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To be really glad I don't live in America right now

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AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 09:57

I really feel for ordinary Americans. It's bad enough on this side of the Channel, hearing daily about Trump's latest petty, spiteful, idiotic bullshit - that rant against the Bishop who asked him to have mercy on immigrants, the ridiculous and insulting attempt to blame 'diversity' for the plane crash - but living under it must be so much worse. And heaven help you if you're LGBT or a woman. Or an immigrant. Or not white. Or poor. Or anyone else Trump and his freakshow of a government despises. I moan about the UK all the time, like everyone else who lives here, because god knows it's far from perfect, but at least we don't have a government in charge who is trying to strip huge swathes of the population of their rights and citizenship.

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AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:29

Kingoftheroad · 31/01/2025 10:23

I agree with you. The point I’m trying to make is that we have to take control of this now before it spreads. The only way it can be done is making things better for people and give them some hope

Totally agree. I hope Starmer steps up. Not massively impressed so far.

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LeafofLorien · 31/01/2025 10:28

Hoardasurass · 31/01/2025 10:21

You do realise that Trump has just given women their rights back by defining women in law as a biological reality. He's saved women's sports by banning men including those who id as transwomen, same with prisons where 15% of women prisoners are male and he's banned state funded child medical transition including irreversible surgery. Please can you tell me how he's removed our bodily autonomy?

Did you miss the bit where state by state abortions are being outlawed having a huge impact on women's reproductive healthcare rights? Women have literally died due to complications of unviable pregnancies where doctors were legally unable to intervene. This is not what anyone should want for women.

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:28

Hoardasurass · 31/01/2025 10:21

You do realise that Trump has just given women their rights back by defining women in law as a biological reality. He's saved women's sports by banning men including those who id as transwomen, same with prisons where 15% of women prisoners are male and he's banned state funded child medical transition including irreversible surgery. Please can you tell me how he's removed our bodily autonomy?

Honestly, there's no point in me responding to posts like this, but I'll give it a go. Trump is a serial sexual abuser of women - he despises them. He is not on women's side. He hasn't given you back rights - his government plans to strip women of their bodily autonomy, make it harder for them to work (by getting rid of the diversity programmes that directly benefit women), and push them back into traditional gender roles. He doesn't care about women in prisons or on sports teams, he just doesn't like trans people for the same reason he doesn't like gay people or immigrants - because they are 'other' and a threat to the hard-right white-male-led view of society. His team are already working to define life as beginning at conception and roll this out federally. Trump's administration wants women pregnant, barefoot and in the kitchen. If you can't see this, I can't help you.

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FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 10:25

Hoardasurass · 31/01/2025 10:21

You do realise that Trump has just given women their rights back by defining women in law as a biological reality. He's saved women's sports by banning men including those who id as transwomen, same with prisons where 15% of women prisoners are male and he's banned state funded child medical transition including irreversible surgery. Please can you tell me how he's removed our bodily autonomy?

If you think your bodily autonomy comes from the fact people are trans then you don't understand what the term means

He is anti-abortion. He thinks that (men) have the right to tell a woman she must carry a baby full term. Must subject her body to all the stress and strain that entails. Must subject herself to the mental pain that can sometimes be the reason an abortion is required - rape, abusive partner.

That's far more damaging to women than trans people existing. And actually takes away their bodily autonomy

Kingoftheroad · 31/01/2025 10:23

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:15

It's not really rising in the UK. Reform have taken votes from the Conservatives and split the right wing vote. That's how Labour won (and I say that as a Labour voter). They didn't take votes from Labour though. Britain remains a broadly centrist country, with louder (because richer) voices on the hard right.

I agree with you. The point I’m trying to make is that we have to take control of this now before it spreads. The only way it can be done is making things better for people and give them some hope

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 10:22

Trump got less than 50 of the total "popular" votes. He gain key "swing" states by a fraction. He got in because the electoral college voted him in, which was always going to happen if those swing states veered towards him.

It's not a landslide victory.

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:21

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 10:18

This is quite an important point - in their anti-trans efforts, women have voted for a man who thinks he has a right to dictate what happens with their bodies.

Trump is an awful candidate for women but they could only see he said "2 genders. No change"

Maybe we need to look beyond trans ideologies and see how attitudes towards them can hurt women

Yep. It's a separate point but identity politics has ruined feminism IMHO by turning it into this one single issue. But it's opening a huge can of worms on MN - I haven't got time to spend the whole day debating it!

