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To ask Trump supporters how they defend this?

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snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 14:18

To be blunt, I don't understand how anyone can stand this guy. Nothing on earth would convince me to vote for him (I'm American), but he seems to have a surprising level of support on here. Over 60 people died, including a sickening number of children.

How is this ok?

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KimberleyClark · 31/01/2025 17:18

I’m surprised there hasn’t been mor3 of a fuss about this - Trump’s suggestion that Palestine should be cleared.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07kpjyzgllo

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 17:16

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 17:02

Yes, I understand what you're saying. And generally I'm over being shocked by anything he says or does, or paying much attention to the stream of garbage, but I'm stuck at home today with a dog that's just had surgery, so am spending an unusual amount of time messing around on social media.

But even now, after all these years and the millions of utterings, I was shocked by the callousness of him making a joke(?) about a situation in which people's children are still being pulled dead out of a river. I was curious as to how people who support him, but weren't necessarily in a position to vote for him (so taking the 'what he can do for me' piece out of the equation) would feel about that.

Adding: I'm not looking to fight. As I said earlier, I'm trying to really think about whether I could find a way to justify something similar coming out of the mouth of a politician that I strongly supported.

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I think the answer to your question is that any people who broadly support him in this country do so because they would like to see the actions he is taking, with regards to immigration, size of government, foreign aid etc replicated here.

Just because someone’s policy priorities are broadly aligned with him doesn’t mean that they’ll feel the need to defend his socially inappropriate, cognitively impaired ramblings.

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 17:12

This conversation also feels very 2016.

It reminds me of when the Access Hollywood tape came out and the anti-Trumpers were jubilant because they thought they’d won the election! How could anyone possibly vote for him after hearing him say such horrible, crass things? I believed it too - I thought Hillary’s victory was assured.

But we were all, evidently, proved wrong. His supporters just didn’t care and voted for him anyway. Plenty of people didn’t like the things he said, and certainly wouldn’t defend his words, but that didn’t stop them voting for him.

You seem to be assuming that just because someone is pro-Trump, they support every single thing he says and will be willing to defend it. That’s just not true. They don’t care about what he says, but about what he represents - a total repudiation of, as they see it, the biased liberal elite status quo.

Happyinarcon · 31/01/2025 17:08

I don’t really understand the outrage to be honest. I’m a trump supporter but I wouldn’t have got upset if Kamala had said this, or even brought it up in conversation with anyone.

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 17:02

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 16:52

I guess I’m struggling to understand why you’re reacting so strongly to him saying insensitive things after so many years.

He announced he was running for President in 2015. He kicked off that campaign by calling Mexicans rapists and claiming that John McCain was weak for having been captured and tortured during the Vietnam War. That was a decade ago. The shock value is gone.

Most of what he says makes no sense - his speeches are rambling streams of consciousness that are absolutely impossible to follow. He’s clearly cognitively impaired and very possibly in the early stages of dementia.

Most regular people - especially in this country - stopped paying close attention to the things he says years ago.

You’re clearly struggling with the direction that a country you are a citizen of, and where you presumably have family, is taking. But I don’t think hanging on to his every word and starting these threads looking for Trump supporters to fight with is helping you. You need better (and less online) coping strategies, or the next four years are going to be torture for you.

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Yes, I understand what you're saying. And generally I'm over being shocked by anything he says or does, or paying much attention to the stream of garbage, but I'm stuck at home today with a dog that's just had surgery, so am spending an unusual amount of time messing around on social media.

But even now, after all these years and the millions of utterings, I was shocked by the callousness of him making a joke(?) about a situation in which people's children are still being pulled dead out of a river. I was curious as to how people who support him, but weren't necessarily in a position to vote for him (so taking the 'what he can do for me' piece out of the equation) would feel about that.

Adding: I'm not looking to fight. As I said earlier, I'm trying to really think about whether I could find a way to justify something similar coming out of the mouth of a politician that I strongly supported.

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Jom222 · 31/01/2025 17:02

there is no defense for trump. I'm american (old timer union democrat, bleed blue) and when he ran the 1st time I was horrified viewing the presidential debates and my H laughed and said oh it won't go anywhere.

Then he won. All the ugliness normal people usually hid was on full display, hate and racism was trendy. Very early on I felt like we were watching the emperors new clothes, the broad acceptance NO-JOY when he said/did evil things was frankly terrifying. (This is completely ignoring the deep stupidity.)

The worst part isn't him. Its the people I know, work with, am friends with, the ones I love who adore him. They're gleeful at the suffering their hateful policies create. But when it affects them look out-they scream bloody murder. The hypocrisy is incredible.

I shut my fb account about halfway thru his 1st term, I was getting attacked by my own siblings. Easier to walk away from the hate. I curate my online life carefully now to avoid hate and propaganda.

I'm old enough to remember being taught in school 'consider the source' when reading anything. Who wrote this, why, is there a purpose to it etc. Now if its in a meme or on twitter it must be true, esp if it reinforces what I already think about a subject.

There is no defense for him. He represents hate. I shudder to think what will happen here in the next 4 years and further, the long term consequences. We actively hate schools, teachers are evil now, librarians are routinely attacked. We worship ultra wealthy who laugh and laugh at how stupid we all are. (well I don't but it seems most do)

Sorry to write a novel but I'd like to say a sizable number of americans despise him. I'd pray for him to die but his next in command is so much worse. I think I'll go have a cry now.

There is NO DEFENSE FOR TRUMP

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 16:52

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 15:45

But he did literally say that, do you think it's ok (and I get that you're not a supporter)? I just found the lack of empathy staggering, even after years and years of listening to him.

