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snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 14:18

To be blunt, I don't understand how anyone can stand this guy. Nothing on earth would convince me to vote for him (I'm American), but he seems to have a surprising level of support on here. Over 60 people died, including a sickening number of children.

How is this ok?

“I have a plan to visit, not the site. Because you tell me, what’s the site? The water? You want me to go swimming?” Donald Trump responded during a White House press briefing on Thursday. The latest tragic mishap marks the deadliest US air disaster in two decades.

All 67 passengers feared dead in Washington DC plane crash, 28 bodies recovered from river — 10 things to know | Today News

Washington DC Plane Crash: Multiple bodies have been recovered from the Potomac River following a collision between a passenger jet and a military helicopter. At least 28 bodies were found, with 60 passengers onboard the jet, including figure skaters r...

https://www.livemint.com/news/us-news/washington-dc-plane-crash-30-bodies-recovered-from-river-russian-skating-couple-among-victims-10-things-to-know-11738231200746.html

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Notonthestairs · 31/01/2025 19:56

Notonthestairs · 31/01/2025 19:54

It's in the Wall Street Journal, Evening Standard, The Independent etc etc

ElatedShark · 31/01/2025 19:55

He also hasn't offered any condolences at all.

His first speech about the whole thing was to blame diversity, curious how he will blame people of colour/minorities now it's been shown all pilots and air controllers are white American men.

Notonthestairs · 31/01/2025 19:54

Where did you get the swimming comment news from?

news.sky.com/video/trump-on-washington-plane-crash-site-visit-you-want-me-to-go-swimming-13300170

ByCyanMoose · 31/01/2025 19:52

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 14:18

To be blunt, I don't understand how anyone can stand this guy. Nothing on earth would convince me to vote for him (I'm American), but he seems to have a surprising level of support on here. Over 60 people died, including a sickening number of children.

How is this ok?

“I have a plan to visit, not the site. Because you tell me, what’s the site? The water? You want me to go swimming?” Donald Trump responded during a White House press briefing on Thursday. The latest tragic mishap marks the deadliest US air disaster in two decades.

I think the real problem is that he immediately blamed a plane crash on the FAA hiring too many minorities.

MushMonster · 31/01/2025 19:51

I am not a Trump supporter, neither I do want to defend him, but my DH has his speech about this tragic crash on, I can hear it all and Trump has not made any jokes, not mentioned any swimming, but actually his speech was about the poor people that lost their life, that they would investigate and avoid a repetition, then that things are better when he is President and something about people being recruited with several types of disabilities as air controllers, which he disagrees with. That is the polemic bit, I would say....
Where did you get the swimming comment news from?
The media has become an untrustworthy pile of shit, to be honest. One cannot longer trust one's shadow...

FrippEnos · 31/01/2025 18:36

Purplebunnie · 31/01/2025 15:38

I think he's a very dangerous man. How he has conned a lot of people into voting for him is terrifying. I just don't know how the next 4 years are going to go. Ultimately what he does has an affect on a lot of people who don't live in America. I have sympathy for those who didn't vote for him and those who are going to suffer under his regime

Edited for spelling, it's not going well today

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I'm not a trump supporter, but he didn't "con" anyone into anything.
The other party pretty much gifted him the presidency.

DiddlyDiddly · 31/01/2025 18:29

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 18:26

Not to mention, for someone who claims not to be ignorant of world affairs, after three years of war there you still dont know that it’s just Ukraine, not ‘the Ukraine’?

The latter is offensive to Ukrainians, by the way.

I make no claims at all. You'd be better off spending your time examining your own motives for correcting my grammar.

DiddlyDiddly · 31/01/2025 18:28

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 18:25

Of course American politics has worldwide ramifications, but there’s nothing I can do to change any of it, so why dwell?

During the presidential election last year, I made a conscious decision not to follow the ins and outs as I had done in 2016 and 2020, and I was much happier for it.

yes me too. I was replying to someone else though, not you.

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 18:26

DiddlyDiddly · 31/01/2025 18:21

I agree. It's not "American politics" it is global, with an impact on the UK economy, society and politics as well. Not to mention the Ukraine, Palestine etc

How can you be so ignorant as to think these things do not relate to and affect each other.

Not to mention, for someone who claims not to be ignorant of world affairs, after three years of war there you still dont know that it’s just Ukraine, not ‘the Ukraine’?