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Hoardasurass · 31/01/2025 10:21

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:14

Yeah, I'm centre left. It's hardly a thrilling revelation. I'm also GC but not up for throwing out women's rights to bodily autonomy by voting for the hard right who have clearly set out that that's what they'll be doing. Trump-supporting GC women have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

You do realise that Trump has just given women their rights back by defining women in law as a biological reality. He's saved women's sports by banning men including those who id as transwomen, same with prisons where 15% of women prisoners are male and he's banned state funded child medical transition including irreversible surgery. Please can you tell me how he's removed our bodily autonomy?

Deljay · 31/01/2025 10:19

I feel more sorry for us, who didn't even get a vote and yet now are going to be dragged into a war with these terrifying maniacs.

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 10:18

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:12

100% agree. I think it's deeply depressing how the hard right have managed to weaponise identity politics and get women voting for them against their own interests.

This is quite an important point - in their anti-trans efforts, women have voted for a man who thinks he has a right to dictate what happens with their bodies.

Trump is an awful candidate for women but they could only see he said "2 genders. No change"

Maybe we need to look beyond trans ideologies and see how attitudes towards them can hurt women

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:17

meh2025 · 31/01/2025 10:16

Wait, you have a lot of time to go off on a rant about another country's democratically elected president who is doing precisely what he said he would and then if someone disagrees with you, you rely on an logical fallacies rather than addressing anything they have said and accuse them of not being real?

Some hints and tips for the next time:

  1. Don't start any thread, ever, and expect people to agree with you.
  2. If you assume everyone who disagrees with you is a liar or a bot that means you are probably a liar and/or a bot. Projection is a very real thing.
  3. If you want to engage in discussion, read what people have said and react to that, not what you wish they had said, inferred they had said, believed they should have said - only what they actually said.

OK. Thanks for the advice.

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meh2025 · 31/01/2025 10:16

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:10

I expected the Reform/Trump lot to be all over this. They seem to have a lot of time to go onto forums and argue that Trump is great and everyone is going to vote Reform in the UK. Weirdly, when you look into it (not so much on here, where you can't but on FB and other forums) lots of them seem to be men from Eastern Europe, and not from the UK at all.

Wait, you have a lot of time to go off on a rant about another country's democratically elected president who is doing precisely what he said he would and then if someone disagrees with you, you rely on an logical fallacies rather than addressing anything they have said and accuse them of not being real?

Some hints and tips for the next time:

  1. Don't start any thread, ever, and expect people to agree with you.
  2. If you assume everyone who disagrees with you is a liar or a bot that means you are probably a liar and/or a bot. Projection is a very real thing.
  3. If you want to engage in discussion, read what people have said and react to that, not what you wish they had said, inferred they had said, believed they should have said - only what they actually said.
AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:15

PurpleAxe · 31/01/2025 10:12

The "older people" thing is interesting. I can remember people saying this when I started voting 30 years ago.

And yet, the right rises...

It's not really rising in the UK. Reform have taken votes from the Conservatives and split the right wing vote. That's how Labour won (and I say that as a Labour voter). They didn't take votes from Labour though. Britain remains a broadly centrist country, with louder (because richer) voices on the hard right.

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Kingoftheroad · 31/01/2025 10:15

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:08

They won't. Their voters are all older people, and there's simply not the numbers to make that happen.

Seem to be a fair few of them on MN though.

We can’t say for certain that they won’t thats the issue. If Starmer doesn’t step up now more and more people will become disillusioned and veer towards them

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:14

Hoardasurass · 31/01/2025 10:12

Nope former labour supporter now politically homeless the same as most gc women.
Nice to see where you stand politically though

Yeah, I'm centre left. It's hardly a thrilling revelation. I'm also GC but not up for throwing out women's rights to bodily autonomy by voting for the hard right who have clearly set out that that's what they'll be doing. Trump-supporting GC women have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

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PurpleAxe · 31/01/2025 10:12

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:08

They won't. Their voters are all older people, and there's simply not the numbers to make that happen.

Seem to be a fair few of them on MN though.

The "older people" thing is interesting. I can remember people saying this when I started voting 30 years ago.

And yet, the right rises...

