What's your thoughts on asylum seekers?

Can we afford the infrastructure that needs to match the numbers?

If the population keeps increasing past 70m (how high?) then where is the funding coming from

Lol

Why don’t they do it? I’m assuming the economy needs the numbers but the infrastructure doesn’t match the people entering. And poor planning did not plan for this mismatch.

Yes pretty much this in a nutshell, I think.

I've asked several times if anyone would support a numerical cap and got no response. Not even an optimistically high cap that at least could be debated.

No I don’t think you can cap a number of asylum seekers basically. The fairest thing you can do without wider cooperation is coordinate with the EU and take a fair % share . Taking those seeking asylum is a humanitarian response and ultimately it’s based on what’s happening in the world. It’s not based on what a country can gain. It’s underlined by principles of humanity.

Other immigration is completely different and could be controlled as much as a country wants to control it. It seems to me like immigrants are coming in doing jobs that need to be done and this suits the government otherwise they could just change the skilled worker visas or the criteria for students.

So yes of course you could say let’s just have X amount of number of immigrants under these programmes. Why don’t they do it? I’m assuming the economy needs the numbers but the infrastructure doesn’t match the people entering. And poor planning did not plan for this mismatch.

I don't think numbers can just keep going up year on year so where do we start to slow down on that?

Otherwise posters who do want this what's the population peak, is there one?

I also think lack of control plus trafficking is driving politics atm, see Germany as an incoming GE.

Head in the sand on this major issue just keeps ramping up voter reaction each year.

@OneAmberFinch good point. And tbf I'm not going to try and lay this at Labour's door, from what I've read this massive increase was a Johnson policy. Anything to make that GDP line go up I guess, no matter how deceptive it is.

Your huge lack of knowledge on this issue has been exposed, and this is all you have left. It’s a bit pathetic really.

Mega lolz.

lolz

Yes 🙌

And c) ignorant.

It sounds a) immature b) impolite

lol. No.

Precisely.

And the conversation about other immigrants need to include the blunt fact that our work, study and family visa schemes are also not selective. You can get a "Skilled Worker" visa to work in a takeaway or a petrol station convenience store. You can get a study visa for a "business college" and never show up to class while renting someone's Deliveroo account. You can sponsor a spouse visa as a British citizen less than 10 years after arriving here. You can get ILR after 5-10 years on any of these visas and be entitled to all the same benefits as someone who grew up here - which is in fact happening, just look at social housing in London.

PP are trying to imply that there are "only 7%" asylum seekers, as if there is nothing to comment about the other 93% and also as if the numbers of all immigration types haven't been rising across the board with no apparent means of control. I've asked several times if anyone would support a numerical cap and got no response. Not even an optimistically high cap that at least could be debated...

I'm guessing so as no answer on this one

Only to always increase

Immigrants on visas get citizenship after a few years. Ask me how I know - I am one!

Wrt the posters who want to keep increasing this number, how high should it be?

Anything below infinity is a far-right dog whistle, I guess.

This is a very tired response, reflecting a real lack of intellectual curiosity and actual engagement with the issues. You are refusing to recognise how the situation has changed.

That study you reference is from 2018, based on data from the 2016/17 financial year, and makes two key assumptions - that migrants will earn around the average UK earnings over the course of their lifetimes, and that they will arrive in the UK around the age of 25.

Those assumptions might have been reasonable back then, but we live in a very different world now. Boris’s reforms to the immigration system, allowing in hundreds of thousands of poorly paid care workers (with no age limit - many are in their forties and fifties), slashing the income requirements for skilled worker visas from £30k to £25,600, and introducing the graduate visa, has transformed our immigration system.

And the reason British people don’t want to work in care homes is that it is extremely difficult and often unpleasant work that is extremely poorly paid. That’s not laziness. If you can make minimum wage working in MacDonalds or working in a care home, why wouldn’t you choose MacDonalds? It’s a far easier job.

If the government was willing to stump up the cash to pay care workers just a little bit more, we would have no recruitment crisis. Instead, we’re undercutting their pay to import middle aged Nigerians, saddling ourselves with their care and health costs in the not so distant future. These poorly paid care workers will be eligible for ILR after 5 years, and at that point can access Universal Credit and social housing - which they’ll definitely be eligible for because they’re so poorly paid!

This is the typical short termist thinking that both Labour and the Tories are guilty of - taking on massive future costs to avoid stumping up just a little bit more cash in the short term.

Please stop saying “lol at you” or even “Massive LOLZ” to posters who have a different view to you. This is supposed to be a grown up forum.

Wrt the posters who want to keep increasing this number, how high should it be?

lol at someone who thinks all non-British immigrants have nothing to add accusing me of snobbery.

I don’t find them culturally objectionable - I’m trying to make clear how ridiculous it is to blame immigrants for all the UK’s issues, then suggest the solution could be emigration.

Don't forget, more than half of UK citizens are net drains on this country - and whilst some have legitimate reasons for this, none of them have the spectre of war and tyranny to blame.

"Also, this isn't a racist post. I would have the exact same concerns if these were white asylum seekers from Germany for example. The worry is the system is being abused by some and that we are a bit too lax when it comes to documentation and monitoring of asylum seekers."

No, you wouldn't. Stop lying.

Previous waves of immigrants have had a positive impact on the UK. I think we should do a better job of helping current day asylum seekers to integrate. ao that they can do the same.

It Is. You simply need to re read the post 🤦‍♀️