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Year 6 (11 year olds) torturing worms

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mollyminniemo · 30/01/2025 18:52

I know this may look like a rather bizarre thread but I need some other thoughts/ advice. My DS (11) who is a vegetarian and animal lover told me 4 of his friends yesterday stomped on a worm and killed it on purpose. DS was trying to save it on a sports field and they crowded round him to stop him getting a little stick to take it away and into soil away from all the kids. They kept preventing him from doing it and then crowded round and began stomping on the poor worm. Every time DS tried to get back in they’d (I don’t think with much force) use their hockey sticks to bat him away. They all took part in gleefully stamping on the poor worm “untill it was just mush”.
I’m horrified. What would you do?
I can speak to the boys myself as I come into the school at lunchtimes in the week. Or
message the parents? Ask the headmaster to discuss it in an assembly or with them individually?

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MyPearlDuck · 30/01/2025 22:00

This happened to me at school, when I was also in Year 6 (a very long time ago now!!). I was (and still am) a vegetarian and a huge animal lover - and a certain group of boys would go around stomping on snails deliberately, just to provoke me. It was vile and truly upset me, to the point that I remember it so clearly even now! OP, your son sounds lovely and he is absolutely in the right. The other boys should be reported, but at the same time I’d advise your son to play down his views for the moment, as it’s likely the boys are only doing it to get a reaction. I learnt that the hard way - but when 10-year-old me stopped making a fuss about the snails, the boys got bored and moved onto something else. They were only doing it for a laugh and a reaction, not because they were truly murderous little boys (not that that excuses their disgusting behaviour). Well done to your son for being such a kind young man, and well done to you for taking his (valid) concerns so seriously.

Pussygaloregalapagos · 30/01/2025 21:55

Children can be so nasty can’t they. Pretty normal though.

BusyExpert · 30/01/2025 21:52

mollyminniemo · 30/01/2025 18:54

They didn’t “tread” on it. They tortured it stamping on it taking turns on purpose.

I wouldn't worry too much . The first "stomp" would have killed it, they wouldn't have suffered.

BTW do you ever "stomp"on spiders, swat flies, kill slugs, mice and rats?

tillyandmilly · 30/01/2025 21:50

Horrible mentality from those children! Stamping on a living creature - doesn’t matter what size the creature is - its plain cruel - How can anyone feel this is acceptable?

Derbee · 30/01/2025 21:49

Disgusting behaviour, and really disturbing that so many people are saying it’s not a big deal. Aside from the obvious lack of empathy and emotional intelligence which could clearly lead to bullying and nasty behaviour… killing a living creature for fun is sick. And that sort of mob mentality can certainly escalate and cause larger issues.

I’d tell DS how proud I was of him, and I’d definitely mention something to the school. It’s really disturbing.

Pollyanna87 · 30/01/2025 21:45

I would be really upset too, OP.

sjs42 · 30/01/2025 21:45

Pigeonqueen · 30/01/2025 21:41

Shocked at some of the comments here. Torturing an animal, any animal, is disgusting behaviour. It shows a lack of basic empathy and needs dealing with. I’d definitely report to the teachers. They need to have a wider lesson about being kind to animals.

I agree with this. Very worrying behaviour.

Pigeonqueen · 30/01/2025 21:41

Shocked at some of the comments here. Torturing an animal, any animal, is disgusting behaviour. It shows a lack of basic empathy and needs dealing with. I’d definitely report to the teachers. They need to have a wider lesson about being kind to animals.

Guest100 · 30/01/2025 21:39

I would mention it to the teacher. It’s most likely the kids pushing boundaries and exploring their world. They should grow out of it in time. If it escalates it’s needs to be looked into.

Catza · 30/01/2025 21:33

FindusMakesPancakes · 30/01/2025 19:33

To me, this is not actually about the worm suffering. This is about a group of children who were picking on OP's son, directly trying to stop him showing compassion to a living creature, whatever that creature was. They went out of their way to do something that was distressing to one of their classmates. That is where the cruelty comes into it.

It was bullying of a child who was being kind, empathetic and compassionate. That is unacceptable and the school should be made aware.

That's a very different problem and something I would approach the school about. Not killing of a worm.

Catza · 30/01/2025 21:28

mollyminniemo · 30/01/2025 18:54

They didn’t “tread” on it. They tortured it stamping on it taking turns on purpose.

Worms are not sentient beings, their nervous system does not process stimuli in the same way as larger animals do. They don't feel pain (as far as we know). They have protective mechanisms which make them recoil on touch but that's about it. You cannot torture something which feels no pain. It's a good opportunity to teach your son about biology, perhaps. Speaking about it with parents and teachers is a bit OTT.

HPandthelastwish · 30/01/2025 21:25

@mollyminniemo he is right about worms, same with frogs and similar the oils, lotions and potions transfer to them via our hands, you should always wet your hand, preferably in pond water before picking them up - frogs and toads that is

Glitchymn1 · 30/01/2025 21:21

If you enjoy hurting any living creature, I’m sorry but you are a cunt. Usually escalates too, for those saying “it’s just a worm’. Might just be your child next… or you, or something you care about.

