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Rent increase by £300!!! What do I do? Is this normal? Please help!!!!

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Lele101 · 31/01/2025 00:47

Just got a text from landlord

“mortgage gone up and I’m paying 300 more for service charges and insurance to the council I have no choice but to raise rent by 300”

we live in ilford, Barkingside. It’s a 2 bedroom flat. Currently paying 1400, now he wants 1700.

last increase was 16 months ago. (From 1225 to 1400)

im shocked. Is this normal?? Please advice. I don’t know what to do.

OP posts:
Queenofthejabs · 01/02/2025 14:01

Mrsbloggz · 01/02/2025 13:46

Landlording is an investment activity, the profit comes from the appreciation of the asset. The fact that you can charge someone to live in the asset whilst it is appreciating in value is an extra bonus!

Eh no. That’s not the only reason people become landlords. What an odd thought,

Mrsbloggz · 01/02/2025 13:46

Kitchensinktoday · 01/02/2025 08:43

If you only have 8 years left on the mortgage have you had it on capital repayment? So your tenants have paid for you a huge asset?
You can avoid the rent increase to your tenants by lengthening the mortgage term or going interest only. Yes it will reduce your return, its the less greedy option given the return you are making is passive and involves little actual work on your part. If you don't like that then sell up.

@InDogweRust why on earth should a LL lengthen the mortgage term or go interest only? Being a LL is not a charity, it’s a business! Would you expect Waitrose to run at a loss to decrease the cost of groceries? And if the tenants have indeed paid for a “huge asset” well that’s kind of the aim, isn’t it?

Landlording is an investment activity, the profit comes from the appreciation of the asset. The fact that you can charge someone to live in the asset whilst it is appreciating in value is an extra bonus!

Queenofthejabs · 01/02/2025 09:26

InDogweRust · 01/02/2025 06:59

@m00rfarm
My mortgage comes to an end in July at the low rate and will increase by around 500 a month. It is a large mortgage. Currently the rent already does not fully cover the cost of the mortgage, insurance etc. So in July, it will be way down. No increase for 8 years so far. I can either raise it by 300 or 400 a month (which still leaves me losing a significant amount of money) or I sell. I cannot keep going at such a loss. I have only 8 more years or so on the mortgage, which is why I have been struggling to keep the property

If you only have 8 years left on the mortgage have you had it on capital repayment? So your tenants have paid for you a huge asset?

You can avoid the rent increase to your tenants by lengthening the mortgage term or going interest only. Yes it will reduce your return, its the less greedy option given the return you are making is passive and involves little actual work on your part. If you don't like that then sell up.

Yes, the tenants did it out the goodness of their hearts. Didn’t get to live there, nope. Were not paying for the privalge of living there, nope. They just paid for the asset as an act of mercy . 🙄

Kitchensinktoday · 01/02/2025 08:43

If you only have 8 years left on the mortgage have you had it on capital repayment? So your tenants have paid for you a huge asset?
You can avoid the rent increase to your tenants by lengthening the mortgage term or going interest only. Yes it will reduce your return, its the less greedy option given the return you are making is passive and involves little actual work on your part. If you don't like that then sell up.

@InDogweRust why on earth should a LL lengthen the mortgage term or go interest only? Being a LL is not a charity, it’s a business! Would you expect Waitrose to run at a loss to decrease the cost of groceries? And if the tenants have indeed paid for a “huge asset” well that’s kind of the aim, isn’t it?

rainingsnoring · 01/02/2025 08:36

soupyspoon · 31/01/2025 21:13

Im yet to see on the ground that asking rents are falling and Im not sure what is the research on asking rents vs paid rent differentials. Its a bit like asking prices for houses, often the paid price is far higher

I might send a text at 1am, Im not necessarily expecting the other person to be awake and up at that time, they would read it once they're awake. What difference does it make sending it at 5pm or 7pm or 8am.

Personally my phone is off at night anyway, I woujld read the message once Im up.

You are one person. This data is national and, I would suggest, carries more weight.
Hopefully, if you are LL, you have now learned from this thread that it is unprofessional and unkind to send this sort of message in the night. I would have thought it was obvious but clearly not to some!

m00rfarm · 01/02/2025 07:28

InDogweRust · 01/02/2025 06:59

@m00rfarm
My mortgage comes to an end in July at the low rate and will increase by around 500 a month. It is a large mortgage. Currently the rent already does not fully cover the cost of the mortgage, insurance etc. So in July, it will be way down. No increase for 8 years so far. I can either raise it by 300 or 400 a month (which still leaves me losing a significant amount of money) or I sell. I cannot keep going at such a loss. I have only 8 more years or so on the mortgage, which is why I have been struggling to keep the property

If you only have 8 years left on the mortgage have you had it on capital repayment? So your tenants have paid for you a huge asset?

