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To be really glad I don't live in America right now

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AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 09:57

I really feel for ordinary Americans. It's bad enough on this side of the Channel, hearing daily about Trump's latest petty, spiteful, idiotic bullshit - that rant against the Bishop who asked him to have mercy on immigrants, the ridiculous and insulting attempt to blame 'diversity' for the plane crash - but living under it must be so much worse. And heaven help you if you're LGBT or a woman. Or an immigrant. Or not white. Or poor. Or anyone else Trump and his freakshow of a government despises. I moan about the UK all the time, like everyone else who lives here, because god knows it's far from perfect, but at least we don't have a government in charge who is trying to strip huge swathes of the population of their rights and citizenship.

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Fordian · 31/01/2025 15:45

@AnonymousBleep 'but identity politics has ruined feminism IMHO by turning it into this one single issue'

How can you be a feminist if you can't define what a woman actually is? It's a rather fundamental 'single issue' that you appear to think has 'ruined feminism'.

I'm a natural centre right voter. And, frankly, I'd've voted Labour apart from this glaring issue, the total abrogation of hard won female rights for the sake of a few fetishistic men. Instead, for the first time ever, I spoiled my ballot.

And, whether you like it or not, Labour's refusal to sort this nonsense out, its refusal to acknowledge our immigration is utterly unsustainable IS driving people to the Right.

Trump actually won the popular vote, remember, and, fashionable though it is, if not actually mandated, to say LQBTQ, his EO regarding sex not gender is aimed at the TQ infiltrate, not LGB.

If the election were run again tomorrow, I suspect Reform would do very well.

Hoardasurass · 31/01/2025 15:44

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 13:54

And where have I said that everyone who disagrees with me are bots and bad actors? I haven't. I said I was expecting them - as I have seen them on other forums - but show me where I've pointed the finger at anyone?

Why don't you start that thread? It wasn't my choice but there's nothing stopping you from doing it.

Edited

You made the assumption that anyone who disagrees with you on this is a reform supporter including accusing me of it just for pointing out some of the good things he's doing

lifeturnsonadime · 31/01/2025 15:43

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 15:27

I get the sense that the minority you are most concerned about are the ones who identify as women but who are in fact male?

You'd be wrong.

  1. Your language there is offensive
  2. Transpeople are both FtM and MtF but funnily enough it's only one which gets attention
  3. Transpeople was the issue brought up here. I'm very concerned for the rights and lives of women, disabled people, PoC, religions that aren't Christian and Gay/Lesbian/Bi under this man. They are all under threat of even worse suffering

Both women and transmen face the same sexism under trans ideology.

Trans is a sexist ideology. It tells women we must accept that male bodied people are more oppressed than we are. It tells us we can have no boundaries around male bodied people based simply on their declaration that they are women.

It tells gender non conforming women who, from statistics obtained in UK, tend to be gay or otherwise having faced trauma such as SA that their issues are solved by radical surgery and that they must really be male, whilst no one ever treats them as such. Sexism means that whilst they can be 'legally male' the rules of primogeniture mean that they won't inherit ahead of their later born male sibling . No one really believes they are male. That's why we've never seen a trans man win 'man of the year' or the oscars or anything else.

If you were concerned about women you would recognise that a bad person can do the right thing for the wrong reason and that women are better off with single sex spaces and sports.

I take your point on the other minorities (with the exception of the fact that I believe that transgenderism is by nature homophobic for reasons I stated in my last post), perhaps if the democrats had been interested in women rights, further than in how they benefit males, then the other minorities would not be exposed to this kind of risk.

Edited to add, what is it about my language that you find offensive? Is it telling the truth about the sex of trans women?

LastTrainsEast · 31/01/2025 15:42

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 15:29

Is this a joke?
Because we all saw the assaults on the Capitol...

And where were you when you saw Trump leading them into battle?

In another decade people will be 'remembering' that he was in a tank and fired on the capitol building as part of an attempted coup.

They will 'remember' Elon Musk leading 1000s of black uniformed Gestapo marching with their right arms up.

Because stories grow with the retelling.

LifeExperience · 31/01/2025 15:42

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 31/01/2025 14:33

No but it contributed definitely. I hear what you are saying about CNN but Fox News is rhe most popular and watched news channel in the US by some margin.

That is because the US is a center right country. Hard for a lot of MNers to grasp.

kattaduck · 31/01/2025 15:38

Iloveyoubut · 31/01/2025 15:33

I’m pretty sure Trump said something about his personal views on abortion were that it should be available to all up to 16 weeks unless there were extenuating circumstances. Not that I agree with this but that’s what he said.

Trump has had every possible view on abortion so who the fuck www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna146601

ItSnowsIntheSouth · 31/01/2025 15:38

I live in the US, but I'm not a citizen. It's not so bad. Believe it or not, a lot of citizens like Trump & the US media don't make him out to be the devil.

