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Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico

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Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 09:23

Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.

He says it’s because of phen and illegal immigration - less than 1% come from Canada.

This will have significant implications for the Canadian economy, the American economy and by domino the world. Not to mention the fact it could start a significant trade war.

The US doesn’t subsidise Canada - they buy Canadian goods. Approx 40% of their crude oil comes from Canada for example.

There is also an agreed trade deal between the US/Canada and Mexico that Trump agreed to and signed in his first years in office.

YABU - it doesn’t matter to me
YANBU - let’s stand up to a bully and support our allies

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angela1952 · 04/02/2025 08:53

Deljay · 02/02/2025 09:35

I think it's really hard to boycott goods these days. Everything is everywhere. What ARE American goods? I can think of really... 90s things?

I guess it's Coca Cola and Pepsi, Levis, Disney, Mars, MacDonalds, KFC, etc, Nike, Starbucks. But a lot of that is brands, right? It's not really things they make. What do they actually make just them?

What about things like Google, Microsoft, Apple? Isn't it all made in China?

I'm not really sure if Trump understands that what he is doing will adversely affect American manufacturers? I'm not sure either how much I buy that is made in the US. I have a Mac but I'm guessing that the parts for that will be imported into the US so will in future have tariffs imposed before they get there? I can't see US businesses putting up with that as so many components for their electrical products are imported. Presumably they'll simply start building their products in the countries where they are sold if that is cheaper.
I don't buy any of the American brands like those you list in your second para anyway.

Coolasfeck · 04/02/2025 08:46

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 04/02/2025 08:00

I listened to a book a few months back. Can't remember title or author unfortunately but it was very interesting.

Basically the premise was the the US is the only nation that can be truly self sufficient in the modern world as they have all the metals and minerals required for manufacturers without going to other countries. There were lots of other points too.

Basically we will have to go back to horses and ploughs and seasonally produced goods. And forget big pharma
And your meds

We do need the US

Citation needed.

Tomatotater · 04/02/2025 08:31

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 04/02/2025 08:00

I listened to a book a few months back. Can't remember title or author unfortunately but it was very interesting.

Basically the premise was the the US is the only nation that can be truly self sufficient in the modern world as they have all the metals and minerals required for manufacturers without going to other countries. There were lots of other points too.

Basically we will have to go back to horses and ploughs and seasonally produced goods. And forget big pharma
And your meds

We do need the US

I don't think the US is self-sufficient. Maybe in theory, but if they have all the minerals etc they need, what's Greenland about? Why are they in trade deficits with so many countries? They also overproduce a lot of things like meat and corn through intensive farming so need to palm it off on other countries, which is why any trade deal with them will involve relaxing hormone and antibiotics rules for food. They may be self sufficient in theory but they either haven't changed practices to adapt to changing circumstances- less, better quality food for example- ( outside of California, by far the richest State) and they have basically, Democrats and Republicans, decimated whole swathes of the country- health wise and jobs and industry wise and all at the altar of big food and pharma and tech billionnaires. A bit like us, they haven't invested enough in health or education to get enough people fit and able enough to be mining minerals, manufacturing products and growing food without mass immigration, which they don't want.

Turkeyneck101 · 04/02/2025 08:12

Trump negotiated 10k patrols to the border. The original agreement was 15k....so he negotiated fewer patrols . Sheinbaum mugged him off very publicly. He has backed off because he tanked the economy and Ontario were going to cancel Musks Starlink 100 million dollar contract. Trump is negotiating with Ukraine to get lithium for Musks batteries (rare earth metal) . Trump is lining his own pockets ( meme coins ) and will provide tax breaks and grants for Musks projects. Trump and Musk are currently raiding USAID which funds so many projects that help everyday Americans . So they aren't raiding the Billionaires they're giving them tax breaks, they're raiding everyday Americans. Disgusting.

If you think it's got anything to do with fentanyl you're not listening and watching what is actually happening.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 04/02/2025 08:00

I listened to a book a few months back. Can't remember title or author unfortunately but it was very interesting.

Basically the premise was the the US is the only nation that can be truly self sufficient in the modern world as they have all the metals and minerals required for manufacturers without going to other countries. There were lots of other points too.

Basically we will have to go back to horses and ploughs and seasonally produced goods. And forget big pharma
And your meds

We do need the US

LillyPJ · 04/02/2025 07:57

Jacquette · 04/02/2025 01:16

“BTW, according to the official exit poll, 65% of native Americans voted for Trump.”

