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snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 14:18

To be blunt, I don't understand how anyone can stand this guy. Nothing on earth would convince me to vote for him (I'm American), but he seems to have a surprising level of support on here. Over 60 people died, including a sickening number of children.

How is this ok?

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Cnon · 01/02/2025 05:05

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 14:45

It's a massively insensitive attempt at a joke...

A little sick humor.

KingOompaLoompa · 01/02/2025 05:02

Megapint · 31/01/2025 14:45

Given that mumsnet is made up of mostly Brits or people living in the uk. ( not all but the majority). So many posts lately asking people to justify voting for Trump. Why not ask in a majority US based site. You'd probably get more accurate answers from actual voters.

He does have a lot of British admirers.
Like her....

To ask Trump supporters how they defend this?
R053 · 01/02/2025 05:01

meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:52

So you do agree with the other poster then that you think 77 million people are thick as pig shit because they disgree with you?

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I will put it another way. Explain to me why 77 million intelligent Americans think there is nothing odd about their elected president demanding to have other Western countries, considering that this is not how Western countries normally operate. Now can you answer the question?

HoppingPavlova · 01/02/2025 04:57

So it follows that I shouldn't, as a dual citizen, be interested in how people who are on here, who support him, see this?

You can do whatever you like but ….. why? Maybe 100% of Mumsnet will say he’s a dick and they can’t stand him. Maybe 100% of Mumsnet will say he’s the best thing since sliced bread. What does it matter either way? He was elected as President of the USA in a democratic society. Whatever Mumsnet thinks either way is not going to change the fact he’s in that position and it certainly won’t change anything he does. Or, are you planning, as a dual-citizen, to send him a letter informing him of the Mumsnet output so he can take it under consideration?

meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:52

R053 · 01/02/2025 04:51

I am not sure what’s going on if they are in favour of Trump demanding to have Greenland from Denmark, have Canada and the Panama Canal. It’s very different to how countries normally operate. Are you able to explain why they are all good with that?

So you do agree with the other poster then that you think 77 million people are thick as pig shit because they disgree with you?

R053 · 01/02/2025 04:51

meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:30

So are you then saying that all 77 million Americans who voted for Trump are thick as pig shit?

I am not sure what’s going on if they are in favour of Trump demanding to have Greenland from Denmark, have Canada and the Panama Canal. It’s very different to how countries normally operate. Are you able to explain why they are all good with that?

RingoJuice · 01/02/2025 04:50

Diomi · 01/02/2025 04:37

I imagine many republican voters hate it when he talks like this and would much rather have a more statesmanlike president.

Sure, but GOP has been such a do-nothing party, Trump’s accomplished more in one week than they’ve done in years.

I care more about substance than style. GOP cared more about appearances, but they did nothing of substance.

RingoJuice · 01/02/2025 04:47

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 14:18

To be blunt, I don't understand how anyone can stand this guy. Nothing on earth would convince me to vote for him (I'm American), but he seems to have a surprising level of support on here. Over 60 people died, including a sickening number of children.

How is this ok?

“I have a plan to visit, not the site. Because you tell me, what’s the site? The water? You want me to go swimming?” Donald Trump responded during a White House press briefing on Thursday. The latest tragic mishap marks the deadliest US air disaster in two decades.

I thought it was insensitive, yeah.

Do I regret my vote?

Absolutely NOT. Week one was the most hopeful I felt about my home country and he has exceeded my expectations. I now feel very optimistic that we can right the boat.

meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:44

MrsJHernandez · 01/02/2025 04:43

What would you call them?

Ordinary people who voted as they please based on a variety of factors.

So you do think 77 million Americans are as thick as pig shit? Has that been a helpful approach?

MrsJHernandez · 01/02/2025 04:43

meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:30

So are you then saying that all 77 million Americans who voted for Trump are thick as pig shit?

What would you call them?

Diomi · 01/02/2025 04:37

I imagine many republican voters hate it when he talks like this and would much rather have a more statesmanlike president.

Sooverwork · 01/02/2025 04:36

The comments he made at the initial “ press conference “ if you can call it that about the hiring of people with disabilities was disgraceful . Sadly it’s very much on brand for him. A nasty man and to think he’s been voted in office - twice.

hattie43 · 01/02/2025 04:34

Sarahconnor1 · 31/01/2025 14:51

These constant demands to justify trumps latest crazy, are as boring as they are pointless.

He is the US president, there is bugger all the vast majority of MN posters can do about that.

This .
British liberals have to keep on and on . It's not up to us who Americans vote in . We don't need a thread every time Trump speaks .

meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:30

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So are you then saying that all 77 million Americans who voted for Trump are thick as pig shit?

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meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:13

Phthia · 01/02/2025 04:10

Based on the fact that he has kept every election promise up to now, there's no reason at all to think he won't follow this one through.

But he didn't keep every election promise last time round. In any event, allowing state laws which directly put women's lives in danger is simply not acceptable.

Which election promises did he fail to meet specifically last time please?

It's great that he is keeping his election promises, as that is what politicians should do.

Whether you think the states having control over their own laws is acceptable or not is not the discussion.

