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To be really glad I don't live in America right now

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AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 09:57

I really feel for ordinary Americans. It's bad enough on this side of the Channel, hearing daily about Trump's latest petty, spiteful, idiotic bullshit - that rant against the Bishop who asked him to have mercy on immigrants, the ridiculous and insulting attempt to blame 'diversity' for the plane crash - but living under it must be so much worse. And heaven help you if you're LGBT or a woman. Or an immigrant. Or not white. Or poor. Or anyone else Trump and his freakshow of a government despises. I moan about the UK all the time, like everyone else who lives here, because god knows it's far from perfect, but at least we don't have a government in charge who is trying to strip huge swathes of the population of their rights and citizenship.

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MeTooOverHere · 05/02/2025 22:39

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 12:16

I am saying you are wrong all over.

Your ancestor was still either male or female, they never changed half way. People with DSDs are always male or female.

Intersex does not exist, as in, there is nobody in between the sexes. you re always one or the other regardless of chromosomes or DSDs.

People with CAIS are always MALE. People with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) are biologically male (XY) but develop a female-appearing body because their cells do not respond to androgens (male hormones).

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Intersex does exist, yes even in mammals. It is better known in invertebrates but definitely is a recognised phenomenon in mammals.
Intersex is a general term for an organism that has sex characteristics that are between male and female.
Have a good read. "each of these horses had won considerable amounts of money during their careers as putative mares"
"The referring veterinarian identified intersex conditions in these horses on the basis of physical examination findings. The combination of ambiguous external
genitalia, the apparent absence of a female reproductive tract on transrectal palpation of the abdomen, and the apparent presence of palpable internal testis-like structures led to the preliminary diagnosis of male pseudo-hermaphroditism in both horses."
https://www.vet.upenn.edu/docs/default-source/research/equine-behavior-laboratory/javma-intersex-2011.pdf?sfvrsn=6a38e0ba_0

https://www.vet.upenn.edu/docs/default-source/research/equine-behavior-laboratory/javma-intersex-2011.pdf?sfvrsn=6a38e0ba_0

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 22:33

MeTooOverHere · 05/02/2025 22:22

there's plenty of land in the world.
Yes and it's all owned and occupied and those owners will object if you just lob 2 million strangers there.

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Most of it’s not occupied. The worlds population would fit on the Isle of Wight if we all
stood up.

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 22:32

MeTooOverHere · 05/02/2025 22:27

Intersex does not mean 'changed halfway'. And no-one said it does mean that.
It means they have conflicting attributes. He was born a 'she' based on genitals at birth. Should he have been forced to have surgery to 'go back to gender at birth'?

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Intersex people, properly called DSD, are always male or female. I can’t say it clearer.

MeTooOverHere · 05/02/2025 22:27

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 12:16

I am saying you are wrong all over.

Your ancestor was still either male or female, they never changed half way. People with DSDs are always male or female.

Intersex does not exist, as in, there is nobody in between the sexes. you re always one or the other regardless of chromosomes or DSDs.

People with CAIS are always MALE. People with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) are biologically male (XY) but develop a female-appearing body because their cells do not respond to androgens (male hormones).

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Intersex does not mean 'changed halfway'. And no-one said it does mean that.
It means they have conflicting attributes. He was born a 'she' based on genitals at birth. Should he have been forced to have surgery to 'go back to gender at birth'?

MeTooOverHere · 05/02/2025 22:22

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:34

there's plenty of land in the world. Again, I don;t think it's right. I think it's the least bad option.

The status quo is not viable for anyone

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there's plenty of land in the world.
Yes and it's all owned and occupied and those owners will object if you just lob 2 million strangers there.

PurpleAxe · 05/02/2025 20:01

AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 16:42

Israel will have to accept the two-state solution. Lots of Israelis do support it. It's just the right-wing government that, like Trump, is an oppressive imperialistic colonising force.

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It is a good question though. What is your proposal for making Israel accept the 2 state solution if they refuse.

International Law is toothless without force.

PurpleAxe · 05/02/2025 19:51

JHound · 05/02/2025 11:59

Also for all those people who claimed Trump was against the USA involving itself in foreign wars….

