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Will we lose our home ? Should I lose a husband

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Derrygirl09 · 28/01/2025 20:10

Hi everyone 👋
I'll try and keep this short , we bought our first house 3 years ago , since then , me and my husband had a separation of 9 months , things had been bad tbh and I never would have bought a home with him but we found ourselves in need of somewhere new to live and had the means to buy a home , anyway , we decided to work through our issues and things have been going well since Christmas... Today I found letters he has hidden from me from land and property and turns out he has never paid the rates , like ever 🥺, we agreed that he would be responsible for them and he's told me numerous times they were paid for , we now owe 1000s and we honestly don't have the money., he's ignored the last letter that would have given him the option to pay off in installments, he's been working overtime every weekend for 5 months and I also buy all food , all school meals , all kids clothes ect I worked out he should have few hundred left at the end of the month after the bills he pays NOT Inc overtime ,and now he tells me NOW he tells me he couldn't afford it 😡 have I a right to be livid , and what will happen to the home now ? Is this unforgivable to you ?

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Derrygirl09 · 29/01/2025 17:48

Derrygirl09 · 29/01/2025 17:47

I sat and worked out the finances , he can afford the rates and mortgage, yes the plumber just last thing the house needed, that was just example ... I don't think people are getting it , I haven't went wildly spending money I didn't have , I worked it out , he could afford it , he works one job not 2 , he does overtime .. I haven't been irresponsible with money , I've only ever bought what I thought we could afford , sorry but how's it my fault hes lied for 3 years and told me a bill was paid , yes clubs and swimming ect , things the kids need , that's the issue as far as I was concerned we weren't struggling, yes he says he can't go watch football or whatever because he's skint , which I've always put down to him being tight , which he is 🤷 I asked was bills paid he said yes , so why would I not buy a kitchen and put kids into clubs when that's from my account and Im affording it , what am I supposed to do , i can't do any work to new house or stop kids clubs just incase he's lying about a bill being pay when I've worked out he can more than afford it 🙈

Also were did I say I can't afford to pay the bills ? Never been in debt in my life and I could have covered the rates as well , I was told they were taking care of , he earns more than me why would I think the man Im married too woudlnt be paying a bill he said he was 🙈 no I can't afford a mortgage and everything eles on my own but I didn't buy a house on my own I'm married , no married person says o I can't single hardly afford this house so I won't buy it , it was a joint decision, all he had to take care of was 3 bills , yes I do everything eles , and everything else is taking care off why should the kids not go to the clubs and activities because he can't pay a bill he can afford with a few 100 spare before overtime 🤷 he's a full grown man why should kids suffer for that they are actually his kids too

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Derrygirl09 · 29/01/2025 17:47

AquaPeer · 29/01/2025 12:39

This is what I’ve been thinking. I’m sorry to be harsh OP but stand away and look at the whole family dynamic :

your H is working 2 jobs and overtime to pay for mortgage rates and his costs, I can’t recall if you work but your money is going on clubs, the electric, holidays, “the plumber”? Your children are horse riding, football etc and you’re pulled every which way delivering them back and forth to clubs?!

this isn’t working from either of you. If he’s having to lend money to his Mum as well as pay for a mortgage alone, he must be under an immense amount of pressure- as are you. But your lifestyles seeem well out of whack.

you’ve said you can’t afford to live alone- it says it all really. You need him to meet housing costs.
There just isn’t enough money for the lives you’re leading. you’re furious at him for not paying bills you’re jointly responsible for, but you are not able to pay either.

I assume, like GB, rates are a significant but small amount of money each month- they are really the worst thing to avoid paying. You can’t find any evidence of wrong doing yet you’ll be in jail for harming him if he’s cheating?!

its all mad OP. You need to start taking responsibility for yourself. Forget controlling the finances etc… take some time to really think about the situation. What is going on here? I don’t think it’s as simple as presented

I sat and worked out the finances , he can afford the rates and mortgage, yes the plumber just last thing the house needed, that was just example ... I don't think people are getting it , I haven't went wildly spending money I didn't have , I worked it out , he could afford it , he works one job not 2 , he does overtime .. I haven't been irresponsible with money , I've only ever bought what I thought we could afford , sorry but how's it my fault hes lied for 3 years and told me a bill was paid , yes clubs and swimming ect , things the kids need , that's the issue as far as I was concerned we weren't struggling, yes he says he can't go watch football or whatever because he's skint , which I've always put down to him being tight , which he is 🤷 I asked was bills paid he said yes , so why would I not buy a kitchen and put kids into clubs when that's from my account and Im affording it , what am I supposed to do , i can't do any work to new house or stop kids clubs just incase he's lying about a bill being pay when I've worked out he can more than afford it 🙈