Some said he is planning to ban abortion.

He isn't.

Great news, one less thing to worry about.

meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:11

Winamy192 · 01/02/2025 04:09

@meh2025 it shouldn't be illegal anywhere for any reason! What he says and what he does are two totally different things too. Women should have control over their own body. I don't understand how anyone can think it's acceptable to force a woman to carry a child then provide zero support

What I stated was that he is NOT trying to ban abortion and this is correct.

No idea why you are trying to create a strawman.

So, you can stop worrying now, he has no plans to ban abortion. If you feel strongly about it, you could lobby the individual states or discuss with women in those states how best to help them, since Trump won't be banning abortion.

Great news, one less thing to worry about.

Phthia · 01/02/2025 04:10

Based on the fact that he has kept every election promise up to now, there's no reason at all to think he won't follow this one through.

But he didn't keep every election promise last time round. In any event, allowing state laws which directly put women's lives in danger is simply not acceptable.

Winamy192 · 01/02/2025 04:09

@meh2025 it shouldn't be illegal anywhere for any reason! What he says and what he does are two totally different things too. Women should have control over their own body. I don't understand how anyone can think it's acceptable to force a woman to carry a child then provide zero support

meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:06

meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:02

He has stated clearly that he has no intention of meddling with abortion and state laws about abortion. He has stated that it is up to each state.

In America, currently 13 states only allow abortion if the mother's life is in danger or other extreme circumstances, and 37 allow abortion. 4 states allow it up to 6 weeks, all the other states allow it up to 15 weeks, 23 weeks, 26 weeks respectively with 9 states of the 37 having no limits on gestational time at all for abortion.

Here he is saying definitively that he will NOT sign an abortion ban.

It is reasonable to suggest he agrees with limits on gestational time, however he has made it clear that he will not interfere with the states decisions on this.

It is not true to say he is trying to ban abortion.

So yep, he has definitively stated several times very publicly with absolutely no possibility of prevarication that he will definitely NOT be banning abortion.

Based on the fact that he has kept every election promise up to now, there's no reason at all to think he won't follow this one through.

So at least that's one thing nobody has to worry about.

user1471492582 · 01/02/2025 04:05

As far as him saying that he won’t pass a nationwide abortion band he also said he had no idea about project 2025 and all of his policies are coming from that. He also hired many of the people involved with project 2025 to work in his new administration. You can’t believe a word the man says.

meh2025 · 01/02/2025 04:02

Winamy192 · 01/02/2025 03:32

Although this is awful - I'm more concerned about the abortion rights that he wants to take away (I know it's already happened but it's going to get worse) no exceptions etc I feel so so so sad for all women in the USA - it's like their rights are being stripped and the law is going backwards not forwards. And these laws and decisions are put in place by men!!!

He has stated clearly that he has no intention of meddling with abortion and state laws about abortion. He has stated that it is up to each state.

In America, currently 13 states only allow abortion if the mother's life is in danger or other extreme circumstances, and 37 allow abortion. 4 states allow it up to 6 weeks, all the other states allow it up to 15 weeks, 23 weeks, 26 weeks respectively with 9 states of the 37 having no limits on gestational time at all for abortion.

Here he is saying definitively that he will NOT sign an abortion ban.

It is reasonable to suggest he agrees with limits on gestational time, however he has made it clear that he will not interfere with the states decisions on this.

It is not true to say he is trying to ban abortion.

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Phthia · 01/02/2025 04:02

MsReacher2025 · 31/01/2025 20:18

Are you genuinely wondering how it wd feel to have a "loved one" involved?? Or are you using the tragedy to score more points about a politician you hate?

What he said was a response ... probably to a jibe or a heckle or a sneery "question" - and likely designed to put down an aggressive questioner rather than as a message to the victims' families. But I haven't clicked your link as I don't care.

Come off it. On what planet is it appropriate for a President to score cheap points over questioners by making crass jokes about people who have died tragically? Can you imagine any other President in living memory doing that?

Phthia · 01/02/2025 03:58

Firefly1987 · 01/02/2025 03:28

I'm sick to death of hearing about the bloke tbh. We barely get any of our own news it's America this Gaza that. Non-stop coverage of the election, then him going into the White House, such a yawnfest. Meanwhile the vast majority of Americans don't care enough about our country to even have a bloody clue who our prime minister is. Obviously the plane crash was terribly tragic and newsworthy but I don't really care what Trump has to say about it. He's always saying dumb shit, this isn't new. Why not try reddit which is very American centric? I come here to get away from talk about American politics, god, abortion....

So why click on a thread about American politics?

ColourBlueColourPurple · 01/02/2025 03:57

MsReacher2025 · 31/01/2025 20:18

Are you genuinely wondering how it wd feel to have a "loved one" involved?? Or are you using the tragedy to score more points about a politician you hate?

What he said was a response ... probably to a jibe or a heckle or a sneery "question" - and likely designed to put down an aggressive questioner rather than as a message to the victims' families. But I haven't clicked your link as I don't care.

That's what I think. I said as much upthread but you've put it better than I did.