Oh I wouldn't worry. This won't be a foreign war.

So bets on who launches on who as the opening gambit for WW3? Nukes as an entree or do we think we will start old school?

Humdingerydoo · 05/02/2025 17:38

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 15:43

What is your alternative? Israel has not (and has probably never) accepted the two-state solution

So what’s the alternative here?

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There's no need to start spreading lies just to try and make your weird point 🤦🏻‍♀️

Israel has accepted a two state solution many times, including at the time of Israel's creation.

If you need to lie to make a point, it's really not a point worth making.

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AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 16:42

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 15:43

What is your alternative? Israel has not (and has probably never) accepted the two-state solution

So what’s the alternative here?

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Israel will have to accept the two-state solution. Lots of Israelis do support it. It's just the right-wing government that, like Trump, is an oppressive imperialistic colonising force.

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scorpiogirly · 05/02/2025 15:44

It's better than the UK.

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 15:43

AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 15:39

You keep trying to present the only solution being the one in which everyone decides to let Israel/the USA flatten Gaza and make 2 million people homeless and stateless. Why not just nuke 'em, eh? That's also a 'solution' that would certainly be effective in ending the Gaza problem, but like the one you're fangirling for, would also create a million more, worse problems.

American exceptionalism is alive and well on this forum.

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What is your alternative? Israel has not (and has probably never) accepted the two-state solution

So what’s the alternative here?

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 15:41

Donttellempike · 05/02/2025 15:31

Im not engaging with you. Your views disgust me

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Honestly, I don’t care what you think

The last time the UK had the power to change anything in the MENA, they totally messed it up.

I don’t think Trump would do much better if I’m being honest.

But moralizing the situation has got
you nowhere. Is the EU willing to fight Israel to free Palestine?

(they have nukes and probably will be less hesitant to use them than Putin)

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AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 15:39

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 15:29

The condemnation from the international community has been unanimous and unequivocal

And it was wonderful to see. Now how are you going to enforce that?

Israel is not going to care how you feel
about what they do. The only language they understand is force, which you cannot do.

You keep trying to present the only solution being the one in which everyone decides to let Israel/the USA flatten Gaza and make 2 million people homeless and stateless. Why not just nuke 'em, eh? That's also a 'solution' that would certainly be effective in ending the Gaza problem, but like the one you're fangirling for, would also create a million more, worse problems.

American exceptionalism is alive and well on this forum.

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Donttellempike · 05/02/2025 15:31

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 15:30

Again, condemnation is great. But how are you going to stop them, realistically?

I am not goading you. I’m just observing reality here. It won’t bend to your sense of morality

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Im not engaging with you. Your views disgust me

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 15:30

Donttellempike · 05/02/2025 15:28

This in spades.

The unbelievable smug nonchalance of these fools.

Basically. “ it’s foreign far away people, so they can be moved wherever. Who cares…..”

The arrogance and ignorance of these people beggars belief. No wonder they support the orange arsehole in chief . Cheering him on to terrorism and war. Utter twats

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Again, condemnation is great. But how are you going to stop them, realistically?

I am not goading you. I’m just observing reality here. It won’t bend to your sense of morality

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 15:29

The condemnation from the international community has been unanimous and unequivocal

And it was wonderful to see. Now how are you going to enforce that?

Israel is not going to care how you feel
about what they do. The only language they understand is force, which you cannot do.

Donttellempike · 05/02/2025 15:28

AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 15:16

Are you nuts? The condemnation from the international community has been unanimous and unequivocal. None of those countries want to be 'administering Gaza' or support anything other than a two-state solution. I don't know how you have the gall to suggest those countries should be taking in millions of refugees so that Trump can build a golf course and some 5 star hotels on the Gaza strip.

The only thing Trump has achieved is wrecking the ceasefire and risking the lives of the hostages.

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This in spades.

The unbelievable smug nonchalance of these fools.

Basically. “ it’s foreign far away people, so they can be moved wherever. Who cares…..”

The arrogance and ignorance of these people beggars belief. No wonder they support the orange arsehole in chief . Cheering him on to terrorism and war. Utter twats

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AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 15:16

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 15:12

UAE and Saudi (and Qatar for that matter) already host a lot of displaced Palestinians.