You can avoid the rent increase to your tenants by lengthening the mortgage term or going interest only. Yes it will reduce your return, its the less greedy option given the return you are making is passive and involves little actual work on your part. If you don't like that then sell up.

I only have eight years because of my age. It cannot be extended further. The bank won’t go interest only as I’ve no way of repaying the capital when I’m 70. It already goes slightly beyond retirement age. It’s been rented for 8 years. I’ve never made a profit on renting it. I’m not greedy. It’s way under market value. It’s a standard repayment mortgage. You’ve made a lot of incorrect assumptions. I want to sell up. But the couple in there won’t find anywhere else to live in the area at their current rent. They’ve not paid for a huge asset. I’ve been paying for it all my life. They’ve paid towards it for 8 years, under market value for 7 of them. Edited to say it’s actually ten years left on the mortgage. So it’s five years past my retirement age when the mortgage will be finished. If I sell, at current interest rates, I’ll make significantly more than they pay in rent. So the title greedy is misplaced. Guilty is how I’m feeling it I sell.

InDogweRust · 01/02/2025 06:59

@m00rfarm
My mortgage comes to an end in July at the low rate and will increase by around 500 a month. It is a large mortgage. Currently the rent already does not fully cover the cost of the mortgage, insurance etc. So in July, it will be way down. No increase for 8 years so far. I can either raise it by 300 or 400 a month (which still leaves me losing a significant amount of money) or I sell. I cannot keep going at such a loss. I have only 8 more years or so on the mortgage, which is why I have been struggling to keep the property

If you only have 8 years left on the mortgage have you had it on capital repayment? So your tenants have paid for you a huge asset?

You can avoid the rent increase to your tenants by lengthening the mortgage term or going interest only. Yes it will reduce your return, its the less greedy option given the return you are making is passive and involves little actual work on your part. If you don't like that then sell up.

soupyspoon · 31/01/2025 21:13

rainingsnoring · 31/01/2025 19:04

There has been a surplus of tenants but, if asking rents are falling, it suggests that the tables have turned in some places doesn't it. You can guarantee that some LLs would continue to raise rents if they could. Who knows whether the LL will or won't be short of options. If he does decided to issue a S21 to the OP, he would lose a couple of months of rent, possibly need to pay to repaint, etc and pay agency fees. He needs to weigh up all those costs.
Texting at 1am is very unprofessional. Who cares what his reasons were. It's still very unprofessional to send a text message in the night that is going to upset any tenant in this way.

Im yet to see on the ground that asking rents are falling and Im not sure what is the research on asking rents vs paid rent differentials. Its a bit like asking prices for houses, often the paid price is far higher

I might send a text at 1am, Im not necessarily expecting the other person to be awake and up at that time, they would read it once they're awake. What difference does it make sending it at 5pm or 7pm or 8am.

Personally my phone is off at night anyway, I woujld read the message once Im up.

Copernicus321 · 31/01/2025 21:07

We are in an endless circle where high property prices and rents are built in but I wonder to what extent the feedback loop of housing benefit and tax credits over the last 20 years has fed the rise in rents? In much the same way that moving from a nation of predominantly 1 income households to 2 income households fed the property prices since the 70's.

EdithBond · 31/01/2025 20:31

Copernicus321 · 31/01/2025 17:19

Not every landlord is unscrupulous. I rent out a number of houses to long-term tenants (between 9 - 17 years) at a discount of 30% of the local market rent. I know my tenants personally, they are good to me and I'm good to them. I could make more but I don't need to. Believe it or not, there are quite a number of landlords like me (unprofessional ones some might say), but the houses never come to the rental market because the tenants never leave.

You should get tax breaks for letting at sub market rates.

EdithBond · 31/01/2025 20:24

Lele101 · 31/01/2025 14:47

I think I have no choice

i’m 64 on low income (cleaner).

there’s also another huge problem:

My daughter recently became disabled and lost her job. (Was diagnosed with rare condition). Cannot work at all. We are in the process of applying for PiP but we heard horror stories of rejection etc. having to go tribunal and the long waiting times fighting to prove etc especially if the person is young and has an invisible disability.

my ex husband who lives with us is a disabled pensioner.

no one will rent to us…

I’m worried sick.

Edited

Apply to your council to go on the social housing waiting list straight away. You should get extra points for disabilities and maybe for being a pensioner household.

And you’ll qualify for over 55 accommodation, some of which is two bedrooms.

Claim local housing allowance in the meantime.

