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To think, get rid of the driving restrictions, make parking easier and watch Oxford Street flourish 🤷‍♀️

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mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 16:44

Just that really

https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/28/oxford-street-suffers-fatal-blow-multiple-retailers-announce-leaving-22447406/

How many shops are closing in Westfield, both branches? Londoners want to drive.

Oxford Street suffers killer blow after multiple retailers say they're leaving

https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/28/oxford-street-suffers-fatal-blow-multiple-retailers-announce-leaving-22447406

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VoodooRajin · 28/01/2025 21:56

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 21:47

That's fine, I will do that when i have a bit more to spend - the only thing is the long walk up and down but will at least try it with dd

Cities have to evolve, private car ownership in london is falling

JustHoldOnOneMinute · 28/01/2025 21:55

I have owned a car in London for 22 years and it has never, ever occurred to me to try to or to want to drive to Oxford Street.

Are you also proposing to get rid of the congestion charge and ULEZ as well as magic up non-existent parking spaces and not charge for them?

I am not au fait with disability provision but prepared to be educated in that regard. Other than that, I think your proposal, even if possible, would make Oxford Street worse not better. I think a well-done pedestrianisation scheme could make a huge difference though. It is not very relaxing to walk down at the moment, too crowded. I might be tempted to go there more often if I could stroll a bit more and grab a coffee and watch the world go by.

I would personally be extremely sad about anything that encouraged more cars onto London roads as would I imagine anyone who values clean air. e.g. there are estimated to be 600,000 asthmatics in London.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 21:47

Plaided · 28/01/2025 21:33

I still don’t understand why you just don’t go on a Sunday? Loads of free parking on the streets.

That's fine, I will do that when i have a bit more to spend - the only thing is the long walk up and down but will at least try it with dd

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mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 21:46

Alaimo · 28/01/2025 21:44

You can keep repeating that all you want, but that doesn't make it any more true though, as is clear from the poll.

I was just making it clear as I recieved responses questioning my op

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0gfhty · 28/01/2025 21:45

Things that put me off Oxford Street are; Extremely loud religious preachers, Extremely loud gatherings of rip off 3 wheeler tuk tuks (which most tourists know are a rip off because they've appeared in virtually all tourist cities worldwide), lack of interesting food outlets, American candy shops, lack of interesting small shops. The only thing that makes is more pleasant now is the fact that it's less congested with cars. It would be awful if there was a permanent traffic jam with private cars and the smell a choking on traffic fumes whilst browsing would be more off putting

Alaimo · 28/01/2025 21:44

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 19:49

Pedestrianising wouldn't improve things imo. Allow cars to come in from the surrounding areas, work with local councils to make parking cheaper and more plentiful and watch things improve, albeit slowly

You can keep repeating that all you want, but that doesn't make it any more true though, as is clear from the poll.

SpanThatWorld · 28/01/2025 21:38

Needmorelego · 28/01/2025 19:13

@mumofoneAlonebutokay Oxford Street isn't really up-market though? Is it?
Was it ever?
Obviously Selfridges was aimed at the more "well off" crowd.
As a child (80s) I remember going there and going to C+A and BHS.
As a teen (90s) I went there for places like Top Shop.
In my 20s (00s) it was for HMV and Borders Bookshop.

C&A widely known as Cheap and Awful (or Coats and 'Ats)

So upmarket.

My mum and I once looked at a coat in Dickens & Jones. It was a bit tight and I asked if they had a 14.
"Oh, you won't find a 14. Not in London."
Oh how we laughed.

Plaided · 28/01/2025 21:33

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 21:15

Oh okay, well over half of households is still a lot of people

I still don’t understand why you just don’t go on a Sunday? Loads of free parking on the streets.

EmmaMaria · 28/01/2025 21:26

People like shopping but they don't want to travel

Presumably they are also fond of breathing, something that isn't facilitated by increasing traffic.