Praise your son.

mollyminniemo · 30/01/2025 21:15

Thanks for the very kind comments about my DS. Also happy to see those who also feel sad that 11 year olds could enjoy inflicting very purposeful pain and kill a fellow living creature, “even” if it is “just” a worm. I’m of course also concerned about the bullying nature of this, hence why I mentioned the hockey sticks being used against him to prevent him helping the worm, as think all in all it sums up a horrible situation. Thanks for the advice re. how to possibly deal with this, I definitely won’t approach the children directly now!😊

Also *Ablondiebutagoody *thanks for the lovely comment but he uses a little stick rather than his hands as heard worms can get burnt from human skin contact, while not sure if this is true apparently they can suffer from the oils on our hands. But thanks.

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BobbyBiscuits · 30/01/2025 19:47

@Lovelysummerdays yep, it was the 80s and we were testing that theory. Somewhat unethically.

TrixieFatell · 30/01/2025 19:45

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 30/01/2025 19:38

I'm an adult and found it upsetting even I saw a group of teens stamp on a cinnabar moth. I have no idea why they felt the need to do it, they were definitely old enough to know better. It's so unnecessary.

But then I struggle with why that's bad but it's ok for me to spray the house regularly to try and keep the sodding clothes moths under control.

For me it's the enjoyment they got from killing it

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 30/01/2025 19:38

I'm an adult and found it upsetting even I saw a group of teens stamp on a cinnabar moth. I have no idea why they felt the need to do it, they were definitely old enough to know better. It's so unnecessary.

But then I struggle with why that's bad but it's ok for me to spray the house regularly to try and keep the sodding clothes moths under control.

Lovelysummerdays · 30/01/2025 19:34

Honestly child stomps on worm whilst not ideal it’s not exactly serial killer behaviour. I hoover up spiders, they will die outside anyway. When I had a wasps nest / cluster flies they were poisoned/ fumigated. When there was mice they were poisoned too. I don’t think I’m going to start killing people off.

Children can be vile and they were enjoying winding your son up. I’d let it go tbh.

FindusMakesPancakes · 30/01/2025 19:33

To me, this is not actually about the worm suffering. This is about a group of children who were picking on OP's son, directly trying to stop him showing compassion to a living creature, whatever that creature was. They went out of their way to do something that was distressing to one of their classmates. That is where the cruelty comes into it.

It was bullying of a child who was being kind, empathetic and compassionate. That is unacceptable and the school should be made aware.

SouthLondonMum22 · 30/01/2025 19:32

PumpkinSpicedLatte · 30/01/2025 19:29

Those saying that this isn’t a problem, are the sort of parents that have kids like that and think it’s acceptable. Where do you draw the line? If it was a mouse, a cat, a dog, or another child then it would be wrong so why does it make it ok ‘because it’s a worm’? I would 100% go to the head about it. Not just for the sake of it being a creature but that is bullying for your son. Sorry OP I hope you get it sorted x

People draw a line all of the time. Especially those who eat meat.

I eat chicken but I wouldn't eat puppy.

Newuser75 · 30/01/2025 19:31

PumpkinSpicedLatte · 30/01/2025 19:29

Those saying that this isn’t a problem, are the sort of parents that have kids like that and think it’s acceptable. Where do you draw the line? If it was a mouse, a cat, a dog, or another child then it would be wrong so why does it make it ok ‘because it’s a worm’? I would 100% go to the head about it. Not just for the sake of it being a creature but that is bullying for your son. Sorry OP I hope you get it sorted x

I agree totally!
I'm shocked that people think this is acceptable, for both the worm and your son.
I would mention it to the school.

Samelly · 30/01/2025 19:31

My daughters a veggie too (11) and some kid stomped hard on a cockroach in a queue at Disney and my daughter didn’t stop thinking/mentioning it for ages after. It’s just mindless and some kids are just mean. Like she hates spiders but wouldn’t dream of killing one or not removing it humanely

RaininSummer · 30/01/2025 19:29

TurtlesDoNotPetsMake · 30/01/2025 19:25

Worse happens in a slaughter house, and we eat it!

I don't.

PumpkinSpicedLatte · 30/01/2025 19:29

Those saying that this isn’t a problem, are the sort of parents that have kids like that and think it’s acceptable. Where do you draw the line? If it was a mouse, a cat, a dog, or another child then it would be wrong so why does it make it ok ‘because it’s a worm’? I would 100% go to the head about it. Not just for the sake of it being a creature but that is bullying for your son. Sorry OP I hope you get it sorted x

Lovelysummerdays · 30/01/2025 19:28

BobbyBiscuits · 30/01/2025 19:01

I used to do this thing called 'worm hospital' where we'd cut them in half to see if they'd grow again. And also pretend to 'save' the dying ones. This was around that age, late primary.

It's not great is it. But it didn't lead me to become a torturer. And I'd never have dreamt of hurting a bigger animal. Not that I'm justifying it, but it is based on curiosity. Rather than malice.

It's good if he tells them how gross it is. That hurting animals is disgusting.

But I wouldn't start assuming they're on the road to becoming the local band of axe murders.

I was told as a child if you cut a worm up it would form new worms and that you could do it up to seven times but after that they’d die. I have no idea if that is remotely true or just an urban legend of the 80s