To be really glad I don't live in America right now

Make that millions… it’s hundreds of thousands every month.

Which is why a lot of people outside the US have trouble grasping why illegal immigration is not just Americans being ‘big meanies picking on people of different nationalities’ and it’s a big fucking problem.

Ah so only some women matter, the ones with the right jobs?

The girls who had to lost out on lucrative college scholarships to go to university to males, don't matter?

Isn't it a shame the Democrats were hellbent on ensuring that women and girls lost those opportunties? Women could have had everything, even single sex spaces where they could have reasonable boundaries from male bodied people.

Neither party gives a shit about women. What a time to be alive.

My two closest friends are American. And live, now, back in America. Both have lived in the UK and follow UK news closely. Both are looking at how they can move back to the UK.

One works for a non profit providing training for disabled adults to get them into work. Thanks to Trump, this week, because disability is a DEI characteristic, she has had to close down her linkedin and 'work based' social media as she has been receiving death threats. She is likely to lose her job, as funding has been taken away from them. She is struggling to find a women's health centre who can fit her IUD as funding has been removed from anything even vaguely linked with abortion in her area. The other was hoping to have another baby in the next couple of years, but it likely the scant maternity relief they receive will be removed. She also needs to have IVF, but the centres near her have also, previously performed abortion, and so aren't accessible anymore. She also works for a federal agency, and so, as a woman, her job is at risk as she may have been a DEI hire (she works in a male dominated area, but has two Phd's to her name so was not hired due to being a woman! But she will be losing any work protection she currently has). It is also an area that Trump is against, shown by leaving the Paris accord.

But at least they won't have to race against trans women.

There is an awful lot of that going on on this thread.

What was that about the handmaid's tale? Posted unironically whilst bemoaning the restoration of women's sex based rights and boundaries!

The hypocrisy!

You're entitled to your opinion, obviously
😂 Thanks very much, that’s very gracious of you. I’ll try to express it wisely.

How am I refusing to engage with the opinions of others? I'm engaging with you right now. I didn’t see what the other poster said that was deleted. As it was against the talk guidelines I’m guessing it wasn’t a hearty endorsement of your opinion. But you just shut them straight down with a ‘Reform Supporter Alert’ rather than engage and debate what they were actually saying. And you acknowledged yourself that you didn’t think it was worth engaging with Farage. It’s a blinkered response

I don't agree with you - not on any point you've made so far, including how valuable it is to engage with Trump or Farage Well that might be because you’re not listening to what I’m saying. I don’t think it’s ‘valuable’ to engage with either of them. Neither have got the best interests of the general public at the heart of their policies and nothing of value is going to come from either of them. What I’m saying is that it’s dangerous not to engage with them. When you shut people down without listening to what they have to say, or without trying to understand the reasons for their opinions, because you think their opinions are bigoted or stupid or just plain wrong, then you leave them feeling like you don’t understand what they’re dealing with and that you don’t represent them. I think both the Tories and Labour and the Democrats are all guilty of doing this. And what has happened? A pair of self serving little toads have come along and filled that gap, spouted a lot of nonsense, promised that they care about everyone’s concerns and now one of them has been elected President and the other is quickly gaining traction in the UK. And all because of the arrogance of our politicians and their supporters that anyone who doesn’t agree with them isn’t worthy of consideration. Literally all they would have to do is debate Farage and pick his policies apart. Show him up for the windbag that he is. It would be a very easy thing to do because there’s no real substance there. But they won’t, because they are so convinced that he isn’t worthy it and that he’s just a bigoted old fool. And then when he takes seats from Labour in the next election, you’ll be shocked and wondering how it could possibly have happened.

The latter wouldn't have got the traction he has now if institutions like the BBC hadn't insisted on 'engaging' with him - in fact, disprortionately so, given his minor status as an ex MEP, particularly during Brexit. He was given a platform he hadn't in any way earned and exploited it 🤦🏻‍♀️ If you think Nigel Farage wasn’t going to create his own platform then you’re fundamentally misunderstanding the very nature of the man. And this goes back to the thrust of my argument. You cannot ignore people like him and Trump and not expect there to be any consequences. They are filling the space that the left and the right think is beneath them to acknowledge.

Geez you do like to exaggerate don't you?

The life of an individual very clearly does begin at conception. That's just a fact.

Yes that's an odd take in pp, life does start then. Legally there are different takes and views of course

I'm personally very glad we have checks and balances here and that one maniac can't start deciding stuff like 'life begins at conception'

The life of an individual very clearly does begin at conception. That's just a fact.

Different people have different views on at what stage we as a society should should value that life - just as different people have different views on the value of the life of non-human animals. And and often quite arbitrary different views on the lives of different species, such as valuing dogs and pigs differently. But just as the pig is 'a life' regardless of the value you place on that life, so a life beings at conception - regardless of the value one places on that life.

In hindsight it probably was.

You can’t have a decent conversation if you’re not on ‘the team’ nowadays. Dare you ask for facts or evidence…

Gender Critical feminists - also called sex realist feminists. That is, feminists who think women are entitled to women only (based on sex) spaces and services and sports, and that these represent women's basic human rights to dignity, safety and equity.

Well he did appoint the judges who were instrumental in overturning Roe vs. Wade.
So that dud happen.
Because it wasn't codified under Biden. Simple

Please name the protections that are for women that he's removed.
I ask because he's been busy reinstating them

they’re sick of the endless mockery or shunning of facts because it doesn’t fit a narrative

That's quite some projection.

I know quite a lot of centre right voters. They did not vote for Trump.

Well said. This is why many centrists are voting for figures like Trump and Farage as they’re sick of the endless mockery or shunning of facts because it doesn’t fit a narrative. Both sides as bad as each other when it comes to hysteria, mockery and ignorance.

Twitter is used by many and often quoted in news articles. To pretend it’s not a very popular opinion outlet and news site is madness.

I love your country. I’d move there if I could 😊

The US is always a very terrible, horrible, no good place to be according to most MNers. The vast majority here know nothing about it, but there a few experts who spent a week at Disney once.

I'm American, and the US that I read about on here shows no resemblance to the real US. But MNers don't want to hear that.

Indeed. Same as this "racist" "Far Right" country of ours 🇬🇧, why's everyone so keen to come to such an awful, unwelcoming place?

Another thing, were things really going so well under the Biden/Harris administration that they deserved another turn? It seems to have been an utter shit show, with a POTUS who didn't know what day of the week it was and a VPOTUS who could barely string a sentence together. Who was actually in charge?

From the reports the people who voted for him sound happy

Trump is the response of an electorate that felt the country had turned too far to the left.

Mitt Romney was a lackluster politician whom Obama ran rings around while campaigning. There was also a contingent of voters on both sides who didn't like the idea of a Mormon president.

Funny old question, but if the USA is so very terrible, why are hundreds of thousands risking their lives to get in every year?

If the US was a centre right country, Mitt Romney would be president.

It affects all of us

@LoyalMember - having a narcissistic buffoon as their President? I mean I could call him a lot worse.