To be really glad I don't live in America right now

Yes, absolutely millions.

Oliver Cromwell did kill a king and half the nobility in a civil war he fermented and then made himself Lord protector though

It's quite simple, if somewhat cynical.
The republican party are generally speaking anti abortion and as such whilst they wouldn't actively outlaw it (their not idiots and know that they'd never get back in power) they were never going to make it properly legal and would keep trying to roll it back bit by bit so they could keep the anti choice lot on side without alienating the pro choice lot, until there was a general consensus among a large majority of voters in 1 direction or the other (an event that is highly unlikely to ever occur) and would then go with whatever it was.
The Democrats on the other hand who are supposedly pro abortion rights needed the threat of the republicans outlawing it to use as a threat to keep women voting for them even when it was actually more harmful for women to do so. Basically even knowing that Roe V Wade was a terrible judgement that was always going to fail at appeal (bad law for a good and correct reason) the Democrats decided that it was better to risk women's lives, health and wellbeing so that they could have a carrot and a stick to threaten women with to coerce their votes, even when the writing was on the wall Biden and co did nothing. Admittedly he didn't have the numbers to force it through but he still could have tried but didn't (ask yourself why). Obama had the numbers and it was an election pledge but still choose to keep women at risk to keep the carrot and stick.
It's sad really neither party cared enough about women to enshrine our rights in law, instead choosing to use us as a political football and to he'll with the consequences to women.

Their democracy is shaky and easy to game? You mean like the Democrats do not want voter ID?

Your OP and subsequent posts are pretty insulting to the American people. He won all 7 swing states, popular vote, the Senate and the House. He’s doing what he said he would do and doing it with alacrity.

You need something to cure your bout of TDS or stay in your left wing echo chamber and wonder why America will thrive whilst the UK is rapidly going down the pan with this most unpopular, miserable, mendacious, economically illiterate, hypocritical government.

The basic difference between the US and the UK right now is that the Prime Minister is generally considered to be a rational, mentally stable adult still in full control of his faculties. This cannot be said of President Trump, which is a scary thing since he is more powerful than ten Keir Starmers.

It is also the case that no PM has attempted to remain in power by formenting an insurrection, and then given unconditional pardons to those who acted violently on his behalf.

These are extremely important distinctions that go beyond policy.

For anyone interested in what's actually happening as far as women's reproductive rights in the USA are concerned, Jessica Valenti is a good person to follow on social media.

www.instagram.com/jessicavalenti/?hl=en

For those of you who are not aware - the Trump second term plan, AKA Project 2025, is to shrink the state so it's small enough to drown in a bathtub.

Hence the emails having gone out to 3 million federal employees offering them money to resign.

The plan is to make the structures of government collapse so that people stop relying on it for healthcare, social services, welfare, food safety regulation etc etc.

It's a radical far right neo-liberal agenda.

@saltinesandcoffeecups

"what better way to to energize your base year after year then to trot out the “OMG they want to take your abortion rights away’ line."

They do.

Trump's boasted about how his supreme court picks have impacted on abortion access across the USA. Why do you think Christian Nationalists love him so much?

The whole 'I won't pass a national abortion ban' is just about creating plausible deniability.

Meanwhile plans are afoot to put major obstacles in the way of women accessing abortion care via the use of the Comstock Act, the threat of endless 'investigations' into the safety of Mifepristone, legislation in other areas referring to fetal personhood that is planting a seed that can later be used by the anti-abortion movement to push for a total ban on abortion from conception.

I'm wondering if you know this but you're just really cynical. You sound quite educated, but you're also on mumsnet quite a lot amplifying pro-Trump propaganda and misinformation.

1.35 million illegal immigrant workers work in the construction industry, 45% of agricultural workers in the US are undocumented.
What do you think will happen when those workers are gone? Those workers also sustain the jobs around them. Those workers also have no health insurance and no recorse against exploitative working conditions.
Do you honestly think Americans will start working in the fields picking oranges?

Because North Korea shouldn't be the baseline.
Rather Canada and Australia, both countries with higher net migration.
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/net-migration-rate/

@likeyoubut - thank you

Are there loads of people who are desperate to go there?

This shows you're a bit removed from the US tbf

3 million last year

https://homeland.house.gov/2024/10/24/startling-stats-factsheet-fiscal-year-2024-ends-with-nearly-3-million-inadmissible-encounters-10-8-million-total-encounters-since-fy2021/

@saltinesandcoffeecups I’d never considered it as a political scare tactic, but I do see your point. Sadly, you might be right. 🙁

Why are so many people (who are not white or wealthy) desperate to go there then? Surely people would be fleeing such a terrible, inhumane, North-Koreaesque hell hole, no doing the opposite?

what better way to to energize your base year after year then to trot out the “OMG they want to take your abortion rights away’ line.

Don’t ever think the Democrat leadership actually gave a damn about abortion rights. They cared about the votes.

I won't argue that the Democrats made a serious mistake not codifying Roe Vs Wade. I've always despised the US in terms of governance and foreign policy and this just cemented it.

Trump is horrific to me, but not surprising. Just a natural outcome of the seeds that country loves to sow.

@lifeturnsonadime The ongoing failure to codify Roe vs. Wade truly mystifies me. The decision was made in 1973, before most of us were born. Nixon was president ffs!

I don’t understand why such an important women’s right was kept so precarious,.

This idea has some merit!

You said 'at least they don't have to race trans women'.

What that was doing was belittling the women who have lost out on careers in sport due to males being allowed to enter, which was the Biden first day EO when he removed title IX.

For some women, losing sporting opportunities was not about recreation, it was about livelihoods. We've heard that accounts of the swimmers who not only lost out to Lia Thomas but then we're called bigots by their coaches for objecting to having to remove swimwear in Lia's presence. Lia is male. Why should these women's boundaries be eroded in this way. Why was the Male more important than these women? Why were the women called bigots for objecting?

You have declined to comment on my broader point about the failures of the Democrats to protect women. They failed to codify Roe v Wade despite election promises and they called women who object to males in prisons or to the removal of other sex based boundaries for women bigots. Women rights didn't matter to the Democrats ultimately except, in so far as they benefit males.

If women don't exist as a sex class independent of males then we can't enforce our rights. Minimising this issue in the way you did 'at least they don't have to race trans women' harms ALL women.

It was one of the reasons that Trump won.

I have family there. I'd move there tomorrow if I could - it's not easy to emigrate there legally. Maybe we could set up a one in one out swap? 😂

I’m American but haven’t lived there in about 15 years and very grateful I don’t. I very rarely visit, maybe 3 times in 15 years. I haven’t even bothered to renew my dc’s passports last year (we are all dual citizens except for Dh) because it’s expensive and there is no chance in hell we’ll be traveling there. My friends and family are feeling very worried and despondent and quite a few looking to emigrate temporarily or permanently. It’s embarrassing.

@WilfredsPies I listed the women's rights that have protected by Trumps EOs and mentioned the sex of transwomen in a way that offended someone

The "right jobs"? How the hell did you read that into what I posted?

I gave two examples of actual, living women, both with families to support, who are at risk of losing their jobs, their healthcare AND access to sexual health services. Women I care about.

You do realise there has never been the legal right to women's only spaces? This has not been removed.