Maddy70 · 28/01/2025 21:18

No. Congestion is what puts me off driving into cities London has a fantastic public transport system

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 21:15

MikeRafone · 28/01/2025 21:14

Over half of londoners is a lot of londoners tbf

households, not people

4 people in a household might have access to 1 car

Oh okay, well over half of households is still a lot of people

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MikeRafone · 28/01/2025 21:14

Over half of londoners is a lot of londoners tbf

households, not people

4 people in a household might have access to 1 car

Plaided · 28/01/2025 21:08

Go on a Sunday. Free parking on all the side roads, I’ve never not got a space. You’d still have to pay congestion charge though so it’s still expensive.

there are lots of blue badge provisions too, I’m surprised you’ve found it difficult as my neighbour always drives in. Four hours parking and you can park almost anywhere.

For most people public transport is easier. Pollution is horrendous, why would we want to make it worse. It takes me 20 mins on public transport or an hour to drive.

justasmalltownmum · 28/01/2025 20:56

We don't need more cars in London. It's already congested.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 20:54

MikeRafone · 28/01/2025 20:49

46 % of households in lower noon don’t have access to a car, that leaves just over half with access to a car - that’s not “ lots” of Londoners

it’s quicker to cycle across London- top gear proved that 16 years ago n

driving in cities is just bonkers unless you have to

e en trades people have moved away from vans where they can

Over half of londoners is a lot of londoners tbf

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MikeRafone · 28/01/2025 20:49

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 17:08

There are loads of londoners with cars, who want to drive into London, they may not be the majority but they're a big and important 'minority'

Lots of the new developments that go up come with underground parking, it's not a very out there thought

There should be other incentives to get people into London, and that includes being able to drive and park relatively nearby/access the street with ease

People like shopping but they don't want to travel, hence Westfield is still going

Oxford street needs to adapt, it's so sad to see it dying

46 % of households in lower noon don’t have access to a car, that leaves just over half with access to a car - that’s not “ lots” of Londoners

it’s quicker to cycle across London- top gear proved that 16 years ago n

driving in cities is just bonkers unless you have to

e en trades people have moved away from vans where they can

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WasteOfPaint · 28/01/2025 20:49

I lived in East London until recently, with a car, and literally never found that I wanted to drive to Oxford St. The congestion charge would have been off-putting but also it would just be much easier by public transport. I'm just not sure this 'demand' is really a thing.

HelloPossible · 28/01/2025 20:44

QueenofFox · 28/01/2025 20:25

Lived in London my whole
life (nearly 50 years), I'd never drive to Oxford st even without restrictions, it would never be quicker than the tube and I live zone 3. You can drive to Westfield easily already.

Oxford st has always been for teenagers. Real shoppers go to soho and still do.

I lived a few minutes from soho and I don’t think I have ever done any serious shopping in Soho apart from alcohol. Where are the serious shops?

HobnobsChoice · 28/01/2025 20:42

NCP will have either paid huge amounts of money for the land for the car park or have leased it also for huge amounts of money. They won't be giving away free parking on Saturday afternoons or even cheaper parking beyond blue badge rates. If nobody paid their rates the car park would be empty and it's not.

Are you suggesting on street parking on/around Oxford Street?. That's the only way someone with difficulty walking distances would be able to get from shops at one end to the other. Park in a bay, go in Shop A. Leave get in car drive down to another Bay park go in shop and leave again. Repeat as necessary. Is there a huge demand to go to John Lewis followed by Matalan and Boots on Oxford Street? Are people longing to browse the Nespresso store then check out if it's cheaper at Currys or Selfridges. People do it online now. I literally cannot think of why I'd specifically chose Oxford Street now over either shopping online or going to a smaller local branch of the chains they have.

It's already difficult to manage traffic Vs humans just with buses and taxis driven by people professionally who risk losing their jobs if they drive aggressively etc. Add in impatient people in private cars and you'd see accidents rocket. Plus the pollution levels would climb again while most people are in non EVs.
That's one of the reasons people often go to shopping centres/malls. No traffic going through the middle of it so it's easier to get around. Even malls are struggling and are no longer just retail but adding in experiences like bowling or escape rooms etc. Adding parking spaces to Oxford Street isn't going to change the way things look for high street retail

DonnatellaLyman · 28/01/2025 20:35

This is the most insane take I’ve seen about London on here.