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Abitofalark · 29/01/2025 17:05

Derrygirl09 · 28/01/2025 21:08

Can someone tell me how to reply individually lol maybe I'm stupid 🤷 we just both agreed no joint accounts because in his words he's bad with money , I'm aware it's my home and safety but why should I be responsible for absolutely everything, they are his kids too he had 2 jobs I asked had he set up direct debits and he said yeah all done , I didn't think I needed to worry on top of being responsible for absolutely everything eles it's a direct debit you set it up and that's it 🤷 tbh i'm responsible for absolutely everything eles I've bills coming out my ears 🙈 I've worked out the money , he should be able to afford it with few 100 spare before overtime

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DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 29/01/2025 16:41

It hasn't all been left to him.
OP pays for all the bills, food and expenses except for the Mortgage and the Rates. That is the only thing he was asked to do.
She didn't expect that he would pretend to pay, but in reality be building up arrears in secret.
Secrecy has denied OP the chance to adjust her household/child spending or do something to stop the arrears building up because he told her those parts of her bills were taken care of.

Also. the OP is also in paid work. That's how she covers all the other expenses.

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This feels like you're blaming the OP. This is ludicrous. He is a grown man who agreed to take care of something and then lied and said he had.

OnYerselfHen · 29/01/2025 13:43

this may sound silly but is he definitely working? He's not pretending to go to work but actually he's just leaving the house for hours but doing nothing?

Im so sorry OP, this sounds like a nightmare. I do agree with a PP who suggested paying a small fee to see who owns his parent's house - that might give you some answers.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/01/2025 13:23

Is he hiding an addiction? Gambling? Drugs?
Sorry haven't rtft.

OpenFox · 29/01/2025 12:42

Derrygirl09 · 28/01/2025 21:25

He woudlnt do this tbh we e had this argument before , everytime he says he's skint I ask how could you be I worked out you get X y and z and you pay x y and z ... It normally ends in mind your own business it's my money

But it's NOT his money. It's family money and you work as a team. That's the whole point of being a couple. He is failing the family and putting you in debt because he is not being a team player.

The fact that he sees it all as his money speaks volumes about what he thinks about your relationship.

Finances are part of relationships. If he can't be open and honest with you and let you help him, then why are you together? What's the point?

Either he is part of a couple and will let you help sort out the finances and go through his finances with him, or he is hiding something!

Just to add, my DH wasn't the greatest with money, so I did a spreadsheet, showed him our take home pay, how much essentials (gas, elec, water, mortgage, council tax etc...) were, then how much kids stuff comes to, and then we agreed an amount we each transfer to our joint account. As you don't have or want a joint account then your partner needs to transfer an amount to you.

AquaPeer · 29/01/2025 12:39

Taigabread · 29/01/2025 07:26

It sounds like you have both spent money you didn't have with things like a new kitchen, new sofas and big spends in argos.
When you first buy a house it's expensive and it used to be the norm to make do for a few years with perhaps a dated kitchen, second sofas gifted from a family member etc.
If money wasn't easy why did you run up a load of debt?
Very few houses are sold with a kitchen that literally is not liveable - because it makes the house unmortgageable. However bad it was you probably could have managed with it for a while instead of building up debt

This is what I’ve been thinking. I’m sorry to be harsh OP but stand away and look at the whole family dynamic :

your H is working 2 jobs and overtime to pay for mortgage rates and his costs, I can’t recall if you work but your money is going on clubs, the electric, holidays, “the plumber”? Your children are horse riding, football etc and you’re pulled every which way delivering them back and forth to clubs?!

this isn’t working from either of you. If he’s having to lend money to his Mum as well as pay for a mortgage alone, he must be under an immense amount of pressure- as are you. But your lifestyles seeem well out of whack.

you’ve said you can’t afford to live alone- it says it all really. You need him to meet housing costs.
There just isn’t enough money for the lives you’re leading. you’re furious at him for not paying bills you’re jointly responsible for, but you are not able to pay either.

I assume, like GB, rates are a significant but small amount of money each month- they are really the worst thing to avoid paying. You can’t find any evidence of wrong doing yet you’ll be in jail for harming him if he’s cheating?!

its all mad OP. You need to start taking responsibility for yourself. Forget controlling the finances etc… take some time to really think about the situation. What is going on here? I don’t think it’s as simple as presented

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 29/01/2025 12:39

Derrygirl09 · 28/01/2025 23:07

He got a credit card last year so it must be ok ,

I agree with |@Lavender14 's advice about contacting Citizen's advice.

