What's your thoughts on asylum seekers?

families can only come when asylum is granted, so they are also refugees. They aren’t channel crossers.

Yes that's what my post said that figure didn't include them

The 20k is still incorrect and often stated

Most of the country isn’t ’paved over’. We always had plenty of money to funnel into Tory mates pockets. Maybe they could give it back?

families can only come when asylum is granted, so they are also refugees. They aren’t channel crossers. The bulk of immigration is by conventional, non-asylum means.

Evidence we try to avoid ECHR or have a lower bar for asylum? Or is that just your prejudice showing?

Why do people cite the 20k figure, it's been on many threads and is incorrect

That doesn't include the families mentioned in the pp at 50 per day

Asylum seekers are a drop in the bucket, regardless of which side of that debate you come down on.

Legal immigration is having far more of an effect on this country - maybe we should start with that?

Ok. I will answer you. Since you have absolutely ignored my question about how many asylum seekers you personally know. I have no doubt the answer is none.

1. in the main. Yes. These are different cultures who do things differently. It is not the way we generally do it in Britain, but it is culturally normal for them. There are always exceptions and awful people. But they are the exception in my experience
2. Ever seen the ports in France? France does fuck all for asylum seekers and whilst you might agree with that stop for a minute and think. If YOU were in their situation what would you do? Stop somewhere shit or go a bit further to somewhere it’s (so not!) better?
3. Yes. And I have.

So now YOU answer me. How many asylum seekers do you PERSONALLY know? How many claims have YOU dealt with? How much, if any, personal time or money has it cost YOU?

It'll be over 50k after a full year of 'smash the gangs' Labour.

20,000 asylum seeks arrive by boat each year

Channel migrant arrivals in 2024 totalled 36,816

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y45dmg2pjo#:~:text=Home%20Office%20figures%20released%20on,as%20many%20as%20in%202022.

We're a small island with in the region of 70 million already living here. That's densely populated.

We can't just keep on paving over the countryside to allow millions more in. Or building all kinds of infrastructure projects with money we don't have.

I've been watching footage of what's happening in America. Trump is actually pretty smart. He is delivering rapid action and knows that masses of people will love this and love him for being so strong and making decisions. I watched the ' ICE' teams he deployed to round up all these illegal ' aliens ' yesterday and the footage of them gathering up these' illegal alien criminals'.

It did make me think of the programme ' cops'. I remembered we were sold this idea of these heroes but in reality there's alot of abusive, power hungry, scary Police officers who like the power trip and enjoy battering black people. ( Imo)

Then I thought, how many of these ICE operatives are a bit power hungry, emotionally immature, pretty thick and are just high on a power trip so will make big mistakes, go after the wrong people, not give a shit who is innocent or actually has a valid and acceptable reason to remain etc etc.

I watched border patrols at the wall as part of a documentary. The enforcer was a complete brain dead power hungry emotionally devoid red neck from everything I saw. It doesn't mean there's not a job to be done here but some of these people are scary and their views may spread to all groups they just don't like beyond ' aliens'.

The country is a soft touch though, so it stands to reason most would be granted. And many are granted to avoid the grind of an ECHR claim (or granted on appeal after one).

We take fewer because we have the advantage of a full sea border, but our rates of grants are higher.

If there were a policy to turn away boats and re settle them, there is the probability I could favour that. But I'd need to be sure that we know where they're getting sent to and how exactly is that going to be physically managed.

This can be done under the convention, it's how Aus do it.

Whether the convention lasts is another issue

What questions did you ask @DearDarcy ? They aren’t in the quote history.

I think we need to restrict immigration massively including asylum seekers. We can’t take on the woes of the world. Too many people take and not enough give.

@MikeRafone I need to go re read posts on here so may have missed yours.

Are you someone living in an area with a high influx of asylum seekers and have negative experience of this.

Are you going to reply to any of them or am I the only one that has to answer questions this evening? It’s only polite that you go first seeing as I did ask first …

Oh, right!

Fair point.

I’ll return the favour once mine have been answered, it’s only fair.

Noo, don’t be silly. lol

Well, the next time a poster (or an MP) refers to something from 2010 you can tell them they are being silly.
We have no idea whether those asylum seekers contributed or not, or whether they were working on the black market.

Ignore the right wing press. Asylum seekers are fleeing wars etc. They aren't economic migrants no matter what garage et al say.
They are processed to ascertain this and if they aren't genuine asylum seekers they are sent back.

Politicians!!

Edit - I can't edit my original post but I see now how that reads. No I don't mean asylum seekers who come from all places. To be clear - I don't trust the true ideology and beliefs that these Politicians who are so out of touch with us actually have deep down.

We can't trust the ideology of any of these people sadly

Which people do you mean? Genuinely unsure.

Reform have this in their Policy commitments. Would it be legally impossible even if they were in power? I genuinely don't know the answer.