US, is refined (because Canada doesn't have the ability to refine their "sour" crude) and then sent back to Eastern Canada to be consumed. If Canada stops the oil going to the US, Eastern Canada will suffer.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 03/02/2025 13:03

Goldenbear · 03/02/2025 12:54

How is it pompous, Canada does have the higher moral ground at present.

Why because they’re unable or unwilling to stop illegal crossings into the US and that their own open door policy is causing an effect on the US?

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/illegal-crossings-northern-us-border-terror-suspects-arrested/

Illegal crossings at northern U.S. border continue to skyrocket, hundreds of terror suspects arrested

Illegal crossings have continued to skyrocket with roughly 19,000 people arrested in fiscal year 2024.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/illegal-crossings-northern-us-border-terror-suspects-arrested

saltinesandcoffeecups · 03/02/2025 12:58

Thelittleweasel · 03/02/2025 12:45

The difficulty is that in general I do not buy things made in USA. The problem though is that the components for goods from many different countries will be from US without us being aware.

@Rainingalldayonmyhead

I was wondering when someone would make this point.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/exports/united-kingdom

Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico
vandel · 03/02/2025 12:57

What is the background to the 15% tariff discount applied to China? Good mates with Xi Jinping, or what? 😊

Goldenbear · 03/02/2025 12:54

saltinesandcoffeecups · 03/02/2025 12:40

How is this a troll comment? Trudeau lost all credibility when those pictures surfaced. Also the pompous moral high ground he likes to channel as he tries to shame the US in his little speech.

Are you uncomfortable supporting your racist PM?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-votes-2019-trudeau-blackface-brownface-cbc-explains-1.5290664

I’ve deleted the auto image of the CBC link due to it’s disturbing content

How is it pompous, Canada does have the higher moral ground at present.

Thelittleweasel · 03/02/2025 12:45

The difficulty is that in general I do not buy things made in USA. The problem though is that the components for goods from many different countries will be from US without us being aware.

@Rainingalldayonmyhead

saltinesandcoffeecups · 03/02/2025 12:40

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How is this a troll comment? Trudeau lost all credibility when those pictures surfaced. Also the pompous moral high ground he likes to channel as he tries to shame the US in his little speech.

Are you uncomfortable supporting your racist PM?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-votes-2019-trudeau-blackface-brownface-cbc-explains-1.5290664

I’ve deleted the auto image of the CBC link due to it’s disturbing content

HotCrossBunplease · 03/02/2025 12:38

I’ve read all your posts OP and I am confused- are you British or Canadian? You seem to be using “we” in the context of both.

ChessorBuckaroo · 03/02/2025 12:38

Devianinc · 03/02/2025 04:12

I’d rather live here than any other place in the world. America is an awesome place to live. You can live your dreams if you want to. You just have to work for it. America is a beautiful continent. The beaches and mountains are breathtaking. I’m sorry you people hate us but that’s how I read about how you feel about us. I’m definitely denying hen doos, never ever ever happened in the USA. Sorry. So ick

How did I miss this nugget?

Let's dissect this.

A white settler state who ethnically cleansed and murdered millions of Native people who owned the land, and forced those who survived this genocide into reservations (cages as Hitler admiringly called them).

And who would work this now emptied land? Enslaved Africans of course, millions of them, providing wealth for the elite planter class (slave owners like jefferson, washington et al.) to work their vast plantations of stolen, fertile land.

Meanwhile the rest of the land, the leftovers, went to the poor whites.

The white elites, the top 1%, have continued to cream in most of the wealth.

The rest of the white people, 95%, most live in cheaply made wooden homes (which often get blown over in tornadoes), many have no health insurance (and those who do have to fork out a huge whack of their income), and work longer hours (for their masters) than the rest of us in the world and with fewer holidays.

The elite love gullible folk like you. "Just work hard to achieve your dreams". What, a wooden home, long hours, multiple jobs, fewer holidays, and if you get sick you are screwed unless you are paid the extortionate health insurance premiums (see that head of one of the health insurance companies who was shot dead in New York a few weeks back, and the many who celebrated it, as to the feeling of anger in how the public are being taken advantage of by the elites).

Millions cannot afford health insurance and often have to beg for handouts (like that 1984 gold medal winning gymnast Mary Lou Retton (gold aided with the Oympic boycott of all the top eastern bloc Europeans who were the best), she had to use crowdfunding to pay for her medical expenses after having pneumonia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/12/health/mary-lou-retton-medical-bills-crowdfunding.html

An Olympic gold medallist, with the begging bowl, to pay for being able to live.

As George Carlin said, the american dream? You have to be asleep to believe it.