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:12

Ablondiebutagoody · 31/01/2025 10:09

Oh don't get me wrong, he's batshit. The interesting thing is that voters thought that he was more normal than the Democrat offering. There's a lesson there on the dangers of focusing too much on identity politics that only affect a tiny minority of very left wing virtue signallers. Most people can see the problems with massive immigration and economies being ruined by net zero, politicians need to address that stuff or someone else will.

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100% agree. I think it's deeply depressing how the hard right have managed to weaponise identity politics and get women voting for them against their own interests.

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Hoardasurass · 31/01/2025 10:12

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:08

Reform supporter alert.

Nope former labour supporter now politically homeless the same as most gc women.
Nice to see where you stand politically though

SouthernFashionista · 31/01/2025 10:11

I’m not a fan but have family in the US and they’re all perfectly happy. I don’t think they need pity from anyone. As I said, I’m not a fan but he has millions of supporters 🤷🏿‍♀️

KimberleyClark · 31/01/2025 10:10

MaggieBsBoat · 31/01/2025 10:02

Ok I voted YABU, but honestly I think YANBU also. I agree and I am also glad I don’t. But at the same time this is democracy. It’s how it works and a clear majority have asked for this and you take the rough with the smooth. I say that as someone who lives somewhere where fascists will presumably have a loud voice in the government from next month. It sucks.
I am also glad I don’t live in England where public services are on their knees and the politics is also reactionary, but at the same time, barring anarchy or dictatorship this is what we get right now- everywhere and it’s been brought on by ourselves.

Trump himself didn’t accept the result when Biden defeated him and led assaults on the Capitol. Please don’t mistake him for a democrat.

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:10

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 10:09

"The majority voted for this"
The American election system is different. It doesn't work like ours does. It's not really "the people" who vote in the president.

It's terrifying to see what's happening. And the scarier part is how far he wants to go outside America. Threatening to take Greenland by force for example. It will gave effects far beyond America if he really does attempt some of the things he's said.

Labour are absolutely NOT anywhere near as bad.

I expected the Reform/Trump lot to be all over this. They seem to have a lot of time to go onto forums and argue that Trump is great and everyone is going to vote Reform in the UK. Weirdly, when you look into it (not so much on here, where you can't but on FB and other forums) lots of them seem to be men from Eastern Europe, and not from the UK at all.

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Dotjones · 31/01/2025 10:10

There are a lot of people who look at the UK and are glad they don't live here right now. We're not in any better a place.

You may not like Trump but there are plenty of people who think Starmer is no better.

If you're hard left you'll hate Trump, if you're hard right you'll hate Starmer. If you're in between you'll probably dislike both of them.

FWIW I think the diversity argument is worth investigating. Jobs like controlling aircraft should be done by the best people to do them. Diversity should mean that the best person gets the job regardless of their background, i.e. if the best candidate is a black lesbian that shouldn't matter, not that a substandard candidate gets the job simply because they are a black lesbian.

Ablondiebutagoody · 31/01/2025 10:09

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:06

I'm personally very glad we have checks and balances here and that one maniac can't start deciding stuff like 'life begins at conception', get all his people onto some grand judiciary that they remain on until they die, then get it made into law. Imagine if Starmer said he wanted to invade Ireland? Everyone would think he'd lost the plot and he'd be out of power in a jiffy. And that would be correct.

Oh don't get me wrong, he's batshit. The interesting thing is that voters thought that he was more normal than the Democrat offering. There's a lesson there on the dangers of focusing too much on identity politics that only affect a tiny minority of very left wing virtue signallers. Most people can see the problems with massive immigration and economies being ruined by net zero, politicians need to address that stuff or someone else will.

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 10:09

"The majority voted for this"
The American election system is different. It doesn't work like ours does. It's not really "the people" who vote in the president.

It's terrifying to see what's happening. And the scarier part is how far he wants to go outside America. Threatening to take Greenland by force for example. It will gave effects far beyond America if he really does attempt some of the things he's said.

Labour are absolutely NOT anywhere near as bad.

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:08

Kingoftheroad · 31/01/2025 10:07

This is what happens when governments fail to listen to the will of the people and act on issues that they feel strongly about.

Things go to far in the other direction and countries end up with hard line right wing governments.

The same thing is happening in the UK right now. If things don’t change for the better of the majority of the electorate Reform will be our next government

They won't. Their voters are all older people, and there's simply not the numbers to make that happen.

Seem to be a fair few of them on MN though.

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