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Ex pissed off im changing childcare arrangements. AIBU?

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Childcare101sans · 29/01/2025 08:27

Background (I have friends on here who will guess who I am with this info - please don’t out me!)

-I left my ex husband after I had an emotional affair with a woman
-I am now live with and in a LT relationship with her
-Ex inherited a house 6-7 years ago which we sold and we bought the family home which he lives in and up for sale
-he see’s the kids 2 hours after work twice a week and every other weekend
-when we broke up, because he earns little, I asked for 50% of the house, will count that as him providing for his kids and he doesn’t need to pay maintenance

Ive just found out I have a new job, I have moved up in my career rapidly and will be getting a higher paid banding.

It means I’m less flexible and have to be in the office 9-5 M-F

We currently and have never had childcare on Fridays, so I collect our primary age son from school every Friday and either keep him if it’s my weekend with the kids or drop him to his dads later if it’s his weekend.

Ive asked my ex if he will collect him from school on his Fridays and I will have to somehow figure out my Fridays since I will be starting this new job.

He’s gone mad.
He hasn’t said yes or no.
He’s just said “so I lose out on work and money while you go to work for more money?” (He’s self employed)

I feel like I’m providing for the three kids on a day to day basis and 4 hours less a month for him isn’t that much of a hit.

I live rurally and I’ve been searching for 2 weeks for alternative options.
No after school clubs.
No friends available for that time.
No other childminders or teens of friends that could help. My older kids work/don’t drive unable to help.
Im still trying to find alternatives but failing.

Am I being unreasonable changing the goal posts to benefit the fact that I have a new and better paid job?

OP posts:
peachgreen · 29/01/2025 11:53

The responses on this thread are bonkers. They would be entirely different if you hadn't admitted your emotional affair, OP (on which note, I suspect a lot of the posters on here don't realise that an emotional affair that unfolds as you're coming to terms with your sexuality is a uniquely difficult experience – I imagine it started out as a close friendship and you then realised your feelings were more than friendship etc etc).

Anyway. At this stage, OP, I think you are probably better off going the legal route. You've offered him an exceptionally good deal and he's still making life difficult for you. Ultimately, if it's a family home, in both your names, you would be entitled to at least 50% of it, regardless of where the money came from to purchase it – that's the risk you take when you get married. And if he's not doing 50/50 childcare he would also be required to pay you maintenance, AND be fully responsible for the children on "his" days.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/01/2025 11:53

biscuitsandbooks · 29/01/2025 11:30

I did mention upthread a little that some posts come across as advocating a kind of punishment for recognising your sexuality and not being prepared to live a lie.

Nobody has said OP should have lived a lie 🙄 they're saying that being gay isn't an excuse to have an affair - she could have just ended the marriage amicably first.

And if you read her updates, she says she was on the point of leaving anyway - nothing to do with the affair. My point is that if she had recognised her sexuality the likelihood is that the marriage would have ended anyway - especially if there were other problems, as she’s outlined in her updates.

RareFinch · 29/01/2025 11:53

So this hasn't been finalised yet OP? I think you've agree to something that is unfair on you and your DC out of guilt. Your ex is never going to be easy and he is never going to prioritise the DC. So go back to your solicitor and ask for what you are entitled to. And get a proper CAO written up that means you don't need to facilitate his days. His days are his days to sort.

freddy05 · 29/01/2025 11:52

Childcare101sans · 29/01/2025 11:44

Punishing my ex?!

You do realise that if this goes to court I will be awarded likely more than 50% of the equity AND child maintenance?

Do you think courts do that to punish one of the parties?

No, the courts do this to make sure the children are provided for. Nothing more, nothing by less.

Has the divorce gone through yet? Do you have the court financial order and decree absolute? Are you just waiting for the sale to go through and then everything is clean and divided between you? Was the house the only asset or do you or he have pensions and savings and stuff?

I ask only because I know from experience that until that process is complete, and everyone knows where they stand, changes to childcare arrangements, especially ones that effect when people can work or how much each party is earning, can be much more tense than once the ink is finally dry and everything is sorted.

On you basic point it’s not unreasonable to try and change arrangements for the children to better suit your needs but you do have to be careful how you manage the question and the expectation because you’re not a team anymore and what’s good for you might not be good off him and the other way around.

vivainsomnia · 29/01/2025 11:51

When did you buy the new home and how long after did you separate?

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/01/2025 11:50

Childcare101sans · 29/01/2025 11:32

That’s an interesting view.

The bigger picture… so all the childcare and rent I paid for before since having children, we bought the marital home. Let’s take that into account then.
His lack of getting a decent job all this time and me taking the brunt of it. Let’s take that into account?
Me working full time all these years and still taking time off work when the children are unwell. Shall we take that into account?

Or, my partner paying for his children and him not contributing. Taking that into account?

But no, from your perspective, we should only take into account 6 months of a 25 year long relationship in which I had an emotional affair.

Makes sense 🧐

Yes. Perhaps you’d like to tally up how much more you contributed than him. I am betting it’s a darn sight more than you’re walking off with.