You've got so much to sort out.. but you don't have to do everything at once. Sort the priorities first. For eg
Don't let this derail your promotion. It's upsetting but as many have said, the rates arrears can be dealt with. The promotion will give you so much room for manoeuver.
I'd play your cards really close to your chest with DH, until you've made your various decisions based on research and facts.

Information from Citizen's Advice and or a debt charity re any arrears. Ask about financial planning (what you could be entitled to) and how to protect yourself financially, given the current situation. Advice about best approach to the council to work out a repayment plan As you've said its £2k that's big but not completely unwieldy. It's in their interests for it to be manageable.

Your DH said he had to be at the Council phone call.(My first thought was I bet he does!!) ..
but maybe contact them first yourself for info so you have time to think about it, if the debt people advise this.

He's saying he wants to take part in the conversation - but he's not sharing information. This will either be a good chance to get some more info from him, or for him to spin some flannel to them or to stop you from telling them too much?

The relationship stuff, a potential move, change of schools etc other debt discovery.. are further down the line. This can be put to one side for a bit until you've worked your way through, hopefully with landing the promotion you've been working for.

You mentioned he collects the post before you get home. Any way to make sure you get to see this stuff? Can you ask any accounts with your name on to also come through to your own email as well? Lots to sort, but one step at a time, good luck with the work stuff.

Derrygirl09 · 29/01/2025 12:29

HappyToSmile · 29/01/2025 12:05

Call up and sort a payment plan, that's the easy part.
Going forward, do you Want to be with this man? Not because you can't afford not to be with him or because of the life you/kids have. Do you actually want to stay with him? Because the responses will be different depending what you decide

No that's why I ended things for 9 months , I physically couldn't find anywhere to live , so I just accepted my fate so to speak

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HappyToSmile · 29/01/2025 12:05

Call up and sort a payment plan, that's the easy part.
Going forward, do you Want to be with this man? Not because you can't afford not to be with him or because of the life you/kids have. Do you actually want to stay with him? Because the responses will be different depending what you decide

SquishyGloopyBum · 29/01/2025 08:58

You can check on the land registry if he owns his mums house for a small fee.

Yalta · 29/01/2025 08:47

Derrygirl09 · 28/01/2025 23:19

Unfortunately you can't force someone to do that nor force him out of the home I've tried 🤣

Well he is going to have to leave when the house is sold and he finds himself divorced

Derrygirl09 · 29/01/2025 08:25

Taigabread · 29/01/2025 07:26

It sounds like you have both spent money you didn't have with things like a new kitchen, new sofas and big spends in argos.
When you first buy a house it's expensive and it used to be the norm to make do for a few years with perhaps a dated kitchen, second sofas gifted from a family member etc.
If money wasn't easy why did you run up a load of debt?
Very few houses are sold with a kitchen that literally is not liveable - because it makes the house unmortgageable. However bad it was you probably could have managed with it for a while instead of building up debt

Im doing fine paying off everything lol I only thought we had the money because he was in charge of rates and mortgage, I worked it out before of course there should be a few hundred left for him after bills are paid BEFORE overtime , I'm not the sort to just buy kitchens and sofas without going through my finances to see if it's affordable, that's the thing ..it is 🤷 and that's me responsible for that it's nothing to do with him all he has to do is pay mortgage and rates and his wage before overtime is more than enough, it's never been a we can't afford it issue or so I thought

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Taigabread · 29/01/2025 07:26

Derrygirl09 · 28/01/2025 20:56

Hi I'm new to this so don't know how to reply individually, im in Derry , what I pay is more than what he's responsible for , he earns more than me without the extra overtime money , hes always worked hard and always been skint apparently, never understood were money goes , it's been left to him because that's what we decided, i thought it was easier for him to pay mortgage and rates and I'd take care of monthly club costs for kids , any holidays , school meals , uniforms , Christmas , food , electric, TV licence ect he's bad with money so I just told him to set up direct debits , I don't think that is it being left up to him he had 2 jobs , mortgage and insurance, rates , I pay off the kitchen , I pay off Argos card , I pay off the sofa , I paid the plumber ect ect ect ! Yes the mortgage is paid , he's also quite bit older than me and just said he wanted to be responsible for that .. I let him because tbh that's much easier than what I pay , I've constantly have money for clubs and swimming and electric and food every week, we've never had a joint bank account, like I said he's bad with money so I thankfully made the right decision to keep our bank accounts separate,believe me I got the short straw, but it's not even he's paying more or I am tbh it's not saying anything about it that's the real issue , I would have cut back to make the rates as much as I could have ,I would have sorted it tbh like I always do 😡