The latter is offensive to Ukrainians, by the way.

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 18:25

DiddlyDiddly · 31/01/2025 18:21

I agree. It's not "American politics" it is global, with an impact on the UK economy, society and politics as well. Not to mention the Ukraine, Palestine etc

How can you be so ignorant as to think these things do not relate to and affect each other.

Of course American politics has worldwide ramifications, but there’s nothing I can do to change any of it, so why dwell?

During the presidential election last year, I made a conscious decision not to follow the ins and outs as I had done in 2016 and 2020, and I was much happier for it.

DiddlyDiddly · 31/01/2025 18:21

CurlewKate · 31/01/2025 16:35

@Megapint "Honestly, I don't really have an opinion on it. I don't invest much time in American politics."

You may live to regret that.

I agree. It's not "American politics" it is global, with an impact on the UK economy, society and politics as well. Not to mention the Ukraine, Palestine etc

How can you be so ignorant as to think these things do not relate to and affect each other.

ColourBlueColourPurple · 31/01/2025 17:56

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 16:09

It was a press conference. He was asked a question. Does that constitute 'hounding'?

I don't know, I've not seen the conference so i don't know if he was asked the question once and that was his answer or if it was the same repeated question over and over when he said no, he wouldn't go to the site of the water, as some kind of point scoring from some journalist. You'll know though, you're the one who saw it.

tobee · 31/01/2025 17:56

Deetelves · 31/01/2025 15:47

He’s a self absorbed, narcissistic arse.
Nothing he says would surprise me anymore - was it a ‘joke’? If so a really shitty time to be making a joke.
You’re the president for fucks sake. It’s not even that far from the White House, go and show some respect, you orange face fuck-wit.
Or perhaps he’s off to play golf this weekend and can’t be bothered. Or maybe he has some more crackpot executive orders firing 1000s of people for no apparent reason to sign?

This about sums it up for me. Although I feel you're being too generous

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 17:49

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 17:35

Yes, I don't disagree, which is why I was asking how someone could justify it, but definitely not stuck in the 2016 way of thinking. I, frankly, doubt even Supreme Court rulings will stop him or diminish his support at this point. I

It's genuinely that thinking about how it would feel to have your loved one in that river and have him make a joke about it brought a level of revulsion I thought I was past when it comes to him, as it seems a step beyond.

Ok, we're having people over for dinner tonight, so off to walk the hobbling dog and get things ready.

Thanks all for the responses on here (other than the ones who bothered to stop by and scold me for asking the question!)

But it isn’t their loved one in that river, and until it is, they won’t care.

itsgettingweird · 31/01/2025 17:47

fanaticalfairy · 31/01/2025 14:33

He's just saying he won't go to the water site, but stay in land... What's the problem?

The problem is it's pretty obvious when visiting the "site" he didn't mean deep sea diving in an icy lake.

He needs to learn that sometimes silence is golden.

StandFirm · 31/01/2025 17:41

maudelovesharold · 31/01/2025 17:37

It's about the literal words that came out of his mouth. Do you think they're appropriate for the situation?
No, they’re not. He doesn’t know the meaning of the word ‘statesmanlike’ and comports himself with all the dignity, tact and sensitivity of the crass specimen he is. I have a (probably vain) hope that one day he will go too far and the scales will finally fall from the eyes of his supporters and apologists.

I think it's very similar to a cult - so no, unfortunately, I don't think anything he says or does will change his fans' perception.

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 17:38

KimberleyClark · 31/01/2025 17:18

I’m surprised there hasn’t been mor3 of a fuss about this - Trump’s suggestion that Palestine should be cleared.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07kpjyzgllo

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See, in my opinion, that was absolutely disgusting, but completely what I'd expect from him, so it was foul but completely unsurprising.

This one actually managed to take me by surprise.

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maudelovesharold · 31/01/2025 17:37

It's about the literal words that came out of his mouth. Do you think they're appropriate for the situation?
No, they’re not. He doesn’t know the meaning of the word ‘statesmanlike’ and comports himself with all the dignity, tact and sensitivity of the crass specimen he is. I have a (probably vain) hope that one day he will go too far and the scales will finally fall from the eyes of his supporters and apologists.

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 17:36

Happyinarcon · 31/01/2025 17:08

I don’t really understand the outrage to be honest. I’m a trump supporter but I wouldn’t have got upset if Kamala had said this, or even brought it up in conversation with anyone.

