What's your thoughts on asylum seekers?

Yeah, I don’t think it’s my comprehension that’s the issue here 😂

Yes, self sufficient British pensioners moving to Spain are absolutely net contributors on a financial basis.

The British consul in Alicante has stated the figures for the Alicante province alone amount to €1.32 billion a year. Over 25% of all British expats live in that area).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephenpope/2019/03/02/spain-shows-sense-in-dealing-with-british-expatriates/

It’s usually middle class Brits who find these working class British expats so culturally objectionable - perhaps you should examine your own snobbery. With regards to ‘not learning the language’, these are 70+ year olds who moved there to enjoy their retirement, not to work or raise families. They’re only going to be there 1-2 decades tops - and post-Brexit, there aren’t going to be many more of them.

But it’s ok for Brits to go abroad and put similar pressures on other countries housing stock and GP surgeries?

The vast, vast majority of immigration is through visa schemes where certain skills have been identified as lacking in the indigenous population. Before we can stop immigration we need to address the skills shortage (and laziness, tbf).

If you want some non-biased facts about the contribution of immigrants, this is a good resource.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

“a study by Oxford Economics (2018) estimated that the average non-EEA migrant in FY 2016-17 presented a net fiscal cost of £1,700, using the static approach. However, it also estimated that the average non-EEA migrant arriving in 2016 would make a small positive net fiscal contribution over the course of their lifetime (of £28,000, net present value), using the dynamic approach. Similarly, dynamic projections from OBR (2024) suggested that a migrant worker who moved to the UK at age 25 and earned the UK average earnings (which is similar to migrants’ average earnings) until retirement would contribute £341,000 to public finances if they lived until age 80.“

Goodness knows there are enough reasons to leave

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05l9y56773o

I do agree that migration figures overall are a big big problem now. We're going to hit 72 million in a few years. The only way to do that realistically is massive explansion of cities and towns, and huge upgrades to infrastructure, but in reality we're barely keeping pace.
It's going to be miserable.

And??? That was in relation to asylum seekers and the fact the Uk is smaller in comparison to other countries. We do need to close the borders. That still may not stop me from wanting to leave.
Me wanting to leave may be something entirely differently. Read again!!! Ffs! 🤦‍♀️

Which demonstrates massive ignorance about many of these countries. It’s not clear cut with a national army (to join) and an invader (to fight). Plus conscientious objectors have always existed.

This isn’t just about asylum seekers. It’s about all immigrants. Net migration equivalent to the populations of Cardiff and Nottingham combined, every single year, is absolutely causing overcrowding and rising housing costs.

We’re not building enough homes for the people we already have. How on earth can we keep up with that rate of population increase?

I don't know. Maybe it refers to the assumption that they come from countries at war, and they could stay there and fight for their country / community / family

so you are comparing educated Brits moving to very expensive European countries from one of the wealthiest countries in the world to people fleeing wars?

Doesn’t seem like the most fair comparison, does it?

What about stupid Brits who move to Spain, driving up house prices so the locals can’t buy them, refusing to learn the language and creating little England enclaves?

Do you think they are net contributors?

Or do you think they make the locals wish they could up sticks and emigrate?

You’re sticking to the standard defences, I see.

The Daily Mail is simply reporting on the outcomes of a Dutch academic study, using graphs taken directly from that study. It makes no difference which media organisation is reporting it.

If you’d rather have the data from the horse’s mouth, here you go:
https://docs.iza.org/dp17569.pdf

Secondly, re your point - ‘not all Brits are net contributors.’ I’m extremely surprised that you don’t seem to understand the concept of averages. Even including any British emigrants who aren’t net contributors, the average lifetime of a UK expat is still in the hundreds of thousands of euros. That means that many will be contributing far more than that, more than making up for the few who aren’t.

And the Dutch data shows that it doesn’t matter whether these people are asylum seekers - even if they come to the country legally, they are still, on average, net drains on the generous Dutch welfare state.

They are also disproportionately criminal, at a rate which - troublingly - increases in the second generation, as is clearly demonstrated by Danish data.

Again. Asylum seekers make up 7% of immigration. They aren’t causing any perceived overcrowding.

You literally posted about the UK being too small and us needing to close the borders and it was all so shit you’d happily leave.

If you didn’t mean to blame the immigrants for your perceived issues, that was a very strange juxtaposition of thoughts.

There’s literally nothing funny about this at all - it’s completely accurate. British emigrants are highly skilled and high earners who make massive net contributions to their destination countries (in the region of +€200,000 over their lifetimes).

The vast majority of asylum seekers and other immigrants from poorer countries (e.g. Lebanon, Syria, Iraq) are net drains over the course of their lifetimes - taking up to €300,000 more than they contribute, as data from the Netherlands and Denmark clearly shows. And more troublingly, there is a hangover effect into subsequent generations, who are still not as productive as native Danes and Dutch and likely to be net drains.

All immigrants are not created equal, and people like you pretending that there’s no difference between a highly skilled, super high earning finance professional moving from London to Amsterdam, and asylum seekers from poor and unstable countries, are being incredibly dishonest.

As we’ve established, asylum seekers are less than 7% of the immigrants here, so aren’t making much (if any) difference to the pressures on infrastructure that are making the PP leave the country.

Not all Brit emigrants are net beneficiaries to their new country.

The Daily Mail is not a reliable source of anything except that the person reading it is either thick, a bigot or some fun combination of the two.

That pretty much covers that.

I didn’t say that was the reason I would happily leave. Massive LOLz 😂😂 ffs!

British emigrants are net contributors to their destination countries - take a look at the stats coming out of the Netherlands and Denmark, pretty much the only countries that actually publish data on whether immigrants from different countries of origin are net contributors or net drains.

Brits are top performers in both cases.

The sort of countries that most asylum seekers and other immigrants to the UK are coming from are not.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14259337/map-immigrants-contribute-economy-dutch-study.html

Genuinely made me snort with laughter. Amazing work. 😂

Massive LOLZ yes I do

Massive LOLZ at you seeing emigration as the solution to the country you’re in not being good enough for you because of all the immigrants.

Yes all this is spot on. I would also leave too if it was possible, which sadly it isn’t at least for time being. Really worry about my children’s futures in the UK.

I think the world and half of the Uk forget how small we are as a country.
The whole of the Uk can fit into Australia 32 times. Uk has a bigger population.
France is twice the size. Smaller population.
Even Italy is bigger in size with a smaller population!
Our green belt is diminishing due to being built on due to ever growing housing crisis. NHS is crumbling.
People are registering at a GP surgeries before they even get to the Uk these days by using family members addresses here so they then can come and go as they please whenever they need surgery.
It’s nothing to do with racism but unless they can build an extension onto the Uk, it’s only going to get worse until we close the borders.
on the positive side, it will continue to get so bad no one will want to come.
I would happily leave now if I could.

No, refugees have the same priority as anyone else regarding housing. They are housed by the government as asylum seekers but once they are given refugee status, they can work and rent like everyone else.

I don't have children but my taxes go towards schools, nurseries, free school meals and playgrounds. I love working to pay for other people's children, especially those of narrow minded bigots.

So the majority then? What’s the significance of it supposed to be?

Like my own DH so. He’s a fighting age male… of course nobody would ever describe him like this.

this language is fear based and used to demonise people.