EdithBond · 31/01/2025 20:09

Miley1967 · 31/01/2025 10:49

They are just oblivious to the damage that BTL has caused to this country. Those in power that have let this happen and the greedy landlords who jumped on the bandwagon are all to blame. No one gives a toss about anything except themselves these days. I know there have always been landlords but the extent of what this has become is horrifying along with the lack of social housing and right to buy. Families constantly having to move, no security, rents spiralling way above local housing allowance rates. It's not good for society. People need affordable rents and stability.

100% this. Buy to Let mortgages were an absolute disaster.

They’ve created a group of greedy millionaire rentiers, forcing up house prices and rents for everyone. Instead of only people who need somewhere to live competing to buy homes, BTL ‘property portfolio’ investors (backed by favourable interest-only mortgages) have been outbidding them. Totally skewing the market. They often let family homes to sharers for huge amounts per room or as holiday lets.

So, ordinary families can’t afford to buy as they’re outbid by BTL investors. And they can’t afford to rent because they’re outbid by sharers or lose out to holiday lets. If you’re a lone parent, forget it! You’re facing homelessness. Families are being driven out of all but the most undesirable, crime-ridden, isolated areas.

They should end BTL mortgages immediately. And make separate use classes for holiday lets, so it’s unlawful to convert residential into a holiday let. Then, limit existing landlords to charging rents affordable on average local incomes.

If they want to sell, they should pay huge amounts of capital gains tax, which would deter them from fleeing the market and cashing in. This tax should go in a ring fenced fund for councils to buy them out and let to the existing tenants as council housing.

Then the tables will be turned, they’ll be as snookered as tenants are now and they’ll have to put their hands in their pockets and cough up some of their huge capital gains.

And families will be able to afford a home again, both to buy and rent.

Won’t happen, though. Because existing homeowners will lose equity in their home when the heat goes out of the market. And everyone likes getting off on how much their house has gone up in value, while the rest of us are shafted or homeless. Because greed is now a virtue to be bragged about.

Curtainqueen · 31/01/2025 19:52

Lele101 · 31/01/2025 14:47

I think I have no choice

i’m 64 on low income (cleaner).

there’s also another huge problem:

My daughter recently became disabled and lost her job. (Was diagnosed with rare condition). Cannot work at all. We are in the process of applying for PiP but we heard horror stories of rejection etc. having to go tribunal and the long waiting times fighting to prove etc especially if the person is young and has an invisible disability.

my ex husband who lives with us is a disabled pensioner.

no one will rent to us…

I’m worried sick.

Edited

Did you visit the forum I recommend for advice?

rainingsnoring · 31/01/2025 19:04

soupyspoon · 31/01/2025 18:28

Its a rare area that has a surplus of rentals where prospective tenants can take their pick.

Its much more common that people applying for properties are turned down while competing with other prospective tenants, no matter how expensive the property.

In this specific area that OP is living, the landlord will not be short of options.

Also there is a lot of focus on the LL texting OP at 1am, he may not have expected OP to be up, perhaps thats just the time he messages and is expecting to follow up formally and legally, not sure why this is being seen as significant as no one knows his intentions in that respect.

There has been a surplus of tenants but, if asking rents are falling, it suggests that the tables have turned in some places doesn't it. You can guarantee that some LLs would continue to raise rents if they could. Who knows whether the LL will or won't be short of options. If he does decided to issue a S21 to the OP, he would lose a couple of months of rent, possibly need to pay to repaint, etc and pay agency fees. He needs to weigh up all those costs.
Texting at 1am is very unprofessional. Who cares what his reasons were. It's still very unprofessional to send a text message in the night that is going to upset any tenant in this way.

soupyspoon · 31/01/2025 18:28

rainingsnoring · 31/01/2025 07:59

They may not be able to find another tenant though. I think some LLs are living in a fantasy world where they don't grasp that there is a certain point where their rents are simply unaffordable to people in the area.

I've just posted this article above, suggesting that asking rents have fallen recently:
www.theguardian.com/money/2025/jan/28/private-rents-great-britain-fall-outside-london-rightmove

Its a rare area that has a surplus of rentals where prospective tenants can take their pick.

Its much more common that people applying for properties are turned down while competing with other prospective tenants, no matter how expensive the property.

In this specific area that OP is living, the landlord will not be short of options.

Also there is a lot of focus on the LL texting OP at 1am, he may not have expected OP to be up, perhaps thats just the time he messages and is expecting to follow up formally and legally, not sure why this is being seen as significant as no one knows his intentions in that respect.

CC222 · 31/01/2025 18:04

Also, have you checked if you will be eligible to any Universal Credit to help with the additional rent costs, should there be no clause in your tenancy agreement limiting how much they can increase it by? Check on the benefits calculator if you're eligible to help with the higher rent amount

CC222 · 31/01/2025 18:02

Is there any clause in your tenancy agreement that states when they can increase rent, and by how much %?
For example, mine states once a year and max 5%. They once tried to increase it by more than that and I pushed back so they now increase by 5% each year but that's in the terms so legally all they can get away with.
Read your tenancy agreement thoroughly before you respond or agree to anything.