And as for being fair, again, I would go for what you’re entitled to. You’re still financially carrying him and may regret it in a few years time.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/01/2025 11:50

vivainsomnia · 29/01/2025 11:46

Yes I agree, in hindsight this was a mistake
In hindsight, he might think it was a mistake not to charge your partner rent for occupying what is still half his property.

As for what he is entitled to, that's for a judge to decide if you don't agree. You can't unilaterally decide what it would be. Neither your solicitor.

What are you on about ? OP isn’t still living in the marital home, and it’s not his property, it’s joint - they are both on the deeds and the mortgage. If OP was still living there, she wouldn’t legally have to pay rent, don’t be daft. And OP hasn’t said she’s unilaterally decided what she’s entitled to, what she said was that she’s taken legal advice and would be entitled to more than she’s actually taking.

vivainsomnia · 29/01/2025 11:50

I apology, I did get this wrong. It does indeed make a difference that you are paying to live elsewhere.

BobbiJo · 29/01/2025 11:49

Rosscameasdoody · 29/01/2025 11:44

I think under the circumstances OP has stayed longer than most would have to be honest, and probably the affair was the catalyst for leaving - especially if OP has realised her true sexuality in the process. Why should she be forced to live a lie with a man who is only focused on his own self satisfaction and continually shifting responsibility onto OP ?

She shouldn't. That's why there's things called doors.

You can walk out them and close them and never ever go back in.

If a woman is in a relationship she is unhappy in, doing all the childcare, paying all the costs whilst the feckless bloke she's withnlays about doing nothing..
Open door, walk through, close door.

Not staying for years on end, wait for a better option, then leave and think about how to get back at the person you wasted your life with.

Also :

You do realise that if this goes to court I will be awarded likely more than 50% of the equity AND child maintenance?

Unlikely. It would depend onany factors. The courts would look at fairness to both parties and what's in the children's bestninteres... If the children are over 10, they'll even talk to the kids and see what they'd like. Cafcass are wonderful people.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/01/2025 11:48

biscuitsandbooks · 29/01/2025 11:33

You chose to stay and to keep having children @Childcare101sans - let's not pretend you couldn't have left a long time ago.

Leaving isn’t easy. Takes on average over five years to pluck up the courage to actually do it - longer if the partner is abusive. Let’s not pretend it’s the easiest thing in the world to up and leave with three kids, on your own.

Childcare101sans · 29/01/2025 11:47

vivainsomnia · 29/01/2025 11:46

Yes I agree, in hindsight this was a mistake
In hindsight, he might think it was a mistake not to charge your partner rent for occupying what is still half his property.

As for what he is entitled to, that's for a judge to decide if you don't agree. You can't unilaterally decide what it would be. Neither your solicitor.

What?!

You think my partner and I are living in the marital home?!

OP posts:
vivainsomnia · 29/01/2025 11:46

Yes I agree, in hindsight this was a mistake
In hindsight, he might think it was a mistake not to charge your partner rent for occupying what is still half his property.

As for what he is entitled to, that's for a judge to decide if you don't agree. You can't unilaterally decide what it would be. Neither your solicitor.

Childcare101sans · 29/01/2025 11:46

ColourBlueColourPurple · 29/01/2025 11:45

What's fairly clear? That she didn't have an affair? She did, and that's my point. If a marriage is on the rocks for whatever reason, then you try and fix it or you leave. You don't cheat. Unless you're a sneaky person with poor morals.

Edited

I think most people agree that an affair is absolutely not ok.

But factually, this thread is about providing for the children.

OP posts:
biscuitsandbooks · 29/01/2025 11:46

Rosscameasdoody · 29/01/2025 11:44

I think under the circumstances OP has stayed longer than most would have to be honest, and probably the affair was the catalyst for leaving - especially if OP has realised her true sexuality in the process. Why should she be forced to live a lie with a man who is only focused on his own self satisfaction and continually shifting responsibility onto OP ?

Why do you keep going on about her being forced to live a lie? If she felt she was gay she could have just asked for a divorce - absolutely no need for any affairs.

timetobegin · 29/01/2025 11:46

WhatFreshHellisThese · 29/01/2025 09:17

@timetobegin she's been subsidizing him for years by the sound of it. Plus he's not doing his fair share of caring for their children (sounds like he didn't in the past either). He needs to learn to stand on his own 2 feet. Really he should have been picking them up on his day anyway, she's been doing him a favour and she hasn't mentioned he pays her to do if

Well either the split of assets covered his “share” of costs or it didn’t but OP chose to tell us she received a lump sum rather than weekly/monthly payments for the children. Presumably we have to answer on the facts as presented.

I too asked why there wasn’t a 50:50 split in contact

ColourBlueColourPurple · 29/01/2025 11:45

Rosscameasdoody · 29/01/2025 11:41

If you read the OP and the updates I think it’s fairly clear that that’s not the case. Sounds to me like the marriage was headed for the rocks regardless of the affair because her ex wasn’t pulling his weight and put his own job satisfaction ahead of providing for his family. That put the financial burden as well as the care of their children squarely on OP’s shoulders. If one half of the relationship has already checked out then they can’t be surprised when the other half finds what they need elsewhere.