Apparently not, it was a flawed exit poll. The last lot of numbers I could find re who voted for whom show that 57% of Native Americans voted Democrat - for Harris.
^^

  • Native American voters leaned Democratic in the 2024 elections, with 57% supporting Harris compared to 39% for Trump, while prioritizing tribal sovereignty, land rights, and cultural preservation as key voting issues.

Source: Brookings.edu

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Thanks - always good to have evidence and sources.

Tomatotater · 04/02/2025 07:57

Trumps base didn't win it for him though. People who hated him less than Harris and people who couldn't be bothered to vote or couldn't bear to vote for either won it for him. Trumps base is a bunch of crackpots and conspiracy theorists. It wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to build his own following, and have a legacy that wasn't 'Vice Predident to to the worst President in US history' but ' man who saved America'. He knows what happened to Pence. He's not naive. I may be wrong of course and he could be just as mad as Trump.

Bookloveruk · 04/02/2025 07:49

Parker231 · 02/02/2025 09:32

What about if/when Trump applies tariffs to the UK?

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He did that during his last presidential term. He applied 20% tariff on imports for certain goods. His logic was the US customers should buy from domestic suppliers. our customer was a global manufacturer, American headquarters and distributed from usa to north and South America. They bought their source product from uk (they had part share in uk business) as there was no USA manufacturer of source product. He didn’t listen to that and I had to charge them every week for the tariff as we couldn’t pay the sums. It was over £1m per month Luckily they were large enough to absorb whilst they challenged in court. Eventually they got all tariff refunded as did many of other customers. We called it trump tariff in our records.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 04/02/2025 07:46

Doubtful... he'll want the base for his own run or other aspirations. @Tomatotater

Tomatotater · 04/02/2025 07:41

Vance seems to be very quiet. I wonder if his plan all along was to double cross ' Americas Hitler' and allow Trump snd Musk to cause so much noise and outrage and act so bizarrely that he can, in a year or two raise concerns and have him impeached?

Coolasfeck · 04/02/2025 07:33

catmum44 · 04/02/2025 06:54

Mexico strengthened their border and took their criminals back so it worked and tariffs have been removed. Canada need to do the same and address cross border drugs trafficking. Then it will stop.

Trump backed down. Both deals had been agreed previously. There is nothing new here but his base will think he’s won. He’s still lost the trust of his allies who’ll be looking at more stable partners.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 04/02/2025 07:32

OneLemonDog · 04/02/2025 07:14

Fentanyl entering the US from Canada makes up 0.2% of the fentanyl entering the country (and it's Americans that are doing the smuggling). If you think these tariffs have anything to do with fentanyl, you've been duped.

If either country has reason to feel anger at the other for illegal items crossing the border, then it's Canada. The vast majority of firearms used in crimes in Canada can be traced back to thr US.

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21,000 firearms to Canada from the US and 200,000 to Mexico.

US border authorities seized 21,889 pounds of fentanyl in the 2024 fiscal year. Of that amount, 43 pounds were seized at the Canadian border — about 0.2% — compared with 21,148 pounds at the Mexican border, about 96.6%.

OneLemonDog · 04/02/2025 07:14

catmum44 · 04/02/2025 06:54

Mexico strengthened their border and took their criminals back so it worked and tariffs have been removed. Canada need to do the same and address cross border drugs trafficking. Then it will stop.

Fentanyl entering the US from Canada makes up 0.2% of the fentanyl entering the country (and it's Americans that are doing the smuggling). If you think these tariffs have anything to do with fentanyl, you've been duped.

If either country has reason to feel anger at the other for illegal items crossing the border, then it's Canada. The vast majority of firearms used in crimes in Canada can be traced back to thr US.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 04/02/2025 07:05

I wonder what the US plans on doing to stop the flow of firearms north? 🤔

catmum44 · 04/02/2025 06:54

Mexico strengthened their border and took their criminals back so it worked and tariffs have been removed. Canada need to do the same and address cross border drugs trafficking. Then it will stop.

Jacquette · 04/02/2025 04:54

You have to hand it to Trump he has managed to get his base to support America being mugged off and grifted. 😃

Arguably the most successful con man of our time.

RingoJuice · 04/02/2025 04:15

Tomatotater · 03/02/2025 09:02

The US also gets free access to the Panama Canal, so the US already has pretty favourable terms with other countries. Panama would be within thrir rights to renege on that deal and start charging them.

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We engineered and built the thing. Honestly we should never have given it away since we had made the agreement in support of Panamanian independence from Colombia.