Luminousalumnus · 31/01/2025 18:00

Herburary · 31/01/2025 13:28

It worked out great, I was in a lot of debt then so I used the money I saved in rent to pay all that off. Ended up lodging with a friend of a friend who was a lovely old lady, much better arrangement all round.

I suppose he could have took me to court but I told him I was broke so maybe that's why he didn't bother.

It was the right decision at the time and I don't regret it at all.

Landlords need to remember that they don't have all the power and these greedy leeches can't just put up rents whenever they feel like it. At least they can't just snatch all the deposit like they used to do, which was actual theft, not just squatting which is what not paying rent is really.

Good God you twerp. Landlords do hold all the power. The only reason you don't have ccjs, and no credit rating is out of the goodness of the ex landlords heart. You have made situation worse for other tenants, acted illegally and are giving the same deranged advice now to others. Grow the fuck up.

Queenofthejabs · 31/01/2025 17:29

mantaraya · 31/01/2025 15:09

Errmm.... they are supplying housing. That's a pretty important service. Do you want them to not supply housing?

They're not supplying housing. They're buying up a limited resource and then leasing it back on the market at a premium. If all the BTL landlords actually invested in building houses (which we desperately need) then we'd be in a very different situation.

Once again, no, they are dropping out in their droves. And it’s not reduced house pricing, all that’s happened is rents are driven up due to lack of supply.

you can’t seriously think now they are stopped all renters can magic up 50 or a hundred grand for a deposit and buy?

these sort pf answers are just bemusing.

BeanAround · 31/01/2025 17:22

People always suggest phoning Shelter but you generally can’t get through on the phone unless you’re at immediate risk of homelessness (they do have webchat though).

There are other charities you can try: local CAB can help with everything. Is there a charity for the rare condition your daughter has, they may be able you on applying for PIP. As you are older Independent Age offers housing and welfare advice and are so much easier to get through to than Shelter

Copernicus321 · 31/01/2025 17:19

Herburary · 31/01/2025 13:51

It's more complicated than "theft is theft" anyway. Landlords are hoarding a vital but limited resource. If those of us who are forced to rent choose to upset the landlords' privileged position in this unfair transaction as much as we're able to now and then, it's fair game.

Not every landlord is unscrupulous. I rent out a number of houses to long-term tenants (between 9 - 17 years) at a discount of 30% of the local market rent. I know my tenants personally, they are good to me and I'm good to them. I could make more but I don't need to. Believe it or not, there are quite a number of landlords like me (unprofessional ones some might say), but the houses never come to the rental market because the tenants never leave.

faithbuffy · 31/01/2025 16:55

Lele101 · 31/01/2025 14:47

I think I have no choice

i’m 64 on low income (cleaner).

there’s also another huge problem:

My daughter recently became disabled and lost her job. (Was diagnosed with rare condition). Cannot work at all. We are in the process of applying for PiP but we heard horror stories of rejection etc. having to go tribunal and the long waiting times fighting to prove etc especially if the person is young and has an invisible disability.

my ex husband who lives with us is a disabled pensioner.

no one will rent to us…

I’m worried sick.

Edited

There are people that will Flowers
My dad is in rented, he's on a pension with no other income. He stayed there after my mum died, landlord very happy and hasn't changed the rent

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 31/01/2025 16:25

Lele101 · 31/01/2025 14:47

I think I have no choice

i’m 64 on low income (cleaner).

there’s also another huge problem:

My daughter recently became disabled and lost her job. (Was diagnosed with rare condition). Cannot work at all. We are in the process of applying for PiP but we heard horror stories of rejection etc. having to go tribunal and the long waiting times fighting to prove etc especially if the person is young and has an invisible disability.

my ex husband who lives with us is a disabled pensioner.

no one will rent to us…

I’m worried sick.

Edited

Speak to Shelter / CAB and to your local council. You are vulnerable and at potential risk of homelessness.

As an aside get help with the PIP form too. I have a visually impaired family member and the RNIB listed a whole load of relevant issues on their website that would never have occurred to me but were problems the person faced when I checked with them.

EasternStandard · 31/01/2025 16:06

mantaraya · 31/01/2025 15:09

Errmm.... they are supplying housing. That's a pretty important service. Do you want them to not supply housing?

They're not supplying housing. They're buying up a limited resource and then leasing it back on the market at a premium. If all the BTL landlords actually invested in building houses (which we desperately need) then we'd be in a very different situation.

The op clearly needs to rent somewhere and the reduction of supply is making it harder