New Dubai and - deeply uncomfortable

I’m not talking about oppressive to you. But hey as long as you’re alright Jack?

There are some issues with exploitation, these have improved over the years, in part thanks to pressue from expats actually living there.
There are also many people from desperately poor countries living and working there who have the opportunity to earn and save for a future that they would otherwise not have had in their home countries.

I’m not talking about oppressive to you. But hey as long as you’re alright Jack?

Oh because we so safe here aren't we. The police here are so wonderful.. we are so lucky.. not to mention the fire crews who got in trouble for taking pics of dead women and mocking their underwear and the police who rape and kill women and the women who can't even walk through a park without geting killed. you're right... they the ones who live in the back hole of hell not us. 🙄

As you said before " feels safer" but the reality if you get on the other side of someone is very bad.

Yes, so oppressive to be able to walk around safely late at night at the weekend with no fear of violence.

You say civilised others would say oppressed.

If you think a misogynistic and homophobic regime is “more civilised” than many places in Europe, I’d question your judgement.

It feels a lot safer on the streets than many European cities, and is very clean. Antisocial behaviour isn't tolerated the way it is here. So yes it can feel more civilised in that regard.

Many years ago surely

Grim place. Would never go back. Just a load of hotels thrown up in the desert on the sea. I don’t see the attraction at all. I hated it.

If you think a misogynistic and homophobic regime is “more civilised” than many places in Europe, I’d question your judgement. You’re right that I’ve never been and I’ve already said I wouldn’t go if you paid me. I do know that it’s a completely artificial playground for the rich and privileged with zero culture of note. Don’t think I’m missing much, but you crack on.

If you do go swimming in white underpants ( men) which subsequently become see through on the public beaches then you will be picked up by the police.

I personally didn't even notice the rings but it is the liberal, free vibe on the beach that is really confusing, it's mixed messages for people who want to go, it just would be helpful to be clear.

You do know that wearing of rings is a Western custom, and to date is largely not something practised by Muslims outside of Western countries.

Indians don't do all the work. The different nationalities tend to work in different sectors. Tbh the well off Indian community is one of the most racist towards their own and others. Yes Emiratis are top dog.

Agree. It’s beyond me why anyone would want to go there. Only the vacuous.

How strange I’m seeing this as I commented on it myself! At the end she’s in a very short black sparkly dress dancing. I said to my partner ‘would she really be ok wearing that in dubai?’ My partner said yes it’s not that strict.

I would never visit this place in a million years. Its reaction to my beliefs and practices reflects Europe 400 years ago. I have no idea why people go somewhere like that.

wildhunt.org/2024/03/dubai-witchcraft-arrests-and-confiscations.html

That's a good point, we just started to walk quite quickly to get past so didn’t look properly. We were just a white British couple, female male, in our 20s. Ex would hardly have wanted to get into a scrap with 5 men in a different country so we both went quiet.

I'm sorry you had that experience - not a nice experience when you're visiting somewhere.

I know people might be surprised to hear it but the police actually would take that kind of thing very seriously and the perpetrators would get into serious trouble.

That's a good point, we just started to walk quite quickly to get past so didn’t look properly. We were just a white British couple, female male, in our 20s. Ex would hardly have wanted to get into a scrap with 5 men in a different country so we both went quiet.

That's not hypocrisy though as people do acknowledge that there is a problem with county lines etc. I don't think it is just you and your colleagues that are concerned by it!

The thread is about the advert and how it needs to be clear what the rules are.

Yes, read any thread where cannabis or class b drugs are mentioned with someone being concerned about their child or a partner and you'll have countless posters shrugging their shoulders

I didnt post originally about this subject in regards to governance.

I posted because of the hypocrisy of people citing their huge concerns about Dubai and its track record on slavery, while missing that we have a thriving modern slavery industry right here.

Yes there should be a strict form of governance about child exploitation and grooming and abuse, thats what the drug trade is about.

Do many people post MN about this, I haven't seen that.

I am unsure what you are arguing for tbh - a strict and unforgiving form of governance? I don't think the average Brit likes that level of control and interference over their lives.

Some people are bothered, me and people in my 'circles' are bothered because we work with it every day

The vast majority of the population, no, not bothered, read any thread on here of adults who use or whose children use, talk to any young person you like who uses. They'll tell you its awful and try to show some insight but then their behaviour contradicts this.

Someone who has clearly never been. Deciding you don’t want a holiday somewhere that has the laws and customs that Dubai does is fair enough, but it is far from a shit hole. It is much much cleaner, safer and more civilised than many places in Europe and the UK.

Calling it a dump just makes you look ignorant.

Agree 100%