Carter truly was the worst

Turkeyneck101 · 04/02/2025 04:01

It gets funnier, the Canada agreement was already agreed in December and funnier still Mexicos agreement with trump is LESS than the prior agreement...so 15000 troops down to 10000 troops to the border! Sheinbaum is just waiting to see how long it takes before they realise. 🤣 Of course the media aren't reporting it. 🙄

Mumtobabyhavoc · 04/02/2025 03:55

Turkeyneck101 · 04/02/2025 03:48

Just watched a report that Trump has asked for 'rare earth deal' with Ukraine in exchange for American support. This will provide lithium to the 'US' ....or more likely for Musks batteries.
Its actually ridiculous how easily Musk has grifted America to pay for his Mars and Tesla projects. Wonder if the backing down from Canada tarriffs has anything to do with Ontario threatening to pull the plug on the Starlink contract. 🤔

You have to hand it to Trump he has managed to get his base to support America being mugged off and grifted. 😃

BC's David Eby announced Starlink is no longer being considered.

Turkeyneck101 · 04/02/2025 03:48

Just watched a report that Trump has asked for 'rare earth deal' with Ukraine in exchange for American support. This will provide lithium to the 'US' ....or more likely for Musks batteries.
Its actually ridiculous how easily Musk has grifted America to pay for his Mars and Tesla projects. Wonder if the backing down from Canada tarriffs has anything to do with Ontario threatening to pull the plug on the Starlink contract. 🤔

You have to hand it to Trump he has managed to get his base to support America being mugged off and grifted. 😃

Khayker · 04/02/2025 02:47

IhadaStripeyDeckchair · 02/02/2025 09:31

I loathe Trump & all he stands for.
I wonder whether this will lead to his downfall - if he imposes tariffs on goods going into the USA surely that will be passed on to the consumers who will have to pay more for everything?
And if Canada & Mexico & Europe all combine together & act as one (imposing tarrifs against the USA or whatever) that's a lot of opposition & markets closing down

I just hope that UK politicians realise that the "special relationship" doesn't, & never has, exist in any way that is meaningful or useful & allies the UK with the EU
I'd like Starmer to do a speech along the lines of Hugh Grants in Love Actually to the sleazy US president

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Do that and you will have a trade war and I'm hoping that Starmer keeps his mouth shut around Trump. Like him or not we do need to be in Trumps good books if we want any trade deals with the USA. Could always wait until Nigel gets in I suppose if Starmer blows our chances.

Jacquette · 04/02/2025 02:33

Leilanii · 04/02/2025 01:53

I can't imagine Trump being 'ordered' by anyone and this is why I wonder how long his bromance with Musk is really likely to last. The man has a pathology which renders him incapable of being subordinate to anyone.

I think we’ll see a break up. Both Musk and Trump like to be top dog.

But it is not just Musk, it’s all of the Project 2025 people on his team. Vance et al. Even Trump’s Press Secretary is Project 25.

I’m wondering if they’ve worked out how to manage Trump.

Leilanii · 04/02/2025 01:53

I can't imagine Trump being 'ordered' by anyone and this is why I wonder how long his bromance with Musk is really likely to last. The man has a pathology which renders him incapable of being subordinate to anyone.

BruFord · 04/02/2025 01:28

OneLemonDog · 04/02/2025 00:33

Basically everything that has been "agreed" by Canada was already announced back in December.

Can't help but notice that Trump caved within hours of Ontario cancelling one of Musk's contracts. Maybe Musk was unhappy and ordered Trump to stand down...

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@OneLemonDog Thanks, I saw a headline as I was heading out, need to read up on it.

Jacquette · 04/02/2025 01:16

LifeExperience · 03/02/2025 13:30

What century are you living in? My dh is native American (Sac and Fox) and has never lived in a "cage." He grew up in a 5 bedroom house in a nice suburb and has enjoyed all of the benefits of being an American, got a good education, a great job and together we raised two beautiful children "of color." Our son is a software engineer for a company whose name you would recognize and our daughter is a medical doctor. We are now comfortably retired. He has always enjoyed the same rights, freedoms, and responsibilities as every other American, and every other native American we know has a similar story.

BTW, according to the official exit poll, 65% of native Americans voted for Trump.

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“BTW, according to the official exit poll, 65% of native Americans voted for Trump.”

Apparently not, it was a flawed exit poll. The last lot of numbers I could find re who voted for whom show that 57% of Native Americans voted Democrat - for Harris.
^^

  • Native American voters leaned Democratic in the 2024 elections, with 57% supporting Harris compared to 39% for Trump, while prioritizing tribal sovereignty, land rights, and cultural preservation as key voting issues.

Source: Brookings.edu