Black people in america meanwhile own 1.5% of national wealth despite being 14% of the population.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/06/19/why-racial-wealth-gap-persists-more-than-years-after-emancipation/

If you are a white elite in america, from the era of jefferson and washington onward, things are rosy, for the rest? Not much.

throwawayaway1 · 03/02/2025 12:37

It just seems like such a regressive policy, as ultimately it's non-progressive taxation on those who can least afford it. I don't know what percentage of fruit & veg in the US is from Mexico, but I'm guessing it's quite high.

Tomatotater · 03/02/2025 12:37

safi40 · 03/02/2025 12:23

I don't think the U.K. are that desperate they would import that chicken. It would be a massive vote loser. People are eating less meat anyway. Plus farmer are up in arms as it is. Nor would UK suddenly agree to import the cereals that have all the additives and high sugar content. Why start doing that now when they never did before? Nobody needs it.

Except we are that desperate. We were p desperate for a trade deal, any trade deal after Brexit and gave Australia a deal for their meat that even they couldn't believe. We do import their sugary crap cereal. We don't allow high fructose corn syrup which is deadly. RFK Jnr wants to stop Big Food in the US so they will start peddling their crappy food to the rest of us. We need to refuse to allow it, and stop pandering to Trump. Americans will have to suffer. They voted him in and they will have to face the consequences of what they voted for. The rest of the world didn't vote for him, so we need to stand up to him.

Goldenbear · 03/02/2025 12:35

HappyNewFeckingYear · 03/02/2025 12:16

Obviously. I really don't think U.K will import that chlorinated chicken etc / people just don't eat it.

People will eat it, your DC will eat it at school, hospitals, prisons, restaurants, fast food chains, they all want cheap chicken. If we import US chicken, it won't be labelled.

But RFK Jr. has the task of making Americans healthy again, removing nasties from the food chain, why would the UK want to make to have this chemical ridden chicken, a few years ago the majority UK supermarkets declared they weren't going to stock it. At my DC's school there would be utter hell over this, they raised a fuss over laddered tights not being allowed to be worn as many parents decided it was anti-feminist, let alone something like this!

Alaimo · 03/02/2025 12:34

TempestTost · 03/02/2025 10:39

This is quite interesting though.

I don't necessarily find people very consistent.

Apparently it's ok for the EU to have a ton of trade barriers with the US - or with Canada for that matter. But people are objecting because the US is undertaking a similar kind of exclusive set of trade barriers within the US, which after all if larger than Europe, and at least theoretically could probably produce a lot of their own products?

Now, I understand that the logic of these tariffs specifically seems pretty random, and I'm not arguing they are a good idea.

But do we think that free trade is a moral imperative for nations? When is it ok for one nation to restrict imports from another? Why is it ok for the EU to do this about all kinds of things (and not just for health reasons), but beyond the pale for Americans? Why did Canada for many years restrict importation of milk from the US, despite NAFTA, to protect Canadian dairy farmers?

The markets aren't wobbly because they have some moral issue about protectionism, it's because the most money is made for the super-elite when there is free flow of money and goods worldwide, whatever that means for the people living in various countries. And restricting that means they might make less. That can impact the normal middle class people too through things like pension investments, on the other hand, do we really want to argue that it's ok to be pushing every economy toward the lowest common denominator in trade, just to keep the markets happy?

I'm not against tariffs necessarily, but these ones are problematic for (at least) 2 reasons

Firstly, tariffs are usually targeted to specific industries, not to (almost) all goods like Trump has done now. Only last year the US, Canada, and EU imposed tariffs on Chinese electric cars to protect their own car industries as they felt the Chinese state was unfairly propping up its own car industry, enabling Chinese brands to sell cars at much lower prices. Putting a tariff on every good from a country is unusual though and is clearly not done with economics in mind.

Canada, the US and mexican have a trade agreement (CUSMA, which replaced NAFTA). Signing a trade agreement that specifies certain rules and then ripping that up to unilaterally impose tariffs pisses people off. Trump is not playing by the rules basically.

Chersfrozenface · 03/02/2025 12:29

There is a massive shift towards electric vehicles in U.K. - nobody wants or needs their diesel guzzling monstrosities.

There are 200,000 Teslas on the road in the UK. Most will have been made in the US, though the Brandenburg factory does manufacture Model Y vehicles.

Tesla is the best selling EV brand in the UK.

Elon Musk's company, of course.

safi40 · 03/02/2025 12:23

I don't think the U.K. are that desperate they would import that chicken. It would be a massive vote loser. People are eating less meat anyway. Plus farmer are up in arms as it is. Nor would UK suddenly agree to import the cereals that have all the additives and high sugar content. Why start doing that now when they never did before? Nobody needs it.

HappyNewFeckingYear · 03/02/2025 12:16

Obviously. I really don't think U.K will import that chlorinated chicken etc / people just don't eat it.

People will eat it, your DC will eat it at school, hospitals, prisons, restaurants, fast food chains, they all want cheap chicken. If we import US chicken, it won't be labelled.