Alaimo · 31/01/2025 15:37

Iloveyoubut · 31/01/2025 15:33

I’m pretty sure Trump said something about his personal views on abortion were that it should be available to all up to 16 weeks unless there were extenuating circumstances. Not that I agree with this but that’s what he said.

He did say that. He's also had many different other views on abortion:

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trumps-many-abortion-positions-timeline-rcna146601

Iloveyoubut · 31/01/2025 15:34

sugarandfudge · 31/01/2025 15:30

He's not perfect, but he's 100x better than the alternative on the ballot. It's not worth the effort and time of pointing out all the inaccuracies on this thread, so I'll leave it at that.

Yeah… I don’t have the energy either I agree with you though.

Hoardasurass · 31/01/2025 15:33

Willyoujustbequiet · 31/01/2025 13:21

When he said "grab them by the pussy"

Plus being a sex offender would suggest he doesn't respect a woman's bodily autonomy surely?

Yanbu OP. He's batshit and has made America the laughing stock of the entire world.

That makes him a predatory male but doesn't show that he intends to outlaw abortion dose it

Iloveyoubut · 31/01/2025 15:33

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:06

I'm personally very glad we have checks and balances here and that one maniac can't start deciding stuff like 'life begins at conception', get all his people onto some grand judiciary that they remain on until they die, then get it made into law. Imagine if Starmer said he wanted to invade Ireland? Everyone would think he'd lost the plot and he'd be out of power in a jiffy. And that would be correct.

I’m pretty sure Trump said something about his personal views on abortion were that it should be available to all up to 16 weeks unless there were extenuating circumstances. Not that I agree with this but that’s what he said.

sugarandfudge · 31/01/2025 15:30

He's not perfect, but he's 100x better than the alternative on the ballot. It's not worth the effort and time of pointing out all the inaccuracies on this thread, so I'll leave it at that.

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 15:29

LastTrainsEast · 31/01/2025 15:18

I saw that.

No wait I fell asleep watching Rambo and dreamed it. I guess you did too.

Is this a joke?
Because we all saw the assaults on the Capitol...

LifeExperience · 31/01/2025 15:28

Dutch1e · 31/01/2025 11:50

Because the USA is a single country? It had decades to enshrine Roe Vs Wade.

And during that time the federal government was led by the Democrats more often than the Republicans. Yet the Democrats did nothing to pass a pro-abortion law. Nothing.

But abortions are somehow Trump's fault.

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 31/01/2025 15:27

I get the sense that the minority you are most concerned about are the ones who identify as women but who are in fact male?

You'd be wrong.

  1. Your language there is offensive
  2. Transpeople are both FtM and MtF but funnily enough it's only one which gets attention
  3. Transpeople was the issue brought up here. I'm very concerned for the rights and lives of women, disabled people, PoC, religions that aren't Christian and Gay/Lesbian/Bi under this man. They are all under threat of even worse suffering
hattie43 · 31/01/2025 15:24

Americans don't care about you or your thoughts OP. They voted Trump in . It doesn't affect you so be on your way .

LifeExperience · 31/01/2025 15:24

Whimsicalgrape · 31/01/2025 11:31

Sex is determined about 6-7 weeks after gestation. I know trump isn't a fan of science and all but at least get it right.

Sex differentiates at 7 weeks, but which sex the baby will differentiate to is determined at the moment of conception by whether the fertilizing sperm carries an X or a Y chromosome.

LastTrainsEast · 31/01/2025 15:24

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 10:12

100% agree. I think it's deeply depressing how the hard right have managed to weaponise identity politics and get women voting for them against their own interests.

Right.... What woman in her right mind would deny men the right to enter women's changing rooms?

Why on earth would any decent woman object to women's sport being taken over by men?

Obviously they must be far right to think women are allowed rights at all.

LoyalMember · 31/01/2025 15:22

luckylavender · 31/01/2025 15:20

I have family in the US who are devastated

What's devastated them?

luckylavender · 31/01/2025 15:22

What's GC?

luckylavender · 31/01/2025 15:21

@Hoardasurass - I'm a woman. Still with Starmer.

luckylavender · 31/01/2025 15:20

SouthernFashionista · 31/01/2025 10:11

I’m not a fan but have family in the US and they’re all perfectly happy. I don’t think they need pity from anyone. As I said, I’m not a fan but he has millions of supporters 🤷🏿‍♀️

I have family in the US who are devastated

LastTrainsEast · 31/01/2025 15:18

KimberleyClark · 31/01/2025 10:10

Trump himself didn’t accept the result when Biden defeated him and led assaults on the Capitol. Please don’t mistake him for a democrat.

I saw that.

No wait I fell asleep watching Rambo and dreamed it. I guess you did too.

LoyalMember · 31/01/2025 15:18

As reprehensible as Trump might be to others, he was voted in again by people who are heartily sick of what's going on in their country and are looking for change and results.

luckylavender · 31/01/2025 15:17

@AnonymousBleep - I fear Reform is starting to appeal to the young. Much like Trump.

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