To say that a lot of people who claim to hate their jobs are just lazy?

Why should people enjoy putting in effort for their employer, though? Why would you expect them to be joyful about it? It's a means of survival, that's all.

And even if they don't enjoy their job, if they're doing their job they're not being lazy.

I don't hate my job at all - but I certainly wouldn't do it if I didn't have to. I wouldn't do any job at all if I didn't have to.

There are much more interesting and more important and fulfilling things in my life than work. I have many ambitions and passions and absolutely none of them involve making money and/or turning up to an office to serve an employer. That simply isn't important to me. It's simply a means to an end, a necessary evil that enables me to do the other stuff in my life that actually matters.

What @FictionalCharacter said. Spot on. I should be able to love my job, I’m doing exactly what I trained for, its meaningful, useful, just under national average pay which could be better but I went into it with open eyes on that. But yeah, I’d ditch it in a heartbeat because to the ridiculous, relentless, impossible workload and tosspot managers who want the moon but never leave me alone long enough to actually get on with any of it.

So given a binary choice of love it or hate it I pick hate.

I suspect this is just a deliberately goady post, but YABVU. I’ve had jobs that I hated BECAUSE I was busting a gut and getting absolutely nowhere because of useless managers, bad workplace cultures etc. I’ve known many other people who have felt the same.

Who likes putting in effort?? Isn't that the opposite of the definition of effort? If you liked it, it would be easy, not effortful.

I mean yes, there is a sense of satisfaction from a job well-done, or in feeling competent in displaying a skill which perhaps not many people have. You can feel motivated by a short term or long term goal which makes the effort feel worth it.

But effort, on its own, isn't rewarding. That's normal. It's not lazy to feel that way, it's just human. The body doesn't like expending effort unnecessarily - that is inefficient and wastes energy.

Not sure of your point OP.

Most people only work because they are being paid.

Look at it the it another way - if an employer decided to pay double the market rate, they could expect to attract the most motivated staff because they appreciate what the employer is offering them.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

Yesssss! I’m younger than you but was around for the dying days of pub lunches, long lunches, daytime boozing.

Even my “fun” jobs (fashion industry) stopped the fun factor eventually, though a lot of that coincided with the 2008 recession. We went from Konditer & Cook and champagne for birthdays to Colin the Caterpillar and cups of tea. #mystruggle

(WFH now so theoretically I could crack open an M&S gin in a tin at lunchtime, for nostalgia vibes, but it’s not the same.)

Somebody who hates their job but still goes on and do it is not lazy! They can have good reasons for hating their job but having to do it in order to put food on the table.

@BeWaryNavySheep
I used to love my job now I don't.
Decades of decline, incompetent managers.
Ridiculous amounts of paperwork.
Levels of expectations from a lot but not all of our users are imo too high.
I go in each shift with a positive mindset I often leave demoralised and weary of it all.
I am not lazy far from it.
If you hate/dislike your job it is a much more complex set of reasons that have led you to feeling like this rather than being lazy.
Your post makes little sense and you haven't returned to clarify exactly what you mean.

I'm lazy, but I only ever had one job I hated (shit management, mainly) in over 50 years of working, so no, I don't think you are correct.

Despite my intrinsic laziness (or perhaps because of it) I was commended for how much I achieved in practically all my roles.

Work smarter, not harder was my technique long before it became a catchphrase.

I entered the workplace in the early 80s. It was so much more sociable and relaxed then, people took proper coffee lunch and tea breaks away from their desk and going to the pub Friday lunchtime was not unheard of. Things began to change in the late 90s/early 00s, and by the time I retired 5 years ago (I was very lucky to be able to do this) it had become unbearable, everyone was so stuffy and deadly earnest and it was just no fun.

@BeWaryNavySheep. This thread shows a lack of empathy from you and the inability to objectively see that 'hating your job' could have so many variables as to why (not just a toxic environment).

Getting your backside up everyday, to do a job that you hate is the exact opposite of lazy!

The idea that we have to love our job or choose a vocation is capitalist bullshit. It isn’t laziness to see through this. The idea we have to work ourselves to the bone for just enough money to pay the bills, will no doubt, cause many people to become disenchanted and understandably so.

I think that's a very odd assumption. You can hate your job and still work hard at it. You can hate your job even though you prefer another that is the same/even more work.

I once had a job I hated. It was so overstaffed I spent the majority of the time sitting at my desk doing nothing - some weeks I had maybe 2 hours of work the whole week. It wasn't laziness that made me hate that!

What does your friend's dd do pancake parlour? Id love a job like that!

Exactly

This isn't worth any more of a response other than posting to say it's not worth a response. Off the charts daftest thing I have ever heard! 😂

Yeh I'm pretty lazy to be fair. But I get up and go to work anyway cos I have to and I need money.
So why is my intrinsic laziness a problem if I'm still going to work? And yeh I moan about it cos I'd rather be spending my time doing what I want, hobbies and chilling and nice lunches and shopping. But I can't do those things, and I don't do those things, I go to work.

I happily admit I'm lazy by default. Why is that a bad thing?

There’s so, so, so much more to life than work OP.

There’s so, so, so many worse things to be than “lazy” when it comes to paid work, much of which is transparently a waste of life to anyone with an ounce of critical thinking skills.

I don’t know why lazy is seen as a bad thing?

I’m lazy, I like to find the most productive way of doing something so I can get the task done more quickly. I work in a project based role, so the quicker and better I do things the more free time I have. I don’t want to do something half arsed and then spend the next month having to address quality issues. My projects run smoothly, they’re done to a high standard, and it means I can pick my child up earlier (or read a book on the sofa with a cup of tea and enjoy an hour’s peace)!!

Embrace the lazy!!

It's the opposite of lazy, actually. The person is able to motivate themselves to get up every morning and go somewhere they absolutely don't want to be.

You are just being goady I expect.

I think most people who hate their job is because there is at least one nasty individual they have to deal with on a daily basis. I’ve only ever hated jobs where I’ve loathed a colleague not because of the actual work.

And so what if people are ‘lazy’ but they still get their arse into work. Most people would leave their job if they won the lottery.

Surely it’s lazier to not work at all?

What do you do for a job OP?

Im going to bet you don’t manage anyone and that your job doesn’t hold a high level of responsibility?