But who knows. The usual diplomatic table has been flipped. Could be an opportunity to actually get something accomplished

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Are you nuts? The condemnation from the international community has been unanimous and unequivocal. None of those countries want to be 'administering Gaza' or support anything other than a two-state solution. I don't know how you have the gall to suggest those countries should be taking in millions of refugees so that Trump can build a golf course and some 5 star hotels on the Gaza strip.

The only thing Trump has achieved is wrecking the ceasefire and risking the lives of the hostages.

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RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 15:12

AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 14:29

How is that going to work? Why would Saudi or the UAE want to 'administer Gaza' and why do you think they'd happily relocate 2 million fellow Muslims to - well, god knows where, you haven't said?

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UAE and Saudi (and Qatar for that matter) already host a lot of displaced Palestinians.

But who knows. The usual diplomatic table has been flipped. Could be an opportunity to actually get something accomplished

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AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 14:29

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 14:25

Israel has shown themselves for what they are. But moral condemnation from Europe/MENA won’t change them, they just dont care.

I don’t want America to administer Gaza to be clear. It would be better if Saudi or UAE could do it.

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How is that going to work? Why would Saudi or the UAE want to 'administer Gaza' and why do you think they'd happily relocate 2 million fellow Muslims to - well, god knows where, you haven't said?

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RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 14:25

SallyWD · 05/02/2025 14:19

I'm not sure it's accurate to say Palestine has few supporters. In terms of powerful governments, perhaps but in terms of people around the world, many are supportive of Palestine. It's not about taking sides, it's recognising injustice and being appalled by the actions taken against innocent Palestinians.
Other countries such as Spain and Ireland have chosen to recognise and support Palestine. The UK and US Governments have most definitely chosen to support Israel.

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Israel has shown themselves for what they are. But moral condemnation from Europe/MENA won’t change them, they just dont care.

I don’t want America to administer Gaza to be clear. It would be better if Saudi or UAE could do it.

SallyWD · 05/02/2025 14:19

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 14:13

The truth is the Palestinians lost the war, they are the weaker party and they have few supporters.

It is not like Ireland and the UK which had normal relations for quite some years before the GFA

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I'm not sure it's accurate to say Palestine has few supporters. In terms of powerful governments, perhaps but in terms of people around the world, many are supportive of Palestine. It's not about taking sides, it's recognising injustice and being appalled by the actions taken against innocent Palestinians.
Other countries such as Spain and Ireland have chosen to recognise and support Palestine. The UK and US Governments have most definitely chosen to support Israel.

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AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 14:16

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 14:13

The truth is the Palestinians lost the war, they are the weaker party and they have few supporters.

It is not like Ireland and the UK which had normal relations for quite some years before the GFA

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No we didn't. There were IRA attacks in England until a few months before the GFA. Despite that a peace settlement was successfully negotiated.

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RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 14:13

JHound · 05/02/2025 13:56

What does that have to do with being opposed to ethnic cleansing?

How do you expect to get the Palestinians to agree to being ethnically cleansed from their land? Why is one unrealistic and the other acceptable?

If Israel chooses not to come to the table after a terror attack that’s on then. The UK had IRA bombs in their streets and still sat at the table with Ireland.

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The truth is the Palestinians lost the war, they are the weaker party and they have few supporters.

It is not like Ireland and the UK which had normal relations for quite some years before the GFA

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AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 14:12

RingoJuice · 05/02/2025 14:10

If you paid attention to the border crisis (and no reason for you to do so, if you’re not American) then you’d know that asylum claims were the reason we had a huge number of illegal immigrants cross the border. Removing that option is a key strategy.

And producing an EO is an efficient way to rid ourselves of birthright citizenship.

Personally I think preventing men from
officially designating themselves as female is important. You may not care, fine. But that’s why I’m pleased with that EO

DEI departments/Dept of Education/USAID are all a massive waste of taxpayer money, need no further justification tbh

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So hang on, you think Palestinians should be evicted from their land by the USA BUT you don't believe in foreign aid so don't think the USA is liable for any reparations to them for that?

What you'd expect of a Trump fanboy/girl I suppose.

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