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It sounds like you have both spent money you didn't have with things like a new kitchen, new sofas and big spends in argos.
When you first buy a house it's expensive and it used to be the norm to make do for a few years with perhaps a dated kitchen, second sofas gifted from a family member etc.
If money wasn't easy why did you run up a load of debt?
Very few houses are sold with a kitchen that literally is not liveable - because it makes the house unmortgageable. However bad it was you probably could have managed with it for a while instead of building up debt

ThatAgileLimeCat · 29/01/2025 07:01

He is very clearly lying about something and ,while my first thoughts were debts, gambling, drugs, affair, your updates make me think they money is going to his family. If it's via a mortgage then it will show on credit report. If he owns other houses then make sure the solicitor knows this as that will be factored into the settlement.
I'm sorry.x It does look like you are being financially abused. He earns more than you, contributes less than you,does not support the children, and funnels his money elsewhere. He won't change.

DorothyStorm · 29/01/2025 06:05

Derrygirl09 · 28/01/2025 23:19

Unfortunately you can't force someone to do that nor force him out of the home I've tried 🤣

He is a very selfish man doing all this harm to his family and not even caring about it.!

Tahlbias · 28/01/2025 23:50

I would be furious with him! 🤬

Joy69 · 28/01/2025 23:30

Please do not set up a joint account with him. You will have joint liability, which means if he takes out loans, overdrafts etc you will be liable for them. Also to come of it if it goes wrong is a nightmare.
I think there's probably a lot more going on than you realise. I really hope you get sorted out. It sounds like you will be fine on your own - probably better off. I'm on a low wage, but actually managed to save a little bit when my exh left because I was in control of the finances.
Good luck 💐

Derrygirl09 · 28/01/2025 23:19

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 28/01/2025 23:16

TbH he wouldn't have his own account because he clearly can't be trusted. Joint account and his salary paid into this so you can see where money goes. If not, he can leave.

Unfortunately you can't force someone to do that nor force him out of the home I've tried 🤣

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Derrygirl09 · 28/01/2025 23:18

LostTheMarble · 28/01/2025 23:15

Exactly the same thing happened with my ex. Several times. First time swore it was a mismanagement, managed to cover it but we’d both recently been made redundant and that was almost of our emergency funds gone. Happened again, lucky was in a better position to sort it. The third time (yes, I bloody know) I lost my shit completely. Called them and sorted a payment plan, had the next few future payments come from my account (until I moved out and into my own place).

The first couple of times were almost excusable, thinking the money was needed elsewhere as a priority, then absolutely convinced me there had been a mixup in setting up a DD when moving. By the last time realised he was just shit with money and life management in general (whole other story). Thing is, he’s now earning more than ever, has very low day to day living costs, and I know for a fact he’s done it again. There is no helping some people - you’re better out than them dragging you down with them.

Sorry to hear that , it's like a punch to the gut isn't it , I'm a natural big worrier too so the thought he could just lie for years disgusts me , I don't think there's any going back , I'm so disgusted, came to pick out bathroom and a kitchen with me knowing he never once paid the rates , not once from the day we moved in

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ByQuaintAzureWasp · 28/01/2025 23:16

Derrygirl09 · 28/01/2025 21:25

He woudlnt do this tbh we e had this argument before , everytime he says he's skint I ask how could you be I worked out you get X y and z and you pay x y and z ... It normally ends in mind your own business it's my money

TbH he wouldn't have his own account because he clearly can't be trusted. Joint account and his salary paid into this so you can see where money goes. If not, he can leave.

LostTheMarble · 28/01/2025 23:15

Exactly the same thing happened with my ex. Several times. First time swore it was a mismanagement, managed to cover it but we’d both recently been made redundant and that was almost of our emergency funds gone. Happened again, lucky was in a better position to sort it. The third time (yes, I bloody know) I lost my shit completely. Called them and sorted a payment plan, had the next few future payments come from my account (until I moved out and into my own place).

The first couple of times were almost excusable, thinking the money was needed elsewhere as a priority, then absolutely convinced me there had been a mixup in setting up a DD when moving. By the last time realised he was just shit with money and life management in general (whole other story). Thing is, he’s now earning more than ever, has very low day to day living costs, and I know for a fact he’s done it again. There is no helping some people - you’re better out than them dragging you down with them.

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