I guess I’m struggling to understand why you’re reacting so strongly to him saying insensitive things after so many years.

He announced he was running for President in 2015. He kicked off that campaign by calling Mexicans rapists and claiming that John McCain was weak for having been captured and tortured during the Vietnam War. That was a decade ago. The shock value is gone.

Most of what he says makes no sense - his speeches are rambling streams of consciousness that are absolutely impossible to follow. He’s clearly cognitively impaired and very possibly in the early stages of dementia.

Most regular people - especially in this country - stopped paying close attention to the things he says years ago.

You’re clearly struggling with the direction that a country you are a citizen of, and where you presumably have family, is taking. But I don’t think hanging on to his every word and starting these threads looking for Trump supporters to fight with is helping you. You need better (and less online) coping strategies, or the next four years are going to be torture for you.

AcquadiP · 31/01/2025 16:44

I have mixed opinions of Trump. On this occasion, his response was insensitive and crass. But on other occasions I appreciate his direct approach - whether I agree with his opinion or not - because British politicians are so full of bs.

DarkHorseBayley · 31/01/2025 16:41

My husband and I watched Trump live on TV. We sat open mouthed at the idiotic words tumbling out of that awful hole in his face.
I had to turn the Tv off. He’s started off quite well, rather respectfully, then he blamed diversity, disability, the previous administration.
It has upset me over the past 24 hours. Sheer lunacy.

100PercentFaithful · 31/01/2025 16:37

To be fair I would REALLY REALLY like him to visit the site and go swimming…

NotTerfNorCis · 31/01/2025 16:36

fanaticalfairy · 31/01/2025 14:33

He's just saying he won't go to the water site, but stay in land... What's the problem?

It was a horrible crass thing to say. Only someone who doesn't care what others think would say something like that.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 31/01/2025 16:36

LookingAtMyBhunas · 31/01/2025 16:27

My jaw actually dropped at that.

It reminds me of his response after the assassination attempt. Imagine how the guy who actually was shot and killed felt.

As far as I know he never once met them, acknowledged them, even mentioned him in his speeches, let alone, you know, small things for him like pay for his funeral etc. He just went on to every possible platform to say how he was 'chosen' and 'God spared me'.

Disgusting man.

https://www.wtae.com/article/corey-comperatore-trump-inauguration-parade/63486809

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4776605-helen-comperatore-donald-trump-call-rally-shooting/

CurlewKate · 31/01/2025 16:35

@Megapint "Honestly, I don't really have an opinion on it. I don't invest much time in American politics."

You may live to regret that.

DiddlyDiddly · 31/01/2025 16:34

I am American too. And I voted for Kamala along with 75 million other people. I cannot begin to fathom the mentality of the people who voted for Trump.

It seems that most of what he says comes from a desire to elevate himself and bait others.

I'm trying VERY HARD to ignore everything he says and does at the moment. It's just too heartbreaking otherwise. He is sending immigrants home, he is stopping federal loans, he is disrupting the lives of the "everyman" and it makes me want to puke.

that is all

Tomatotater · 31/01/2025 16:33

I think at this point, whatever he says is just ' noise'. I suspect the majority of people who voted for him ( not the MAGA weirdos) just think he's just rambling on, and other people are having to cover for him and do actual work in the background.

LookingAtMyBhunas · 31/01/2025 16:27

My jaw actually dropped at that.

It reminds me of his response after the assassination attempt. Imagine how the guy who actually was shot and killed felt.

As far as I know he never once met them, acknowledged them, even mentioned him in his speeches, let alone, you know, small things for him like pay for his funeral etc. He just went on to every possible platform to say how he was 'chosen' and 'God spared me'.

Disgusting man.

Coffeeishot · 31/01/2025 16:21

crumblingschools · 31/01/2025 16:17

Can you imagine what he would say to any of the bereaved families if he did actually visit the site

He would wear his MAGA. Hat without irony and tell them he was very sorry those bad bad people that joe biden employed killed their families. Maybe it's best he doesn't go anywhere near a grieving person

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 16:19

crumblingschools · 31/01/2025 16:17

Can you imagine what he would say to any of the bereaved families if he did actually visit the site

Perhaps they could sharpie a comforting message on his hand and he could read it?

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crumblingschools · 31/01/2025 16:17

Can you imagine what he would say to any of the bereaved families if he did actually visit the site

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 16:16

ShredHead · 31/01/2025 16:15

Paganpentacle · Today 15:14

He's a dangerous lunatic surrounded by dangerous lunatics and ' Yes' men.
This is not going to end well... unless he gets assassinated.

How is this passing everyone by? OP?

I have reported it.

What happened to free speech?

Tagyoureit · 31/01/2025 16:15

Trump is an embarrassment to human evolution!!

ShredHead · 31/01/2025 16:15

Paganpentacle · Today 15:14

He's a dangerous lunatic surrounded by dangerous lunatics and ' Yes' men.
This is not going to end well... unless he gets assassinated.

How is this passing everyone by? OP?

I have reported it.

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 16:14

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 16:13

It's in the question.

Don't feed 'em 😉

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 16:13

saltinesandcoffeecups · 31/01/2025 16:12

I’m good… If I wasn’t interested in engaging I wouldn’t have done so. Was there a particular response you were looking for?

It's in the question.

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saltinesandcoffeecups · 31/01/2025 16:12

I’m good… If I wasn’t interested in engaging I wouldn’t have done so. Was there a particular response you were looking for?