What's fairly clear? That she didn't have an affair? She did, and that's my point. If a marriage is on the rocks for whatever reason, then you try and fix it or you leave. You don't cheat. Unless you're a sneaky person with poor morals.

biscuitsandbooks · 29/01/2025 11:45

BobbiJo · 29/01/2025 11:41

So you're punishing an ex, now that you're in a position where you can. And you're holding past failures you think he made against him, when you could have left.
Instead you stayed until someone turned your head and you felt better had come along..

That’s absolutely how it comes across to me too. If he was that awful, why marry him, have three kids and stay put for 25 years?

It’s like all those men on the relationship boards who try and act like they’ve been miserable for 30 years in an attempt to justify their shit behaviour.

Rosscameasdoody · 29/01/2025 11:44

BobbiJo · 29/01/2025 11:41

So you're punishing an ex, now that you're in a position where you can. And you're holding past failures you think he made against him, when you could have left.
Instead you stayed until someone turned your head and you felt better had come along..

I think under the circumstances OP has stayed longer than most would have to be honest, and probably the affair was the catalyst for leaving - especially if OP has realised her true sexuality in the process. Why should she be forced to live a lie with a man who is only focused on his own self satisfaction and continually shifting responsibility onto OP ?

Childcare101sans · 29/01/2025 11:44

BobbiJo · 29/01/2025 11:41

So you're punishing an ex, now that you're in a position where you can. And you're holding past failures you think he made against him, when you could have left.
Instead you stayed until someone turned your head and you felt better had come along..

Punishing my ex?!

You do realise that if this goes to court I will be awarded likely more than 50% of the equity AND child maintenance?

Do you think courts do that to punish one of the parties?

No, the courts do this to make sure the children are provided for. Nothing more, nothing by less.

OP posts:
Rosscameasdoody · 29/01/2025 11:41

ColourBlueColourPurple · 29/01/2025 11:38

Don't blame the affair and subsequent exit from the marriage due to moving on with your affair partner on being gay. Plenty of gay people have decency and integrity and don't cheat. You had an affair because your morals are lacking.

Edited

If you read the OP and the updates I think it’s fairly clear that that’s not the case. Sounds to me like the marriage was headed for the rocks regardless of the affair because her ex wasn’t pulling his weight and put his own job satisfaction ahead of providing for his family. That put the financial burden as well as the care of their children squarely on OP’s shoulders. If one half of the relationship has already checked out then they can’t be surprised when the other half finds what they need elsewhere.

BobbiJo · 29/01/2025 11:41

Childcare101sans · 29/01/2025 11:32

That’s an interesting view.

The bigger picture… so all the childcare and rent I paid for before since having children, we bought the marital home. Let’s take that into account then.
His lack of getting a decent job all this time and me taking the brunt of it. Let’s take that into account?
Me working full time all these years and still taking time off work when the children are unwell. Shall we take that into account?

Or, my partner paying for his children and him not contributing. Taking that into account?

But no, from your perspective, we should only take into account 6 months of a 25 year long relationship in which I had an emotional affair.

Makes sense 🧐

So you're punishing an ex, now that you're in a position where you can. And you're holding past failures you think he made against him, when you could have left.
Instead you stayed until someone turned your head and you felt better had come along..

ColourBlueColourPurple · 29/01/2025 11:38

Childcare101sans · 29/01/2025 11:08

Anyone?

Don't blame the affair and subsequent exit from the marriage due to moving on with your affair partner on being gay. Plenty of gay people have decency and integrity and don't cheat. You had an affair because your morals are lacking.

biscuitsandbooks · 29/01/2025 11:36

I mean, if it was that bad, why on earth did you spend 25 years with him, marry him and have three of his kids?

Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

biscuitsandbooks · 29/01/2025 11:33

You chose to stay and to keep having children @Childcare101sans - let's not pretend you couldn't have left a long time ago.

Childcare101sans · 29/01/2025 11:32

biscuitsandbooks · 29/01/2025 11:28

@Childcare101sans but being suitably housed could mean that you private rent, or use your own money, or your new partners money - it just seems very callous that you chose to have an affair and then chose to walk off with 200k "in lieu of maintenance" knowing he was a low earner and would never come close to ever paying you that amount.

You ask why people bring up the inheritance and it's because it's all part of a bigger picture. When it comes to emotions you can't just isolate one part of the whole picture - a lot of your ex's current behaviour is likely due to how you behaved all those years ago.

You reap what you sow, as they say.

That’s an interesting view.

The bigger picture… so all the childcare and rent I paid for before since having children, we bought the marital home. Let’s take that into account then.
His lack of getting a decent job all this time and me taking the brunt of it. Let’s take that into account?
Me working full time all these years and still taking time off work when the children are unwell. Shall we take that into account?

Or, my partner paying for his children and him not contributing. Taking that into account?

But no, from your perspective, we should only take into account 6 months of a 25 year long relationship in which I had an emotional affair.

Makes sense 🧐

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