To be really glad I don't live in America right now

10 million border encounters - that is people trying to cross the Southern border illegally, during Biden’s administration. Around 8 million made it over, so yes, loads.

Are there loads of people who are desperate to go there?

100% agree with you @AnonymousBleep

I wouldn't live in America if you paid me! So many reasons to not live there. Unless you're rich/wealthy/very solvent, how can anyone bear to live there? Only way to survive would be to be part of one of the huge religious organisations. 😬

No thank you, I will stay in my lovely country ta muchly (UK!) People can slate and bash and berate it as much as they like, but I will never live anywhere else!

Funnily enough, you do see some UK bashing on here, (from people who live in the UK,) but these people never leave do they? Funny that!

I'm sure that they appreciate your pity.

The ordinary Americans voted, he seems to be doing what he promised. Whether you agree or not with the policies, a politician quickly doing what they said they will do is a breath of fresh air. I wish that our politicians were more like that.

Yes, it can.

Were you around in the 70s?

Trump is, rather inescapably, a bit of a wild card, impulsive and rather narcissistic. Also, his comments about women, although long long ago, are certainly unacceptable and concerning.

And although he definitely has not tried to stop abortion in the USA, and has stated he is happy to allow the states to run things, I do wonder if he will change his mind. His comments on abortion sound a lot like a dog whistle to those who want no abortions, rather like he is winking at them and saying "I get it, but my hands are tied". This concerns me, I just hope he sticks to his promise to leave it up to the states, as for the moment only 13 states have banned abortion for all but serious medical reasons and the other 37 still allow abortion.

But he's doing what he said he would do, and what the people voted for, which I do appreciate. Politicians should work for the people, not just arbitrarly impose rules, taxes etc that nobody agreed to, or take things away from people in the country that nobody agreed to. If you're going to make sweeping changes, it is right and ethical to declare them first before election, and nobody can accuse Trump of not doing that.

What about JD Vance? He seems far brighter than Trump, do you think he would make a good president?

I live in the US and didn't vote for either candidate. Trump might be a moron but Biden and Harris would have destroyed our country. I really don't believe Biden was running the country this past or longer. Don't worry about us, we will survive and hopefully two intelligent candidates will run in 4 years.

Im incredibly sad for we sane Americans who voted for Kamala. I hate waking up in the morning to see what new inane proclamation our fearless Dickhead in Charge has uttered.

This isn't a thread about Twitter though? Sorry you don't think I am capable of having an adult discussion about something completely unrelated to the thread topic. Have a nice day!

Well are they doing that?
Or are they closing the legal pathways that are already there? Like the U.S. refugee admissions program or the CBP one App?
Or arresting parents in schools and separating them from their children?
You know illegal immigrants are less likely to commit violent crimes? Or that more than 30% of those are families?
Or that more than two-thirds of them have lived in the US for more than a decade?
Is that really an"invasion"?

So you think that unfettered human trafficking and fentanyl pouring into the US, not to mention terrorists, rapists and murderers is worth a new house or some crops picked?

I don’t.

If those sectors suffer from lack of workers and a good solution is immigration then I’d expect the government to adjust the number of immigrants from southern countries and streamline the process to enter legally.

Oliver Cromwell did kill a king and half the nobility in a civil war he fermented and then made himself Lord protector though

The US is always a very terrible, horrible, no good place to be according to most MNers. The vast majority here know nothing about it, but there a few experts who spent a week at Disney once.

I'm American, and the US that I read about on here shows no resemblance to the real US. But MNers don't want to hear that.

I can imagine. 14 years of the Tories has decimated the country and then you have Brexit. Change is hopefully around the corner, it can't get worse.

If the US was a centre right country, Mitt Romney would be president.

It's not really rising in the UK. Reform have taken votes from the Conservatives and split the right wing vote. That's how Labour won (and I say that as a Labour voter). They didn't take votes from Labour though. Britain remains a broadly centrist country, with louder (because richer) voices on the hard right.

Please note I said before 14 days.
I don't know why my auto correct added a s to sperm (did it in this post too but I caught it this time) and oops with my dyslexia meaning that 8 again didn't see the auto correct changing implants into implements.
Also it's not an opinion that sex is encoded at conception it's fact. I was laughing at the poster because they tried pulling me up with misinformation sex is not determined at 6 weeks as the poster I quoted claims.
Perhaps you should shine your fact-checking light on them rather than picking on my typos or is it only posters who you disagree with that you do this with

1.35 million illegal immigrant workers work in the construction industry, 45% of agricultural workers in the US are undocumented.
What do you think will happen when those workers are gone? Those workers also sustain the jobs around them. Those workers also have no health insurance and no recorse against exploitative working conditions.
Do you honestly think Americans will start working in the fields picking oranges?

The US is always a very terrible, horrible, no good place to be according to most MNers. The vast majority here know nothing about it, but there a few experts who spent a week at Disney once.

I'm American, and the US that I read about on here shows no resemblance to the real US. But MNers don't want to hear that.

There are a lot of people who look at the UK and are glad they don't live here right now. We're not in any better a place.

You may not like Trump but there are plenty of people who think Starmer is no better.

If you're hard left you'll hate Trump, if you're hard right you'll hate Starmer. If you're in between you'll probably dislike both of them.

FWIW I think the diversity argument is worth investigating. Jobs like controlling aircraft should be done by the best people to do them. Diversity should mean that the best person gets the job regardless of their background, i.e. if the best candidate is a black lesbian that shouldn't matter, not that a substandard candidate gets the job simply because they are a black lesbian.

For those of you who are not aware - the Trump second term plan, AKA Project 2025, is to shrink the state so it's small enough to drown in a bathtub.

Hence the emails having gone out to 3 million federal employees offering them money to resign.

The plan is to make the structures of government collapse so that people stop relying on it for healthcare, social services, welfare, food safety regulation etc etc.

It's a radical far right neo-liberal agenda.

@saltinesandcoffeecups

"what better way to to energize your base year after year then to trot out the “OMG they want to take your abortion rights away’ line."

They do.

Trump's boasted about how his supreme court picks have impacted on abortion access across the USA. Why do you think Christian Nationalists love him so much?

The whole 'I won't pass a national abortion ban' is just about creating plausible deniability.

Meanwhile plans are afoot to put major obstacles in the way of women accessing abortion care via the use of the Comstock Act, the threat of endless 'investigations' into the safety of Mifepristone, legislation in other areas referring to fetal personhood that is planting a seed that can later be used by the anti-abortion movement to push for a total ban on abortion from conception.

I'm wondering if you know this but you're just really cynical. You sound quite educated, but you're also on mumsnet quite a lot amplifying pro-Trump propaganda and misinformation.