Thank you for answering.

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snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 17:35

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 17:24

I’m struggling to find the right words for this but I think your mistake is superimposing your own way of thinking onto people who are very different from you.

You’re assuming that his strong supporters feel the need to justify the things that he says, because, that’s what you would do in the same situation - and if you couldn’t find a way to justify it, you’d drop your support of that person.

But these people don’t believe they need to be able to justify everything he says to be able to continue supporting him.

There’s no silver bullet here - you seem to be stuck in the 2016 way of thinking that eventually he’ll say something so vile that nobody will be able to support him anymore. But that’s unfortunately not the world we live in.

His supporters like the fact that he pisses off the politically correct liberal elites that they hate - even if they would never actually be so crass themselves. They believe (rightly or wrongly, probably the latter) that his policy programme will benefit them and they’re not going to give that up over a few insults.

Yes, I don't disagree, which is why I was asking how someone could justify it, but definitely not stuck in the 2016 way of thinking. I, frankly, doubt even Supreme Court rulings will stop him or diminish his support at this point. I

It's genuinely that thinking about how it would feel to have your loved one in that river and have him make a joke about it brought a level of revulsion I thought I was past when it comes to him, as it seems a step beyond.

Ok, we're having people over for dinner tonight, so off to walk the hobbling dog and get things ready.

Thanks all for the responses on here (other than the ones who bothered to stop by and scold me for asking the question!)

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Gilead · 31/01/2025 17:35

Happyinarcon · 31/01/2025 17:08

I don’t really understand the outrage to be honest. I’m a trump supporter but I wouldn’t have got upset if Kamala had said this, or even brought it up in conversation with anyone.

How embarrassing for your children.

Mamebea · 31/01/2025 17:34

Locutus2000 · 31/01/2025 16:01

For better or worse, there has never been a President like Trump.

People said that about other tyrants

vandel · 31/01/2025 17:31

He is a caricature of himself. Barely one week in and he's raising hell.

If this pace keeps up the eye rolling of many will end up in the top of their skulls. He will overdo it so often that it will appear normal, and thus dismissed as either the talk of a messiah, or the ramblings of a nutcase.

It certainly reminds me of the fat boy in N K. Stuffing his face while the population kneels in adoration and starves. The Emperor's clothes will fall off soon enough in Trump's case though, but as to who will care? That is the question.

I don't think many care really. The big test is money in people's pockets. If that happens Trump can do the splits naked and insult everyone on the planet and will still be praised or at best ignored.

LolaPeony · 31/01/2025 17:24

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 17:02

Yes, I understand what you're saying. And generally I'm over being shocked by anything he says or does, or paying much attention to the stream of garbage, but I'm stuck at home today with a dog that's just had surgery, so am spending an unusual amount of time messing around on social media.

But even now, after all these years and the millions of utterings, I was shocked by the callousness of him making a joke(?) about a situation in which people's children are still being pulled dead out of a river. I was curious as to how people who support him, but weren't necessarily in a position to vote for him (so taking the 'what he can do for me' piece out of the equation) would feel about that.

Adding: I'm not looking to fight. As I said earlier, I'm trying to really think about whether I could find a way to justify something similar coming out of the mouth of a politician that I strongly supported.

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I’m struggling to find the right words for this but I think your mistake is superimposing your own way of thinking onto people who are very different from you.

You’re assuming that his strong supporters feel the need to justify the things that he says, because, that’s what you would do in the same situation - and if you couldn’t find a way to justify it, you’d drop your support of that person.

But these people don’t believe they need to be able to justify everything he says to be able to continue supporting him.

There’s no silver bullet here - you seem to be stuck in the 2016 way of thinking that eventually he’ll say something so vile that nobody will be able to support him anymore. But that’s unfortunately not the world we live in.

His supporters like the fact that he pisses off the politically correct liberal elites that they hate - even if they would never actually be so crass themselves. They believe (rightly or wrongly, probably the latter) that his policy programme will benefit them and they’re not going to give that up over a few insults.

Serpentstooth · 31/01/2025 17:23

Oh, he's vile, but you'd expect nothing better. Air Traffic Control recruiting the 'mentally impaired'? Pots and kettles spring to mind. And sadly, you're stuck with him for the next 4 years. And beyond if he can swing it.