All the places that have been done up nicely and people now want to visit over the last 30y are because they’re pedestrianised. Look at granary square/coal drop’s yard, Covent Garden, south bank, the strand, Trafalgar Square (north side)…..

Oxford street is a shit hole that takes ages to walk anywhere because pedestrians are crammed in either side and it takes forever to cross any side street. It could be incredible with places to sit and more food outlets/interesting street food. That, and decent flagships of high street brands would bring people in. Cars ruin cities.

WhistPie · 28/01/2025 20:29

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 20:00

I didn't grow up wealthy, apologies everyone 😄😄

It's not upmarket but its definitely flagship retail stores rather than shops selling tat and things you can buy on the market, is what I meant

The Tottenham Court Road end is, and certainly has been for the last 30 years, full of small shops selling tourist tat

QueenofFox · 28/01/2025 20:25

Lived in London my whole
life (nearly 50 years), I'd never drive to Oxford st even without restrictions, it would never be quicker than the tube and I live zone 3. You can drive to Westfield easily already.

Oxford st has always been for teenagers. Real shoppers go to soho and still do.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 20:22

TunnocksOrDeath · 28/01/2025 20:14

Are you really a Londoner? There's a mahoosive NCP on Park Lane at the West End of Oxford St and numerous smaller car parks nearby, that you can pre-book on line to ensure a space, but most Londoners I know would rather eat a porcupine than drive across that part of town during the day, anyway, so its a bit moot.
Qualifying disabled Londoners can use Dial-a-Ride, and there's a lot of public transport into that part of town, including some step-free access via tube (admittedly not on all lines).
Honestly the main reason for the flight from Oxford Street and the surrounding area is that retail property and Business Rates are almost prohibitively expensive, which makes it difficult to justify keeping a branch open there. Up until the recent changes, John Lewis was paying £16.5 million a year, just in business rates, never mind rent, staff, security and cost of stock. That reduced to ~ £6.5 million rates per year in 2023., which is still a lot.

I am a londoner and I don't qualify for dial a ride 😄 - i called once and they pretty much told me not to bother. Most disabled londoners who hold a blue badge don't qualify for dial a ride, I know that for sure

I didn't know that the car park was on Oxford street as have always taken the train in but have seen the website and it's £10 and hour plus the long walk down Oxford street 🥺

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mumofoneAlonebutokay · 28/01/2025 20:16

StrawberrySquash · 28/01/2025 20:07

Oxford Street makes me sad, it's declined so much. I think another thing that's made it worse is the loss of the Routemaster/conductors on the new Boris buses. You used to be able to hop on and off to move between shops, but you can't do that any more. It's one place in London that really needs them. I often want to get to a shop at the other end and walking takes ages, but by the time you've reached the bus stop you're half way there/ have missed the bus.

Hard agree here, this would be great but tfl would see it as a cash loss

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TunnocksOrDeath · 28/01/2025 20:14

Are you really a Londoner? There's a mahoosive NCP on Park Lane at the West End of Oxford St and numerous smaller car parks nearby, that you can pre-book on line to ensure a space, but most Londoners I know would rather eat a porcupine than drive across that part of town during the day, anyway, so its a bit moot.
Qualifying disabled Londoners can use Dial-a-Ride, and there's a lot of public transport into that part of town, including some step-free access via tube (admittedly not on all lines).
Honestly the main reason for the flight from Oxford Street and the surrounding area is that retail property and Business Rates are almost prohibitively expensive, which makes it difficult to justify keeping a branch open there. Up until the recent changes, John Lewis was paying £16.5 million a year, just in business rates, never mind rent, staff, security and cost of stock. That reduced to ~ £6.5 million rates per year in 2023., which is still a lot.